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    Thread: Mass Confusion About Karma And What It Is


    RaEatsFoodstuffs (Offline)

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    08-26-2020, 02:50 PM (This post was last modified: 08-26-2020, 02:51 PM by RaEatsFoodstuffs.)
    Hello everyone,

    There appears to be a lot of confusion about karma (and that includes me being confused as well) in the spiritual community. I'm hoping people can help clear it up with reference to the Law of One material.

    The common example everyone is familiar with:
    That man was very rude to her, then he tripped and fell on his face. That's karma for you.

    From my understanding, there is no law of karma.....There is the Law of Attraction. What you put out into this world comes back to you. Perhaps these two terms are what cause the confusion? If I put out hate, cheating, and hurting others that will come back to me. If I put out love, that will come back to me. So in other words, the Law of Attraction is a natural balancing law that God put forth in this universe.

    Now Karma appears to occur when the individual is dead. He/she then realizes the mistakes or missteps that he has made in his life, so then that person prepares to reincarnate to ''pay back'' that karma. There is no universal law regarding karma, it occurs on an individual basis.

    Can others elaborate on this? Is this a correct viewpoint?

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    08-26-2020, 03:25 PM
    That would be really cruel for a whole life of karma to be paid/balanced after one's life.

    I believe you can pay your karma, or balance the distortions from said actions, during one's life.

    If one has apparent immediate karma, it is most likely because subconsciously they want to balance right away.
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    08-26-2020, 03:50 PM
    (08-26-2020, 03:25 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: That would be really cruel for a whole life of karma to be paid/balanced after one's life.

    I believe you can pay your karma, or balance the distortions from said actions, during one's life.

    If one has apparent immediate karma, it is most likely because subconsciously they want to balance right away.

    Oh yes, that's something I totally forgot about...that karma can be payed back in this lifetime as well...you don't necessarily have to go into another incarnation.
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    08-26-2020, 04:03 PM
    In terms of the LOO, you are quite right RaEatsFoodStuff, Ra talks much more in terms of balancing.

    Which is also what you see in the books of Michael Newton on past life regressions.. Wink
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    08-26-2020, 06:39 PM
    I believe you're pretty much right about the Laws of Karma not actually existing, RaEatsFoodstuffs. According to Ra (session 22, question 27,) concerning the law of Karma, it is that their understanding is that there is in fact only one law, the Law of One, and that every other law is merely a 'distortion' of that Law.
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    08-26-2020, 08:33 PM (This post was last modified: 08-26-2020, 08:46 PM by Patrick.)
    Quote:34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?

    Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

    There is a lot to meditate on here.  Forgiveness and karma are basically the same thing.  To accumulate karma is to accumulate the desire for punishment, retaliation and mercilessness.

    For example: If someone does something that angers you and so then you feel anger, then sadness and then you heal and basically forget about it. That is forgiveness because you did not keep a hold of the event.

    In this example I believe the other did not even accumulate Karma. So I am not sure that I would equate Karma with the Law of Attraction. I think they work differently but in parallel sometimes. In this example maybe the other will get a feedback from the universe about the anger that was put out even if there was no karma accumulated.
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    08-29-2020, 09:06 AM
    From my understanding, there is no law of karma.....There is the Law of Attraction. What you put out into this world comes back to you. Perhaps these two terms are what cause the confusion? If I put out hate, cheating, and hurting others that will come back to me. If I put out love, that will come back to me. So in other words, the Law of Attraction is a natural balancing law that God put forth in this universe.

    I would like to comment on this, i think it is different i do not whish to confuse you even more but i have a different take on it,
    If you would take the negative path you are loading yourself with what you call karma, the will to cheat hate and hurt others, and comfort themselves with seperation and do not see virtue in others,
    but only in self, and they think they should enslave the other for there own wishes, and they love themselves to balance it out,

    The light does not blink for the dark or the light,

    You just have to make a choise in the great chess game of life, become more what you are unity with all or seperation with all,

    But i do not think god punishes with his law,
    It only tryes to figure out what it is,

    And it allows freedom to all,

    But you have to opose injustice, and follow some rules,
    to ensure joy and freedom in the larger structure of society,

    And this will give you grace and love in your heart,
    Therfore karma is just the great game of the world with all his actors on them, to make choises and hopefully become balanced.

    I hope this claerifies things to you,

    Much love
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    08-29-2020, 10:03 AM
    (08-29-2020, 09:06 AM)MineralWater Wrote: From my understanding, there is no law of karma.....There is the Law of Attraction. What you put out into this world comes back to you. Perhaps these two terms are what cause the confusion? If I put out hate, cheating, and hurting others that will come back to me. If I put out love, that will come back to me. So in other words, the Law of Attraction is a natural balancing law that God put forth in this universe.

    I would like to comment on this, i think it is different i do not whish to confuse you even more but i have a different take on it,
    If you would take the negative path you are loading yourself with what you call karma, the will to cheat hate and hurt others, and comfort themselves with seperation and do not see virtue in others,
    but only in self, and they think they should enslave the other for there own wishes, and they love themselves to balance it out,

    The light does not blink for the dark or the light,

    You just have to make a choise in the great chess game of life, become more what you are unity with all or seperation with all,

    But i do not think god punishes with his law,
    It only tryes to figure out what it is,

    And it allows freedom to all,

    But you have to opose injustice, and follow some rules,
    to ensure joy and freedom in the larger structure of society,

    And this will give you grace and love in your heart,
    Therfore karma is just the great game of the world with all his actors on them, to make choises and hopefully become balanced.

    I hope this claerifies things to you,

    Much love

    If you're quoting Ra, it's actually "The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self."

