small question on linear time

[flofrog]

hello everyone,

I have this little question. For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific lessons, you could in fact plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance. But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin, I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of 'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

[Navaratna]

Why would you want to incarnate back in time?

The past is past.
It's all interwoven but I don't think there's a lot to gain from going back.

[fwperspective]

I feel like there's got to be some missing info/understanding regarding time travel.

Like- there is a reason things happen in a linear way. Plants don't grow backwards- etc.

[AnthroHeart]

flofrog,

Because you have been so nice to me, I asked Metatron (who I can channel) to answer.

May this provide some answers:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OSJMU7o...sp=sharing

It is kind of in line with my own understanding. I am always growing.

[Navaratna]

I feel like there's got to be some missing info/understanding regarding time travel.

Like- there is a reason things happen in a linear way. Plants don't grow backwards- etc.

It's all patterns of connectivity and disconnection. The patterns of connectivity between everything is speeding up.

[Diana]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Linear time, as far as I comprehend it, is a construct we use here in 3D, and upon reflection, it would have to be in order to maintain the veil. But that doesn't mean things aren't happening simultaneously in the bigger picture, rather like an evolving soup. In this way, I think the "past" can be affected as well as the "future."

So if, for example, we look at an individual who is incarnate now, and "was" in the middle ages, I think each life may affect the other life, irregardless of linear time, as the bigger picture is not limited by this construct. The middle ages life may render the current life with certain learned talents or fears; and the current life may also affect the middle ages life with insights or further developments, as they are intimately connected—just as twin particles are connected. We may not see the connection between twin particles, but it has to be there; and no amount of time or space eliminates it.

[flofrog]

THank you all, you have all been so kind to answer that little question. thank you Gem, how kind you are...

I do not really wish to incarnate back in time it was more as a question I have been asking for myself for some time about linear time. I was asking this because, as Diana says, it doesn't mean that things are not happening simultaneously. It's all about this conception of time which is so mysterious and sort of magical.

thank you all

[Navaratna]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Linear time, as far as I comprehend it, is a construct we use here in 3D, and upon reflection, it would have to be in order to maintain the veil. But that doesn't mean things aren't happening simultaneously in the bigger picture, rather like an evolving soup. In this way, I think the "past" can be affected as well as the "future."

So if, for example, we look at an individual who is incarnate now, and "was" in the middle ages, I think each life may affect the other life, irregardless of linear time, as the bigger picture is not limited by this construct. The middle ages life may render the current life with certain learned talents or fears; and the current life may also affect the middle ages life with insights or further developments, as they are intimately connected—just as twin particles are connected. We may not see the connection between twin particles, but it has to be there; and no amount of time or space eliminates it.

I don't know

[the]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Recently I finally understood "time doesn't exist at al"l, "past , present and future happen at the same time". although i have been taught about this for years, finally this becomes my own truth.

I need to write a book to explain this clearly to other people :-). since such book already exist, I will just post some of them here, feel free to read if that resonates with you.

1. "The Ascension papers,book 2", especially chapter 1.3 " space and time"
https://zingdad.com/publications/books/t...ers-book-2

2. quantum manifestation (so to come back/experience/manifest an earlier incarnation)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKaW-6K...-oRG7cBZQ/

[mayojojo]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Recently I finally understood "time doesn't exist at al"l, "past , present and future happen at the same time". although i have been taught about this for years, finally this becomes my own truth.

I need to write a book to explain this clearly to other people :-). since such book already exist, I will just post some of them here, feel free to read if that resonates with you.

1. "The Ascension papers,book 2", especially chapter 1.3 " space and time"
https://zingdad.com/publications/books/t...ers-book-2

2. quantum manifestation (so to come back/experience/manifest an earlier incarnation)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKaW-6K...-oRG7cBZQ/

Thanks for sharing that I shall read it

[ada]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Hello flo,

I think it is possible to travel forward in time but not backward, it has been 'somewhat' tested with atomic clocks on two planes going in different directions.
You would need to travel in light speeds for the effect to be impactful, like you said it has to do with curved space time. To travel through space is also to travel through time because they are intertwined, so if you were to travel in light speeds the flow of time would be diluted and different to you.
Earth and the solar system are also moving through space time at their own speeds, and depending where you are you feel the flow of time differently, if you were to be nearby a very dense object like a neutron star or a black hole the flow of time would be very different to you then to us on earth, same way I'd imagine if compared between us on earth and someone on a different planet with different curvatures and movements through space time.
I think also that past and future are local constructs, and that they are all the same present moment. I'd like to think of it as if looking at creation from a fast forward bird's eye view starting from the big bang to now, it looks like a single ongoing moment, like a heartbeat.

