Human beings are plenty loving

[Minyatur]

I too am of the opinion reason matters and most times when I see a strong rejection of reason or wisdom, it is not so much to defend compassion but to defend anger and frustrations that become grouped as if they were also compassion, when they are not. Oftentimes, it seems that when a cause is involved and there was a root of hertfelt compassion, one tends to become blind to their own energy when they exchange with those that they see as part of the problem. While there is an idea that it is a fight for compassion, one may have lost sight that they have long moved away from the moments they were indeed in a place of compassion. Here wisdom would play as that you realize that if you meet racism with anger for it, you will just accentuate it, reason brings you then the choice of whether you want to accentuate racism in self-righteousness or move once more toward the heart and a place of compassion and acceptance.

I think redchartreuse is right that humans contain plenty love and this is the density of self-awareness, so thinking it has nothing to do with reason is completely denaturing what this density is about and trying to make it about what we come to leap into when move to the following one.

Polarity is generated by growing in self-awareness until you gain a momentum in your will, this requires reason, this requires evaluating the love that you feel in whether you accentuate your blockages and make yourself seperate in your self-awareness, or whether you reason to move your energy up toward a place of acceptance also in self-awareness. Without reason love already is, but it is not polarized because it expresses the biases of our design, which is biased toward kindness like redchartreuse implied. Through reason, ability of self-awareness that is the center of this density, it becomes polarized either toward the positive or the negative.

I had wanted to post something alike in the wisdom thread but I see this one is more fitting, although I may be a bit late to do so. Anyway I think love void of reason is more likely to be lower distortions than actual compassion, because it takes reason to open the heart and seek to find acceptance, to unknot your distortions and allow the energy to move up. Without reason you would be little more than your instincts and would not move toward harvest. In 4D, self-awareness is already a foundation that does not need to be developped, this is not the case in 3D.

I would ask someone that thinks wisdom is of no importance to us, why the heck does the material include so much of it? Why do they give tips regarding the lessons of self and other-selves, the dynamics of learning and teaching, the dynamics of time/space and so on. I think it matters to actually be loving, because otherwise you are uncaring about what you manifest and this rarely will be about that you are vibrating green ray and instead what in you does not want to, what does not want to learn to accept something that is reflected of your/others'/the Creator's potential.

[Jade]

I too am of the opinion reason matters and most times when I see a strong rejection of reason or wisdom, it is not so much to defend compassion but to defend anger and frustrations that become grouped as if they were also compassion, when they are not. Oftentimes, it seems that when a cause is involved and there was a root of hertfelt compassion, one tends to become blind to their own energy when they exchange with those that they see as part of the problem. While there is an idea that it is a fight for compassion, one may have lost sight that they have long moved away from the moments they were indeed in a place of compassion. Here wisdom would play as that you realize that if you meet racism with anger for it, you will just accentuate it, reason brings you then the choice of whether you want to accentuate racism in self-righteousness or move once more toward the heart and a place of compassion and acceptance.

I think you are subtly misunderstanding what others have attempted to say. The point isn't to reinforce or encourage the anger that is misperceived as compassion, the point is to have compassion and acceptance for the anger, and understand that it can't just be erased or washed away in an instant. Acceptance does not have to involve enabling. Trying to "reason" people of feeling angry or hurt or like victims doesn't work, as most of us know. It just makes them angrier and feel more victimized. The green ray is healing, acceptance and compassion are healing, this is what people long for, and what they are so angry about lacking. It's metaphysical and not logical.

For instance, in the other thread, speedforce claimed that trans people were mentally ill and the proof was that they commit suicide more often. What isn't realized is that the reason trans people commit suicide more often is because society so thoroughly rejects them, so they would rather die than have to live as the gender that has tormented them their whole life. Acceptance of a male child's inclinations towards being more feminine and vice versa from the get go can help prevent the type of confusion that rejection and repression over a long period of time can cause. Maybe, if they experienced more acceptance for who they were, they wouldn't feel like they had to go to such extremes as to surgically alter their physical bodies to be accepted by society. And even if someone does want to alter their body permanently, we should, on some level, accept that as a configuration of another being. But this ultimately is a sick symptom of our whole society, it's much more socially acceptable for people who aren't trans to get plastic surgery. Trans people get singled out when the problems we speak of are pervasive.

Who knows, maybe someday soon I'll sound like some old person who scorns the kids for getting tattoos and piercings, saying that body modification is a symptom of a sick society. Heck, for some people, it's probably the cure for their mental illness. Either way, we have to accept that this exists, that there is extreme nuance in the problem, and that maybe wisdom lies in allowing the full expression of a person's (often very legitimate) anger in the moment and not insisting they repress that anger by use of reason. Acceptance and compassion releases anger. Sure, reason can too, but again, why encourage someone to skip that ever important step of loving, accepting, and having compassion for their anger and experiences that have injured them? And having compassion for the experiences for others - even if at times, part of that process is righteous anger. I think there is also often righteous anger on the path of reason.