    From Session 7.15
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    08-29-2020, 11:27 PM
    (08-26-2020, 02:50 PM)RaEatsFoodstuffs Wrote: ...
    From my understanding, there is no law of karma.....There is the Law of Attraction. What you put out into this world comes back to you. Perhaps these two terms are what cause the confusion? If I put out hate, cheating, and hurting others that will come back to me. If I put out love, that will come back to me. So in other words, the Law of Attraction is a natural balancing law that God put forth in this universe.

    Now Karma appears to occur when the individual is dead. He/she then realizes the mistakes or missteps that he has made in his life, so then that person prepares to reincarnate to ''pay back'' that karma. There is no universal law regarding karma, it occurs on an individual basis.

    Can others elaborate on this? Is this a correct viewpoint?

    Henry T. Laurency's elaboration in The Knowledge of Reality:

    Quote:7.8 Karma
    1 The doctrine of karma (the law of sowing and reaping, the law of cause and effect) is, just
    as the doctrine of metempsychosis, common to most Indians. It was inevitable that both
    doctrines (originally esoteric) were distorted by ignorance, since man seems to have an
    incurable tendency to replace missing facts with speculation and to believe blindly, with
    seemingly incorrigible conceitedness, that his vagaries ignorant of life accord with reality.

    2 According to esoterics, the cosmos is a whole governed by law. The process of cosmic
    manifestation goes on in accordance with inflexible laws of matter and energy (laws of
    nature). The laws of life applying to the consciousness aspect also remain inflexibly valid. To
    speak of “suspending laws” is evidence of ignorance. You can free yourself from the effect of
    a lower kind of energy by a higher kind of energy, but you cannot suspend laws, which are
    expressive of forces that act unchangingly.

    3 Nobody can suspend the laws of life applying to consciousness development. But within
    his own little sphere of power every being possesses, according to law of freedom, a certain
    measure of freedom that can be abused.

    4 If man lives in accordance with the laws of life, his development will progress as rapidly
    as possible, without friction, harmoniously, with the highest possible degree of happiness. But
    every mistake as to the laws of life (known or unknown ones) entails consequences calculated
    eventually (the number of incarnations is up to him) to teach the individual to discover the
    laws and apply them right. If he has caused suffering to other beings, he must himself
    experience the same measure of suffering. This is the law of uncompromising justice from
    which no arbitrary grace can free him.

    5 It is part of man’s dharma that he must do all he can to reduce the suffering in the world,
    for all beings and in all circumstances. Those who refuse to help when they can are guilty of
    an omission that has consequences and by no means the least ones.

    6 The Brahmins’ conception of karma as being inevitable destiny, that you “stand in the way
    of karma” by trying to relieve suffering and distress, is evidence of a fatal ignorance of life.
    Nobody can “stand in the way” of a law. If anyone is to suffer, then no power in the world can
    prevent that. The suffering we have caused to others can be made good through voluntary
    “sacrifice” in future lives.

    7 The planetary hierarchy has expressly stated that no man can understand the law of karma
    right. But that does not mean that you should not try to understand it.

    8 The problems of life that the individual has to solve by himself in order to develop recur in
    life after life until they have been solved right. The law of self-realization is an inflexible law,
    which says that the individual must in all kingdoms, whether planetary or cosmic ones,
    acquire by himself all the qualities and abilities necessary to continue his development in the
    next higher kingdom.

    -> https://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr7.pdf
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    08-30-2020, 12:18 PM
    10.3

    QUESTIONER And have any of the Maldek entities transformed now? Are they now still second-density, or are they forming some third-density planet now?

    R A The consciousness of these entities has always been third-density. The alleviation mechanism was designed by the placement of this consciousness in second-dimensional physical chemical complexes which are not able to be dexterous or manipulative to the extent which is appropriate to the workings of the third-density distortions of the mind complex.

    10.4

    QUESTIONER Well, have any of these entities moved on now, made a, shall we say, graduation at the end of a seventy-five thousand year cycle and gotten out of the second-density body into third-density-type bodies?

    R A I am Ra. Many of these entities were able to remove the accumulation of what you call karma, thus being able to accept a third-density cycle within a third-density body. Most of those beings so succeeding have incarnated elsewhere in the creation for the succeeding cycle in third density. As this planet reached third density, some few of these entities became able to join the vibration of this sphere in the third-density form. There remain a few who have not yet alleviated, through the mind/body/spirit coordination of distortions, the previous action taken by them. Therefore, they remain.

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    08-30-2020, 12:47 PM
    Are there really Lords of Karma?

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    08-30-2020, 07:14 PM (This post was last modified: 08-30-2020, 07:42 PM by moyal.)
    (08-30-2020, 12:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Are there really Lords of Karma?

    ...
    6 The Philosophers’ Stone by Laurency gives a more detailed account of the different stages
    of development.

    7 The number of individuals counted among our planet’s mankind, causalized here or
    transferred hither, amounts to some 60 thousand million. They are in the physical, emotional,
    mental, and causal worlds of our planet, most of them asleep in their causal envelopes – since
    they have no possibility of causal consciousness – pending a new incarnation.

    8 The passing of these monads from the animal to the human kingdom occurred in five
    different epochs, the last one some 18 million years ago, the individuals of the four earlier
    epochs being transferred later from another planet. The causal envelopes of men thus are of
    widely different ages, which fact explains the different stages of development. Those who
    have reached the highest stage have some 150,000 incarnations behind them, those at the
    lowest some 30,000. In this connection one ought to consider the fact that the capacity of
    consciousness is doubled in each higher molecular kind, so that the numbers of incarnations
    cannot themselves be compared in this respect.