[Diana]

I do not really wish to incarnate back in time it was more as a question I have been asking for myself for some time about linear time.  I was asking this because, as Diana says, it doesn't mean that things are not happening simultaneously.   It's all about this conception of time which is so mysterious and sort of magical.

To follow up, I think past lives, or a different time frame, can be accessed with "resonance." In terms of linear 3D constraints within this density, going back in time is prohibited by the parameters of manifestation involved in its construction, but we do have access to the unconscious. In the archetype cards as presented by Ra, we have mind, body, and spirit aspects. The body is created by the mind, and all catalyst (which is everything esperienced) comes from the spirit. So, there is a pathway, according to this model, from mind to spirit. Since spirit dwells in timelessness (presumably), then timelessness is accessible. This, as an artist, you would know.

To take the concept further, if you look at the lightning-struck tower, the implication is that 3D constructs, or belief systems, or habitual perceptions of reality, must be destroyed in order to become more "enlightened," or to gain a wider comprehension of existence. In this way, the flow and fluidity from body>mind>spirit and spirit>mind>body is loosened and opened up.

Resonance would be a situation whereby one would become "one with" or "resonate with" another being, such as shamans entering animal spirits. This would require breaking down the mental barriers as depicted in the lightning-struck tower. I think this sort of thing happens on a small scale when one reads, for example, a good novel about the French Revolution such as "The Scarlet Pimpernel." One is transported mentally to that place and time, and one experiences the vicissitudes of the various people of that time through the narrative. Reading about it, in my opinion, is a better exercise that seeing a movie about it, because one needs to engage one's imagination while reading—the mind has to be actively working itself along with the story, visualizing, and in this way reading about another time is a good exercise in resonance.

So my theory is that if one wanted to incarnate in a different time to learn a certain lesson, one could create a version of this even from our perspective here with resonance and intention, provided the barriers between spirit>mind>body are sufficiently open to allow it.

[Navaratna]

Resonance is a good concept.

I think you'd like this article about lightning, jaguar spirits, and the holiness of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home...esoamerica

[AnthroHeart]

Resonance is a good concept.

I think you'd like this article about lightning, jaguar spirits, and the holiness of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home...esoamerica

I would love to read, but I don't have time. Can you summarize?

[Navaratna]

Resonance is a good concept.

I think you'd like this article about lightning, jaguar spirits, and the holiness of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home...esoamerica

I would love to read, but I don't have time. Can you summarize?

It's about a region in south Mexico near the Olmec heartland which was considered holy because of the lightning striking there so frequently. It's the thinnest point between the two oceans in the region.

There was a sacred hill called jaguar hill that gave the isthmus of tehuantepec it's name.
The Indians thought lightning was a divine power related to the storm god Tlaloc [who is represented by Venus just like Ra] and their wise men.

Lightning is what is thought to create lodestones

Were-jaguars are depicted in many temples [werewolves and are symbolic associations between lightning, wise men, and the jaguars.

[flofrog]

hello everyone,

I have this little question.   For a long time, I have been thinking, a bit because of Einstein conception that if you left Earth in a fast rocket enough, went far enough and came back, you could come back on Earth in earlier time, all this about the theory of curved space time.


Soo... for a long time I was thinking that to keep oneself wanting specific  lessons, you could in fact  plan to incarnate at different periods of linear time and so it would be possible to incarnate, for example back in the middle ages, or the renaissance.  But after studying the LOO and listening to these great podcasts of Jim, Gary and Austin,  I think it seems that in fact each linear phase exists in linear time in 3D and so it probably is not possible to come back to an earlier one, and sort of  'add to the history ' of what Earth has lived through..

Any thought on this from anyone would be much appreciated

Hello flo,

I think it is possible to travel forward in time but not backward, it has been 'somewhat' tested with atomic clocks on two planes going in different directions.
You would need to travel in light speeds for the effect to be impactful, like you said it has to do with curved space time. To travel through space is also to travel through time because they are intertwined, so if you were to travel in light speeds the flow of time would be diluted and different to you.
Earth and the solar system are also moving through space time at their own speeds, and depending where you are you feel the flow of time differently, if you were to be nearby a very dense object like a neutron star or a black hole the flow of time would be very different to you then to us on earth, same way I'd imagine if compared between us on earth and someone on a different planet with different curvatures and movements through space time.
I think also that past and future are local constructs, and that they are all the same present moment. I'd like to think of it as if looking at creation from a fast forward bird's eye view starting from the big bang to now, it looks like a single ongoing moment, like a heartbeat.

dearest Ada, how funny you precisely were interested into that ...

excellent paragraph, I love it !!

Its really interesting because there is an LL podcast, #25, if I am not wrong, which precisely at one point Gary and Austin talk about that.. I have to check if it is 25..