[Minyatur]

I too am of the opinion reason matters and most times when I see a strong rejection of reason or wisdom, it is not so much to defend compassion but to defend anger and frustrations that become grouped as if they were also compassion, when they are not. Oftentimes, it seems that when a cause is involved and there was a root of hertfelt compassion, one tends to become blind to their own energy when they exchange with those that they see as part of the problem. While there is an idea that it is a fight for compassion, one may have lost sight that they have long moved away from the moments they were indeed in a place of compassion. Here wisdom would play as that you realize that if you meet racism with anger for it, you will just accentuate it, reason brings you then the choice of whether you want to accentuate racism in self-righteousness or move once more toward the heart and a place of compassion and acceptance.

I think you are subtly misunderstanding what others have attempted to say. The point isn't to reinforce or encourage the anger that is misperceived as compassion, the point is to have compassion and acceptance for the anger, and understand that it can't just be erased or washed away in an instant. Acceptance does not have to involve enabling. Trying to "reason" people of feeling angry or hurt or like victims doesn't work, as most of us know. It just makes them angrier and feel more victimized. The green ray is healing, acceptance and compassion are healing, this is what people long for, and what they are so angry about lacking. It's metaphysical and not logical.

For instance, in the other thread, speedforce claimed that trans people were mentally ill and the proof was that they commit suicide more often. What isn't realized is that the reason trans people commit suicide more often is because society so thoroughly rejects them, so they would rather die than have to live as the gender that has tormented them their whole life. Acceptance of a male child's inclinations towards being more feminine and vice versa from the get go can help prevent the type of confusion that rejection and repression over a long period of time can cause. Maybe, if they experienced more acceptance for who they were, they wouldn't feel like they had to go to such extremes as to surgically alter their physical bodies to be accepted by society. And even if someone does want to alter their body permanently, we should, on some level, accept that as a configuration of another being. But this ultimately is a sick symptom of our whole society, it's much more socially acceptable for people who aren't trans to get plastic surgery. Trans people get singled out when the problems we speak of are pervasive.

Who knows, maybe someday soon I'll sound like some old person who scorns the kids for getting tattoos and piercings, saying that body modification is a symptom of a sick society. Heck, for some people, it's probably the cure for their mental illness. Either way, we have to accept that this exists, that there is extreme nuance in the problem, and that maybe wisdom lies in allowing the full expression of a person's (often very legitimate) anger in the moment and not insisting they repress that anger by use of reason. Acceptance and compassion releases anger. Sure, reason can too, but again, why encourage someone to skip that ever important step of loving, accepting, and having compassion for their anger and experiences that have injured them? And having compassion for the experiences for others - even if at times, part of that process is righteous anger. I think there is also often righteous anger on the path of reason.

I personally just don't think you can dissociate them. Balancing is a lot about experiencing and realizing, and since this is the density of self-awareness it is more about yourself than realizing others for them. So you can't as much reason anger in someone as you can reason your own anger after having lived it multiple times, seeing that there is something beneath it for example and that just being angry disallows you to address what is beneath the anger. I think it even takes reason to accept your anger, because if you are just living it like stuck in a pattern, you are never so much recognizing what it is. Anger often comes out as an abstraction of what it is really rooted in and realizing the root is what alleviates it, but it has its own purpose in being a defense mechanism and should not be denied either.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that what I say on this forum is what needs to be told to people on the street. I see this forum as a written platform that gathers seekers that were drawn to a material that offers information, so understanding is more what can be balanced here because of the nature of the medium and its context. Like in the case of anger, maybe more than denying someone's anger with reason you can just reason yourself that there is something beneath it and try to address that without denying the anger. So while it is not that bad for you to become angry together with the person, maybe just saying something like "It is understandable to be angry" in a compassionate energy already makes a chink in the shelled-armor that hinders that person to heal.

[loostudent]

Back to the OP. There are many kinds of bonds that we call with one word "love" but Ra was talking about tribe bias that has to be transmuted to "universal love" (for STO path).

19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all.

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

The ancients knew better. They used different words for different types of love: eros, ludos, philie, storge, pragma, philautia ... and agape (universal love). Our world really needs more agape!

Agape is the highest form of love. It's the divine love that Jesus taught:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,  so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[flofrog]

Anyhow, I'm not saying that what I say on this forum is what needs to be told to people on the street. I see this forum as a written platform that gathers seekers that were drawn to a material that offers information, so understanding is more what can be balanced here because of the nature of the medium and its context. Like in the case of anger, maybe more than denying someone's anger with reason you can just reason yourself that there is something beneath it and try to address that without denying the anger. So while it is not that bad for you to become angry together with the person, maybe just saying something like "It is understandable to be angry" in a compassionate energy already makes a chink in the shelled-armor that hinders that person to heal.

Very true Minyatur, and I think this is what happens often here, at least that is how I see this forum and why I like it, but I don't have always time to read all the different threads, but still to me, this is forum where everyone shows a lot of compassion and seeks to help someone angry or bruised.

I kind of regret that red chartreuse decided to leave. But I am not sure her passing through this place diminished the tension or the anger she had on certain subjects.

There is one thing I didn't quite get. Red was very openly upset about that sinking hole where supposedly many are, and wished to help, but there seemed to be at some time much anger on that issue. Can anyone explain to me why she was angry about this. I mean if you wish to help someone, you can either do it privately one on one, or you can pray and meditate on your side for a group when that group is not personally known. If anyone has a comment on this, please do so.

I also feel for anyone who is a moderator on any web site, so all kinds of feelings towards Jade to stay afloat....