    9 The Western declaration that “god created all men equal” thus is as great an error as the
    fiction of the Indian philosophers that “all are gods”. God cannot create a single monad, only
    give the monads the opportunity of being introduced into cosmic manifestation. Certainly,
    some time all monads will attain the highest divine stage, but before that they will have to be
    involved down to the physical world, and after that to mount the seemingly endless
    graduation of developmental levels from the mineral kingdom to the highest divine kingdom.

    10 It should be obvious from the above that men’s moral judgements of each other are the
    criticisms of ignorance and the unjustified verdicts of hatred. Men are neither good nor evil.
    They are on a certain level of development and know no better. To this must be added the
    effects of the law of destiny and the law of reaping. To understand this it is also important to
    know that during times of upheaval, the clans at the highest stages do not incarnate to any
    great extent. Of those incarnated at present, more than 85 per cent are at the lowest two
    stages. Most of the remaining 15 per cent are of the unobtrusive, quiet kind of people. Unless
    they have been given special tasks, they incarnate chiefly in those countries where they have
    the best prospects of finding others on the same level. Those at the stage of humanity who
    have not had the opportunity to study esoterics feel themselves outsiders, not understanding
    why, and put the blame for this upon themselves. This is, regrettable, the rule. They were once
    initiates and thereafter have remained seekers after the “lost word of the master” (esoterics).
    They have the knowledge as an instinct, not knowing its cause, and thus they are uncertain.

    11 In the physical world man is an organism with an etheric envelope. He has two kinds of
    physical consciousness. The sense perceptions of the organism allow him to apprehend
    objectively the material forms in the lowest three molecular kinds. The vibrations in the
    molecular kinds of the etheric envelope are still apprehended only subjectively by most
    people. Visible realities are the only ones man knows of and they are for him the only real
    ones. He takes his feelings and thoughts to be just subjective apprehensions, having no idea of
    the fact that they correspond to vibrations in the molecular kinds of higher worlds. He knows
    nothing of his higher envelopes, being quite unaware of the fact that when he experiences
    feelings it is his attention (the monad) moving to his emotional envelope, and when he is
    thinking it is the monad moving to his mental envelope. He does not know that he is a monad
    in a causal envelope.

    12 The individual at the stage of barbarism as a physical self only, without emotional and
    mental consciousness worth mentioning, belongs to the very lowest levels of the stage of
    barbarism. Immediately after causalization he is little more than an animal, often not even that
    intelligent. His life in the emotional world between incarnations is of very short duration. He
    soon lapses into dreamless sleep in his causal envelope, being incapable of employing the
    consciousness of his mental envelope. On the higher levels of the stage of barbarism, his
    mental consciousness is activated to the extent that he is able to draw simple conclusions.

    13 As an emotional self (at the stages of civilization and culture), the individual is in his
    thought and action determined by emotional motives. The emotional stage is the most difficult
    stage of development. At this stage man must by himself acquire consciousness in all six
    molecular kinds of his emotional envelope and in the lowest two molecular kinds of his
    mental envelope. To the emotional stage belongs almost everything that man today regards as
    civilization and culture.

    14 The emotional stage is divided into the two stages of civilization and culture, each of
    which presents a great number of levels.

    15 The emotional consciousness of the civilizational individual seldom extends beyond the
    lower three or four molecular kinds, his mental consciousness seldom beyond the lowest two.
    With this modest intellectual capacity he intellectualizes his desires into such feelings as
    normally exist in the lower regions of the emotional world. Generally, they are of the
    repulsive kind.

    16 At the stage of culture the three higher molecular kinds of the emotional envelope are
    activated. The pertaining vibrations in the emotional world are mainly attractive. Having once
    attained these regions, the individual can gradually free himself from the tendency, since long
    acquired, to a repulsive attitude to the surrounding world and to himself. His feelings become
    more and more ennobled on each higher level and supersede his previous receptivity to the
    countless expressions of hatred of the repulsive vibrations. For everything that is not love is
    hatred.

    17 On the highest cultural levels, the individual becomes a mystic. In the domains of
    emotional consciousness that he has now reached, he no longer has any use for his
    intellectuality as acquired up to now. Frequently in states of ecstasy he experiences the unity
    of life past all understanding. His imagination, which develops powerfully, makes him lose
    himself in seeming infinitude. His emotional development is terminated and crowned by an
    incarnation as a saint. In subsequent incarnations he strives to become a mental self.

    18 The mental stage is divided into the stages of humanity and ideality (or the causal stage).
    The humanist activates consciousness in the lower four mental molecular kinds, the idealist in
    all six. The humanist is a mental self, the idealist a causal self.

    19 The most distinctive trait of the humanist is his striving after common sense, a
    prerequisite of the acquisition of causal intuition. He can no longer, like the mystic, lose
    himself in the ineffable, but demands above all clarity in everything and facts for everything.
    His indomitable will to comprehend reality and understand life, despite everything, compels
    him always to seek further. The ever longer periods spent in the mental world between
    incarnations, during which time he can work up his ideas undisturbed, re-act upon this
    endeavour of his. He becomes more and more receptive to the inspirations of his elder
    brothers in the fifth natural kingdom. When he has come to the Sokratean realization that man
    cannot know anything worth knowing, he is ready to receive the esoteric knowledge.

    20 In the old days, he would then have been chosen to be initiated into some secret
    knowledge order. Nowadays he is given the knowledge in a mental system of the fundamental
    facts of existence which his reason compels him to accept as the only tenable working
    hypothesis. Using the knowledge gained, it is possible for him to activate ever higher kinds of
    consciousness, until, one day, the world of intuition opens up before him and he becomes able
    to ascertain facts about reality and life by himself, as well as to study his previous
    incarnations as a man.