[flofrog]

Resonance is a good concept.

I think you'd like this article about lightning, jaguar spirits, and the holiness of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home...esoamerica

Thank you Navaratnafor posting it for us, it's interesting, and how important is the Jaguar for shamans.

[flofrog]

I do not really wish to incarnate back in time it was more as a question I have been asking for myself for some time about linear time.  I was asking this because, as Diana says, it doesn't mean that things are not happening simultaneously.   It's all about this conception of time which is so mysterious and sort of magical.

To follow up, I think past lives, or a different time frame, can be accessed with "resonance." In terms of linear 3D constraints within this density, going back in time is prohibited by the parameters of manifestation involved in its construction, but we do have access to the unconscious. In the archetype cards as presented by Ra, we have mind, body, and spirit aspects. The body is created by the mind, and all catalyst (which is everything esperienced) comes from the spirit. So, there is a pathway, according to this model, from mind to spirit. Since spirit dwells in timelessness (presumably), then timelessness is accessible. This, as an artist, you would know.

To take the concept further, if you look at the lightning-struck tower, the implication is that 3D constructs, or belief systems, or habitual perceptions of reality, must be destroyed in order to become more "enlightened," or to gain a wider comprehension of existence. In this way, the flow and fluidity from body>mind>spirit and spirit>mind>body is loosened and opened up.

Resonance would be a situation whereby one would become "one with" or "resonate with" another being, such as shamans entering animal spirits. This would require breaking down the mental barriers as depicted in the lightning-struck tower. I think this sort of thing happens on a small scale when one reads, for example, a good novel about the French Revolution such as "The Scarlet Pimpernel." One is transported mentally to that place and time, and one experiences the vicissitudes of the various people of that time through the narrative. Reading about it, in my opinion, is a better exercise that seeing a movie about it, because one needs to engage one's imagination while reading—the mind has to be actively working itself along with the story, visualizing, and in this way reading about another time is a good exercise in resonance.

So my theory is that if one wanted to incarnate in a different time to learn a certain lesson, one could create a version of this even from our perspective here with resonance and intention, provided the barriers between spirit>mind>body are sufficiently open to allow it.

How interesting Diana, when I read the Scarlet Pimpernel, I was like 14 and became obsessed with it, in fact at a time when Iwas starting to think, we must have lived other lives, this can't be just one, and the SP really sort of took me with an intensity which was completely out of what I usually felt while reading other fiction books.

so funny... Complete resonance, so funny meeting someone here of all places who mentions the SP..

[Diana]

How interesting Diana,    when I read the Scarlet Pimpernel, I was like 14 and became  obsessed with it,  in fact at a time when Iwas starting to think, we must have lived other lives,  this can't be just one, and the SP really sort of took me with an intensity which was completely out of what I usually felt while reading other fiction books.

so funny...  Complete resonance, so funny  meeting someone here of all places who mentions the SP..

I LOVE The Scarlet Pimpernel and have read all 4 books by Baroness Orczy (SP and the sequels) several times. I'm not surprised you were so affected, even just from the standpoint of the writing—so intense and entertaining and dramatic. It is a delicious book, and just talking about it makes me want to read it again.

I have read a lot of older novels. Elizabeth Goudge is another beautiful writer, and her book, Green Dolphin Street (published in 1944) I have read about once per year since the early 80s. I think you would like any of her books, as her love of nature so profoundly comes through, along with her sense of ultimate goodness in the world.

So much great literature!

---

Michael Talbot (The Holographic Universe) wrote a book called Past Lives. In it he talked about resonance. For example, and I haven't read it in along time so I am very much paraphrasing, he suggested going down a list of countries in the world, and without thinking, just compiling the ones you feel connected to or not connected to. Then compiling other lists of things you feel resonance with, and in this way you can create a picture of your past lives.

[AnthroHeart]

I haven't read the Scarlet Pimpernel, but I can tell you the book The Joy Luck Club sucked.
We had to read that for a competition in high school and I couldn't stand it.
Just like the movie The Breakfast Club. Yuck.

I'm being tongue-in-cheek here. But yeah.

Now books I LOVED: The Neverending Story, Ender's Game, His Dark Materials (trilogy) and more.

[Diana]

Now books I LOVED: The Neverending Story, Ender's Game, His Dark Materials (trilogy) and more.

I liked Ender's Game.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I have thought a lot about multidimensional time and how reality may change and work, but if you try to straighten out the mystery of time, then space becomes mysterious instead. How is concrete reality given a patterned structure with continuity if what exists in time is wide open to change? Two basic ways of trying to "understand" seem possible:

1. Limiting the thinking to match 3D direct experience and its limits. I.e., the future is open, but the past is fixed. There may exist many parallel timelines, however.