    21 Then he also sees how hopeless it is for man with his insufficient means to acquire this
    knowledge, how almost impossible it is for most people even to grasp it. Starting from their
    own petty belief system or thought system, they imagine themselves able to judge everything
    by this. He sees that man’s life of consciousness, apart from ascertaining facts in the visible
    physical world, consists of emotional illusions and mental fictions. He sees, too, how futile it
    is to do what Platon did, to hint at the existence of a world of ideals. Now he knows that it
    exists.

    22 As a causal self he acquires knowledge of the laws of life and the ability to make rational
    use of this knowledge with one-pointed purpose. He sees that the mistakes of ignorance as to
    these laws are no crimes against the deity, that all the good and evil that man meets with are his
    own work.

    23 He gets into communication with those in higher kingdoms and receives from them the
    further facts he needs but cannot ascertain for himself. He gradually acquires the twelve
    essential qualities which make it possible for him to pass to the fifth natural kingdom. These
    are enumerated in the esoteric account of the twelve labours of Herakles (Hercules), which
    have been totally distorted in the exoteric legend.

    24 Man’s five envelopes all have their own consciousnesses and their own tendencies. Those
    of the organism are inherited from one’s parents. The qualities and abilities, etc. that the self
    acquires in its emotional and mental envelopes have their correspondences in a cluster of
    atoms (Sanskrit: skandhas), are preserved by the causal envelope, and used at reincarnation. It
    is the task of the self to learn to master its envelopes, so that they submit to its will. This is no
    easy task, since the tendencies of the envelopes are the results of habits from thousands of
    incarnations. At mankind’s present stage of development, the emotional controls the physical.
    Man still has to learn to control the emotional by the mental. And more than good resolutions
    is needed to do that. It can take many lives once one has seen the need for it.

    25 When the individual leaves his worn-out organism with its etheric envelope, he goes on
    living in his emotional envelope and, when this is dissolved, in his mental envelope, and when
    this too is dissolved, he waits, asleep in his causal envelope, to be reborn into the physical
    world, which is incomparably the most important, since it is in this world that all human
    qualities must be acquired, and it is only in this world that he has the possibility of freeing
    himself from emotional illusions and mental fictions. Life between incarnations is a period of
    rest in which man does not learn anything new. The sooner the self can free itself from its
    envelopes of incarnation, the quicker it develops.

    26 At the same time as the etheric envelope frees itself from the organism in the so-called
    process of death, the emotional envelope frees itself from the etheric envelope which remains
    near the organism and dissolves along with it.

    27 Man’s life in the emotional world can prove completely different for different individuals,
    depending on their levels of development.

    28 Like the physical world, the emotional world has six successively higher regions. Most
    people are nowadays objectively conscious from the beginning in the three regions that
    correspond to the lower three regions of the physical world. (Mental consciousness, however,
    remains subjective.) Objects in those regions are material counterparts of the material forms of
    the physical world, which fact often causes the newcomer to think that he still lives in the
    physical world. During this first period, the individual can also associate with his friends in the
    physical world when they are asleep. Without esoteric knowledge he believes, like everybody
    else, that the highest region in this new world of his is “heaven and his final destination in
    eternity”.

    29 The emotional envelope dissolves gradually: first its lowest molecular kind, then the
    lowest but one, etc. When the lowest three have dissolved it is not possible for the individual
    to contact the visible physical world. There are those who already in the process of physical
    death are able to free themselves from the lower three molecular kinds of their emotional
    envelope.

    30 In the three higher regions of the emotional world, the existing material forms are
    imaginative creations made by the individuals in those regions. For emotional matter forms
    itself in accordance with the slightest hint from consciousness, the ignorant neither
    understanding the cause nor being able to grasp how it happened. The individual seldom
    learns anything really new while in the emotional world, and in the mental world never.

    31 The life of the emotional envelope can vary as greatly as that of the organism.

    32 After the dissolution of the emotional envelope, the individual in his mental envelope
    leads a life of thought that is absolutely subjective, not suspecting the impossibility of
    apprehending objective reality in this world. But apprehension of reality, bliss, and perfection,
    omniscience and omnipotence are absolute. All his fantasies become absolute realities to him.
    Everything he wishes is instantly there and all his friends, all the “great ones” of mankind, are
    with him, all equally perfect.

    33 The independent life of the mental envelope can vary from a minute or so (in the case of
    the barbarian) to thousands of years. It all depends on how many ideas the individual has
    collected during physical life and how vital they are. Platon is said to have material to work
    up for ten thousand years.

    34 Upon the dissolution of the mental envelope, the individual in his causal envelope sinks
    into dreamless sleep that will last until the time comes for rebirth and an embryo has been
    formed for him in a physical maternal body. He awakens with a desire for a new life and
    forms instinctively, by means of his causal envelope, new mental and emotional envelopes,
    these being the necessary communication links. It will be the task of the growing child to use
    its latent qualities to develop the ability of consciousness in them.

    35 There can be no conscious causal life unless the intuition of the causal ideas has been
    acquired in physical existence. (It is, besides, in the physical that everything must be
    acquired.) The monad’s continuity of consciousness, made possible through the memory in its
    envelopes of incarnation now dissolved, has been lost. The causal envelope, however,
    preserves the memory of all the human incarnations and of the experiences had, of insight and
    understanding gained, of qualities and abilities acquired. Everything is there as rudiments in
    new incarnations. How much, or rather, how little of it all will be actualized anew, depends on
    the individual’s new opportunities of remembering anew and developing his latent qualities.

    1.35 The Fifth Natural Kingdom

    1 Only those individuals who have attained the highest cosmic world have absolute (one
    hundred per cent) knowledge of the whole cosmos and of the three aspects (matter, motion,
    and consciousness).

    2 Just as men must receive knowledge of higher worlds from individuals in the fifth natural
    kingdom, so the latter in their turn must receive knowledge of still higher worlds and of
    existence in its entirety from individuals in the sixth natural kingdom, etc. throughout the
    series of ever higher kingdoms. But all receive only the knowledge necessary for them to
    understand reality, to develop further, which they cannot acquire by themselves. All
    individuals in higher kingdoms are researchers in their worlds and have to acquire their own
    knowledge of everything in these and learn to apply without friction the knowledge of those
    laws of nature and of life which are constant in their worlds.

    3 By essentializing the causal self acquires an envelope of essential (46) matter and, in so
    doing, passes from the fourth to the fifth natural kingdom.

    4 The fifth natural kingdom consists partly of 46-selves (essential selves) with envelopes and
    consciousness in the planetary essential world, partly of 45-selves with envelopes and
    consciousness in the solar systemic superessential world.

    5 The consciousness of the essential envelope is that of unity. The individual knows that he
    is his own self having a self-identity that can never be lost, but also a larger self together with
    all the monads in the five natural kingdoms and, when he so desires, he experiences others’
    consciousness as his own. “The drop-consciousness has become one with the oceanconsciousness.”
    “The union with god” is the self’s acquisition of the consciousness of unity.

    6 In the atoms of all the lower worlds (47–49) there are essential atoms having passive
    consciousness, which can be activated by vibrations from without (god immanent). It is only
    at the higher emotional stage that the individual is sufficiently developed to be able to
    perceive these vibrations some time at all.

    7 In the secret knowledge order of the gnosticians, the 46-consciousness was called the
    “son”, or “Christos”, and the 43-consciousness the “father”, or the “great carpenter”.

    8 The 46-self is omniscient in worlds 46–49. Omniscience does not mean that the individual
    knows everything about everything, but that he is able, when need be, quickly to find out
    anything he wants to know in his worlds, independently of space and past time.

    9 Only essential consciousness can become conscious in the physical, emotional, and mental
    atoms. Before it is acquired, subatomic molecular consciousness is the highest kind of
    consciousness in the different worlds. After it has acquired these kinds of atomic
    consciousness, the monad can identify itself with the total consciousness of these worlds and
    their unadulterated memories of past time.

    10 As an essential self, the individual has to acquire by himself through his own research
    complete knowledge of everything of importance in the worlds of man (47–49).

    11 Essential monads form a collective being of their own having a common total
    consciousness.

    12 The essential self does not need to incarnate further, since he has no more to learn in the
    kingdom of man. He often does incarnate, however, in order by all means and by personal
    contact to help those preparing for their entrance into the higher kingdom. All the thanks he
    may reckon on are to be misunderstood, abused, and persecuted, especially by those who,
    with their habitually conceited overestimation of themselves, consider themselves ready, but
    fail in the tests which they unwittingly undergo.

    13 When mankind has come to see its almost total ignorance of life and its inability to solve
    the problems and to guide development, even 45-selves and still higher avatars will be
    prepared to incarnate, provided their help is called for by an appreciable percentage of
    mankind. To do so before that would be a meaningless sacrifice.

    14 The essential self’s task as regards himself is not only to relearn in all respects, but also
    gradually to acquire consciousness in the six molecular kinds of its envelope, in this replacing
    the lower with the higher, until the envelope consists exclusively of essential atomic matter.
    When this has been achieved, the individual begins a corresponding process of activation and
    consciousness in the 45-world in order to become a 45-self.

    15 The superessential self is constantly experiencing anew that lower worlds’ light is higher
    worlds’ darkness, not only literally, but also symbolically. As regards consciousness, a 45-self
    is to a man as a man is to a plant.

    16 In some esoteric books, essentiality is called “love and wisdom”, and superessentiality
    “will”. Such terms are misleading, to say the least of it. The inability to find new terms is
    remarkable considering that the least technical novelty can have one of its own.

    17 To use the word “love” of essentiality and at the same time to say that man does not know
    what love is, affords no clarity. But the confusion of ideas is so much greater, so that people at
    once are ready to aver that man is incapable of love. Human love is attraction (physical,
    emotional, and mental). Regrettably, it can turn into repulsion if it is not genuine. For essential
    consciousness there is neither attraction nor repulsion, only inseparable unity with all, will to
    unity.

    18 The term “will” as applied to superessentiality is equally hopeless. At the most, it can
    have its old philosophic meaning: will is the relation of consciousness to a purpose. But that
    is, to be sure, meagre information.

    19 A suitable term for
    46-consciousness: world consciousness
    45-consciousness: planetary consciousness
    44-consciousness: interplanetary consciousness
    43-consciousness: solar systemic consciousness

    20 The essential self knows that the Law is inflexible and inevitably just, that life is divine,
    and that all monads are indestructible. It knows that life is happiness and that suffering exists
    only in the three lower molecular kinds of the physical and emotional worlds (49:5-7; 48:5-7),
    and then only as bad reaping from bad sowing.

    1.36 The Sixth Natural Kingdom, or The First Divine Kingdom

    1 The lowest divine kingdom (also called the manifestal kingdom) is made up of those
    individuals who have acquired envelopes and consciousness in the two highest systemic
    worlds (43 and 44). They have at their disposal the two highest collective consciousnesses of
    the solar system. They are omniscient in the solar system, independent of space in that globe
    and its past time. One realizes that they have complete mastery of the matter and motion
    aspects and of the Law within worlds 43–49.

    1.37 The Cosmic Kingdoms

    1 What we know about these six successively higher divine kingdoms in the 42 higher
    atomic worlds is that they exist, that they constitute a perfect cosmic organization working
    with unfailing precision in accordance with all existence’s laws of nature and laws of life.