2. Abandoning the entire framework of how we perceive reality, so as to work and experiment with ideas of how it might be instead in higher densities. Abstract explorations from which some ideas may be brought back into approach #1, while the rest remains beyond clear comprehension.

To follow up, I think past lives, or a different time frame, can be accessed with "resonance." In terms of linear 3D constraints within this density, going back in time is prohibited by the parameters of manifestation involved in its construction, but we do have access to the unconscious. In the archetype cards [...]

The general ideas of the future being open while the past is fixed, combined with some fuzzy wiggle room having to do with resonance, reminds me of a different approach I just read of which matches that. Instead of archetypes, the idea is that we are as close to any given past as our present is to a present reachable from that past.

https://montalk.net/matrix/122/timeline-dynamics

The description of choices made throughout time forming a path extending backwards matches my own "graph traversal" metaphor, but Montalk fills in surrounding ideas differently.

Feedback loops may exist between the present and possible futures. Possible futures may exert competing influences to pull us towards them, combining with our choices to shape how a path is forged from here to a later here - a theme I've thought of but not written about myself.

Montalk covers the same general ideas, adding some interesting thinking about how relative closeness vs. distance to parallel realities may also double as relative closeness vs. distance to higher-density beings of both polarities. Their ongoing efforts (STS targeting vs. STO offering) to bring our future trajectories closer to their "locations", merging our timelines with the source of one or another type of higher-density influence, forms a big part of the whole drama of life in this world.

We have only as much "presence" in a reality as the similarity of our reality to it, according to Montalk. But when one person changes track, it also affects others who surround or are connected to that person, in some fluid probabilistic way. So the journey is in part personal and in part collective.

[flofrog]

I have thought a lot about multidimensional time and how reality may change and work, but if you try to straighten out the mystery of time, then space becomes mysterious instead. (...)

2. Abandoning the entire framework of how we perceive reality, so as to work and experiment with ideas of how it might be instead in higher densities. Abstract explorations from which some ideas may be brought back into approach #1, while the rest remains beyond clear comprehension.

Thank you every so much Asolsutsesvyl, so interesting, thank you for Montauk... I feel like you that space becomes then mysterious. I always had that feeling that seen from above, about linear time, when we are not incarnated, the incarnations which after all are part of the illusion too (!) would appear like a tapestry, a u nice one for each entity, and then the next choice for incarnation since all time is one time, then possibly any linear time would be accessible...

It's fascinating to me and absolutely impossible I am sure to figure It out in terms of 3 D mental, but I love your post. thank you. I will study Montauk !!

At the same time, I feel great responsibility about not interfering with other lives so I am like dumbfound to be interested in an issue where this would be an infringement on the 'past'... lol. Thank you again

[flofrog]

How interesting Diana,    when I read the Scarlet Pimpernel, I was like 14 and became  obsessed with it,  in fact at a time when Iwas starting to think, we must have lived other lives,  this can't be just one, and the SP really sort of took me with an intensity which was completely out of what I usually felt while reading other fiction books.

so funny...  Complete resonance, so funny  meeting someone here of all places who mentions the SP..

I LOVE The Scarlet Pimpernel and have read all 4 books by Baroness Orczy (SP and the sequels) several times. I'm not surprised you were so affected, even just from the standpoint of the writing—so intense and entertaining and dramatic. It is a delicious book, and just talking about it makes me want to read it again.

I have read a lot of older novels. Elizabeth Goudge is another beautiful writer, and her book, Green Dolphin Street (published in 1944) I have read about once per year since the early 80s. I think you would like any of her books, as her love of nature so profoundly comes through, along with her sense of ultimate goodness in the world.

So much great literature!

---

Michael Talbot (The Holographic Universe) wrote a book called Past Lives. In it he talked about resonance. For example, and I haven't read it in along time so I am very much paraphrasing, he suggested going down a list of countries in the world, and without thinking, just compiling the ones you feel connected to or not connected to. Then compiling other lists of things you feel resonance with, and in this way you can create a picture of your past lives.

Too funny Diana, too funny.... Oh what a great idea,... I love Michael Talbot. I shall write a list of the countries, and will PM you and we could compare !! lol I'll get the green Dolphin !!!

[flofrog]

Asolsutsesvyl,

Just visited the Montauk link, absolutely fantastic. Tons of thanks !!!!!

[Diana]

Too funny Diana,  too funny....   Oh what a great idea,... I love Michael Talbot.  I shall write a list of the countries, and will PM you and we could compare !!  lol    I'll get the green Dolphin !!!

Yes, let me know. It WOULD be fun to see our results. I'll have to dig out my notes from that!