    2 In the cosmos, the individual does not acquire any envelopes of his own. He succeeds to
    some higher function and, finally, to the highest in his world with its collective consciousness,
    and identifies himself with this world as his own envelope.

    3 The individuals of the second divine kingdom aspire towards omniscience in worlds 36–42
    (only now “cosmic consciousness”), those of the third divine kingdom towards omniscience
    in worlds 29–35, etc.

    4 Those who have attained the highest world have freed themselves from all involvation into
    matter and as free monads (primordial atoms) have come to know themselves as the ultimate
    selves they have always been. Their auras are like cosmic giant suns and they radiate energy
    like the fountainhead of all power.

    5 They can, if they so wish, withdraw with a collective from out of their cosmos and begin
    building a new cosmos in the endless chaos of primordial matter.

    1.38 The Planetary Hierarchy

    1 The individuals of the fifth and sixth natural kingdoms constitute the hierarchy of our
    planet, which has acquired atomic consciousness in the planetary worlds 46 and 45 as well as
    44 and 43.

    2 The hierarchy is divided into seven departments. Each department works with its
    specialized energy that functions in accordance with the solar systemic law of periodicity.

    3 The hierarchy supervises evolution in the lower kingdoms. It takes an especial interest in
    those at the stage of humanity who with one-pointed purpose seek to acquire the twelve
    essential qualities in order the better to serve life. In so doing they qualify for the fifth
    kingdom.

    1.39 The Planetary Government

    1 Into the planetary government can enter individuals who have attained the second divine
    kingdom. The head of the planetary government belongs to the third kingdom.

    2 Like all governments in still higher kingdoms, the planetary government is divided into
    three main departments dealing with the three fundamental functions concerning the aspects
    of matter, motion, and consciousness. They have the ultimate responsibility that all the
    pertaining processes of nature work with unfailing precision. They see to it that all receive
    what they need for their consciousness development and that implacable justice is done to all
    in accordance with the law of sowing and reaping.

    3 In their contacts with men, the gods assume human ideal shapes, permanent envelopes of
    physical atomic matter, also to anchor their physical consciousness, envelopes which can
    easily be made visible to all.

    1.40 The Solar Systemic Government

    1 To enter into the solar systemic government it is necessary to have attained the third divine
    kingdom. It supervises, of course, everything in the solar system, receives directions from
    higher governments and gives directions to the planetary governments.

    2 It also transmits knowledge received concerning the cosmos and the Law to the extent that
    this is necessary to the fulfilment of the functions.

    3 The law of self-realization is valid in all kingdoms and all individuals have to explore their
    worlds by their respective means, and learn to apply the knowledge and insight gained.

    1.41 THE LAW

    1 The Law is the sum total of all the laws of nature and of life: the constant relations of
    matter, motion, and consciousness – expressive of the nature of primordial matter and of
    omnipotent, inexhaustible, eternally dynamic primordial force, acting in its blind way in the
    imperturbable and inevitable constant relations of nature and life.

    2 Of this Law, science has not yet explored more than an infinitesimal fraction.

    3 There are laws in everything and everything is expressive of law. The gods themselves are
    subject to the Law. Omnipotence is possible only through absolutely faultless application of
    the laws in their entirety.

    4 In primordial matter (the chaos of the ancients) there are no laws manifest. They only
    appear in connection with the compositions of the atoms in the cosmos.

    5 The further the limits of subjective and objective consciousness are extended, the more
    laws are discovered. Only the monads of the highest divine kingdom have knowledge of all
    the laws of the universe and are able to apply them correctly with unfailing precision.

    6 Laws of nature concern matter and motion; laws of life concern the consciousness aspect.

    7 The laws of life most important to mankind are the laws of freedom, unity, development,
    self (self-realization), destiny, reaping, and activation.

    8 The law of freedom says that every monad is its own freedom and its own law, that
    freedom is gained by law, that freedom is the right to individual character and activity within
    the limits of the equal right of all. (Curiosity as to the consciousness life of others is a serious
    mistake.)

    9 The law of unity says that all monads make up a unity and that every monad for
    superindividual consciousness expansion must realize its unity with all life.

    10 The law of development says that all monads develop their consciousness, that there are
    forces acting in different ways towards the final goal of life.

    11 The law of self says that every monad must itself acquire all the qualities and abilities
    requisite for omniscience and omnipotence, from the human kingdom onwards: understanding
    of laws and the responsibility following upon this.

    12 The law of destiny indicates what forces influence the individual in consideration of
    necessary experiences.

    13 The law of reaping says that all the good and evil we have initiated in thoughts, feelings,
    words, and deeds are returned to us with the same effect. Every consciousness expression has
    an effect in manifold ways and entails good or bad sowing which will ripen and be reaped
    some time.

    14 The law of activation says that individual development is possible only through selfinitiated consciousness activity.

    15 A more detailed account of the laws of life is given in The Philosophers’ Stone by
    Laurency. Those most important for the individual are: the laws of freedom, unity, self, and
    activation – especially the first two.

    16 The laws of life make possible the greatest possible freedom and unerring justice for all.
    Freedom, or power, is the individual’s divine, inalienable right. It is acquired through
    knowledge of the Law and through unfailing application of the laws. Freedom (power) and
    law are the conditions for each other. Development implies activity applied with finality in
    accordance with the Law. Otherwise the cosmos would degenerate into chaos.

    17 In monads of repulsive basic tendency, development can take the wrong course, this
    becoming manifest already in parasitism of plant life and in predacity of animal (and human)
    life. Unconscious and, to a still higher degree, conscious encroachment upon the monad’s
    eternally inalienable, inviolable divine freedom, limited by the equal right of all life, results in
    the struggle for existence and the cruelty of life.

    18 Life is joy, happiness, bliss in the mental and all higher worlds. Suffering is found only in
    the three lower regions of the physical and emotional worlds.

    19 Evil is all mistakes as to the Law, especially the repulsive tendency (hatred) in all its
    innumerable forms.

    20 All good and evil that befalls the individual is his own work, the result of his own
    application of his limited conception of right and wrong. All reap what they have sown in
    previous lives and often in the same life. Nothing can happen to the individual which he has
    not deserved by defying the Law.

    21 “Human dual nature” appears in the conflict between man’s “higher and lower self”,
    between the inevitable causal ideals of causal consciousness, which ideals the individual will
    be able to realize sooner or later, and “imperfect personality” in the incarnation envelopes (the
    qualities that the monad has acquired at the lower stages). It is part of the complete experience
    of life that the self will eventually have had every bad quality and reaped the consequences.

    22 Man learns, though incredibly slowly, from his own experiences and by reaping what he
    has sown. Man goes on incarnating until he has learnt all he is to learn and reaped unto the
    last grain what he has sown. The higher the stage of development a being has attained, the
    greater the effect of its mistakes as to the Law, and the greater the effect of the wrong done to
    it. Injustice in any respect whatsoever is absolutely precluded, and the talk about it is a
    manner of speech of the ignorant and envious.

    23 Ignorance, lawlessness, sovereign arbitrariness go together. According as man attains ever
    higher levels, he sees the necessity and finality of law, tries to gain knowledge of laws of
    nature and of life, and also strives to acquire the ability of rationally applying what he knows.
    When he can do this, man is not only learned but also wise.

    24 I gnorance thinks that it can be lawless, refuse to gain knowledge of laws of nature and
    laws of life and apply them correctly. Nature’s law of cause and effect, life’s law of sowing
    and reaping, gradually teaches the ignorant and the most defiant to life, by means of
    innumerable painful experiences, what is rational and necessary. The ignorant must be taught
    the inevitability of law, and the unwilling not to encroach on the equal right of all.

    25 All moralists (“Pharisees” of the Gospels) infringe the laws of freedom and unity by their
    constant violations of the individual’s personal inviolability (their slanderousness,
    domineering attitudes, intrusion into the sanctity of privacy). The individual has life’s divine
    right to be what he is, with all his failings, faults, and vices; to think, to feel, to say, and to do
    what he sees fit, as long as he does not thereby infringe the equal right of others to that same
    inviolable freedom.

    26 At mankind’s present stage of development, understanding of the individual’s right to
    absolute integrity is lacking. How others lead their lives is not our concern, and all
    judgements are great mistakes. At least the so-called esotericians should understand this, but
    it will apparently be some time before they have learnt not to meddle in other people’s
    business. It is part of the ability to be silent.

    27 Human legal and social systems will continually be changed, until the finally elaborated
    legal system agrees with the laws of life, the development and goal of life.

    -> https://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr1.pdf
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    I have viewed Karma very simply after reading the Law of One. There is no such thing as good or bad Karma, there is only Karma, and it does come back to you, or rather, weighs you down. You accumulate Karma when you violate the free will of other-selves. This could be as harsh as enslaving or killing someone, a clear violation of their will, or as benign as hurting someones feelings (they did not want their feelings hurt). The turning wheel of action known as Karma can be broken through forgiveness of the self and other-selves, though one must be able to consciously recognize that they made such a violation. Just my thoughts.
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    08-31-2020, 06:31 PM
    (08-30-2020, 07:14 PM)moyal Wrote:
    (08-30-2020, 12:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Are there really Lords of Karma?
    ...
    18 Life is joy, happiness, bliss in the mental and all higher worlds. Suffering is found only in
    the three lower regions of the physical and emotional worlds.

    19 Evil is all mistakes as to the Law, especially the repulsive tendency (hatred) in all its
    innumerable forms.

    20 All good and evil that befalls the individual is his own work, the result of his own
    application of his limited conception of right and wrong. All reap what they have sown in
    previous lives and often in the same life. Nothing can happen to the individual which he has
    not deserved by defying the Law.
    ...
    -> https://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr1.pdf

    Very interesting.  I wonder if this means that the Orion group needs volunteers to become slaves?  If all evil is our own personal fault.  We can then only become their slaves or be subjected to their evil effects if we did something wrong first.  And, well, I can't imagine an entity never doing anything wrong while they evolve.  So all can always be a target of Orion, because they are the Lord of Karma coming to get us ?  And that is basically our own doing?

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    08-31-2020, 10:42 PM (This post was last modified: 08-31-2020, 10:58 PM by Kaziel.)
    "Very interesting.  I wonder if this means that the Orion group needs volunteers to become slaves?  If all evil is our own personal fault.  We can then only become their slaves or be subjected to their evil effects if we did something wrong first.  And, well, I can't imagine an entity never doing anything wrong while they evolve.  So all can always be a target of Orion, because they are the Lord of Karma coming to get us ?  And that is basically our own doing?"


    Orion enslaves by manipulating free will. They target those who desire service-to-self and impart them with "wisdom". Orion, in league with STS incarnate humans, manufactures and manipulates the world in which we live. They create the rules to the game, a game which we all play. Though, one can opt out of the game at any point, if they so desire.

    Consider our modern society, with all of its amenities. We have all of this technology, smartphones, televisions, non-stop media consumption, we seek money for status and comfort. We are very literally programmed to live this way by the controllers. Such a lifestyle is something that we are all born into, but it is inherently optional. It is enslavement by choice, wherein any alternative choice is made exceedingly difficult. Many people could not fathom living outside of the game. One does simply not opt out of such a system without consequences of a sort. This is why you do not see many people simply remove themselves from society to go live off of the land.

    Interestingly, since a free will choice is made on a subconscious societal level to play this game, Orion does not actually violate universal free will, and they do not accumulate "karma" by simply providing us a game to play. Of course, a STS path does not lead to intelligent infinity, and they are eventually cut off from god-source energy. This is why they must enslave planets, to live off of harvested energy. It has been said that every planet with a financial system is a prison.

    I can say that I Love the Orion, but with a heavy heart I cannot lovingly accept everything that they have to offer, namely, manipulation and enslavement. I still play their game, I live in this society, but I do not always enjoy it. I also do not enjoy Orion attacks on my energy field, and cannot accept the punishment which they wish to give. It is hard not to feel bad that they have strayed so far from the creator and must rely on other-selves for survival. I hope that they may find peace and love for other selves eventually.
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    08-31-2020, 10:56 PM (This post was last modified: 08-31-2020, 10:57 PM by Kaziel.)
    Still getting used to forum formating.
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    09-01-2020, 01:37 AM
    (08-31-2020, 10:56 PM)Kaziel Wrote: Still getting used to forum formating.

    lol , I think you are doing pretty great Kasiel, BigSmile
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    09-01-2020, 07:18 AM
    Yes, a monetary system is clearly a tool of willing enslavement. For the greater part of my life I have been advocating for a money less system. But people simply cannot imagine it. I have even been told that poverty needs to exist otherwise they could not be better off.

    Anyway, personally I do not have anything to complain about in this current incarnation. I just wish and believe that all could have abundance of everything as well.
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    09-01-2020, 01:19 PM
    Yes, me as well, and I studied economics in university, haha! Doesn't money just feel service-to-self? I do not mean to complain, money is just perhaps my least favorite thing. Anyways, if we all turned off our programming and opted out of the game, then the controllers would have absolutely no control here. Interesting that.
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    09-08-2020, 09:57 AM
    The Tarot cards can teach about karma and how it works.

    First, we must look at Key XI—Justice. It is attributed the Hebrew letter Lamed ל. As a verb, Lamed means “to teach, to instruct.” As a noun, it signifies an “ox-goad.” The ox is represented in Hebrew by the letter Aleph א, which is attributed to Key 0–The Fool. Therefore, “Lamed stands for that which guides the manifestation of the cosmic power represented in Tarot by the Fool.

    There is nothing but the Creator, I.e. this cosmic power. Nothing is outside of it to push it into motion and direct itself. Therefore, the letter Lamed stands for something within us that urges and drives us, an inward capacity for self-direction.

    The basic meaning of Karma is work or action. This is also what it’s function is as described in the Sefir Yetzirah, the Book of Formation.

    Justice signifies the active administration of cosmic law. Libra is the zodiac sign attributes to this card, and therefore represents balance, poise, equilibrium.

    I’ll quote an explanation from Paul Foster Case’s book The Tarot:
    Quote:The general meaning of Key 11 is that education (ox-goad) has equilibration for its aim. It requires, therefore, the elimination of useless; outworn forms (sword, and attribution of Libra to the kidneys). Education is completed by action and work. Merely hearing the word, or reading, is not true education. Action is required, and action is motivated by subconscious response to self-conscious observation and concentration.

    Psychologically, this picture illustrates the law of poise and self-direction. A balanced personality is faithful, constant and confident, because right use of reason has established enduring certainty as to the just outcome of all activities. For a practical occultist this card signifies: (1) You really know only when you have acted; (2) Equilibration, mental and physical, demands the elimination of waste, the getting rid of “excess baggage.”

    Hope this sheds some light on what karma is.
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    09-08-2020, 02:53 PM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2020, 06:23 PM by flofrog.)
    This is so interesting Nau... about action.

    At one time, many many years ago I did some therapy for about five months, due to a difficult relationship with my spouse. The person who helped me was a psychiatrist, quite old, and quite wise.
    He told me this story. When he was doing his medical inter ship with the goal towards psychiatry, he was invited with a group of other interns to attend a meeting with a couple who had just lost a baby at the age of six months. They were in a small conference room, and the mother was invited first to tell her account of the first months of her child. She did so and sat down. Then her husband started his own account and after the first two sentences, he broke into sobs. He couldn’t finish at all his recount of the life of his baby. The couple exited the room, and the interns were invited to discuss. The conclusion was that the mother had from day one taken care of the baby, fed and changed him and had been hands on during his sickness to the end. Because she had done that, and her husband had not, due to his going on to office and work, she had been following through, given love and accompanied to the end, and was able to grieve and heal. Her husband had not lived through the same process.

    After telling me this, this psychiatrist told me, it’s really interesting flo, I have had numerous patients with deep issues, quite often heartbreaking. I noticed several times the following thing. The ones, even though in deep depression, once they engaged into action, these sometimes deep depressions often seemed to like evaporate. The case is often that there is one central issue requiring action on which they often seem not to have been able, sometimes for a long period, been able to choose and make a change through action.

    This psychiatrist was a very old and kind person. This was way way before I got to encounter the LOO, but when I did, I remembered his words, when I started to read about polarisation and catalyst.
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    09-09-2020, 08:50 AM
    Very interesting flo! I definitely think it’s related to karma. So with these examples, I think karma, the law of cause and consequence, operates in nuanced and subtle ways. The purpose of the imbalance to find the balance. Since no action has been taken, the catalyst has not been used or processed. These issues will continue to arise in order for us to balance them and achieve a greater integration and harmony of our minds, bodies, and spirits.
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