Population Size of Atlantis?

[Plenum]

has anyone ever seen population estimates for Atlantis?

Didn't Ra also give an estimate for the number of inhabitants on Earth at the start of this 25000 year cycle?  Anyone able to find that?

How many Wanderers do you think committed to staying for the whole 25000 year cycle?

I, personally, don't think I am one of them.  I have been here for 3 lifetimes, at the most (as a guess).  I don't have any personal resonance or affiliation with Atlantis or Lemuria, although there have been plenty of members who carry those thoughts/memories.  I'm one of those Wanderers that came strictly for the last phase.

[Plenum]

found the answer to my second question:

Ra: I am Ra. I am assuming that you intend to query regarding the number of incarnate mind/body/spirit complexes at the end of the second major cycle, this number being approximately three four five, oh oh oh, three hundred forty-five thousand [345,000] entities.

not sure how that projects forward to the time of Atlantis (about 14000 years), at the time of the sinking.

The Atlantean race was a very conglomerate social complex which began to form approximately three one oh oh oh, thirty-one thousand [31,000] years in the past of your space/time continuum illusion. It was a slow growing and very agrarian society until approximately one five oh oh oh, fifteen thousand [15,000] of your years ago. It reached quickly a high technological understanding which caused it to be able to use intelligent infinity in a less informative manner. We may add that they used intelligent energy as well, manipulating greatly the natural influxes of the indigo or pineal ray from divine or infinite energy. Thus, they were able to create life forms. This they began to do instead of healing and perfecting their own mind/body/spirit complexes, turning their distortions towards what you may call the negative.

Approximately eleven thousand [11,000] of your years ago, the first of the, what you call, wars, caused approximately forty percent of this population to leave the density by means of disintegration of the body. The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey.

imagine losing 40% of your country's population in a single war.

[anagogy]

imagine losing 40% of your country's population in a single war.

Yeah, that would be devastating.

I've heard from some sources that America is essentially the reincarnation of Atlantis.  Now, of course, this doesn't mean that every human in America is some power hungry a-hole who wants to loot and plunder the Earth's resources till it shrugs off the parasitic pestilence as it did in the time of Atlantis.  Just as the fact that Atlantis turned dark at the end does not necessarily mean every being there had turned negative (and of course, Ra said said a few of the positively oriented groups left).  But I do believe in things like "group karma" and I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that a large majority of the elite authority figures in America are some of the very same power hungry souls that were present in the time of atlantis, and whom cracked open their own biosphere in a vain pursuit of more power.  

And they're at it again.  I guess we'll see if the positive will win out this time around.  

[Illamasqua]

I've heard from some sources that America is essentially the reincarnation of Atlantis.

You are of course referring to colonized America (i.e. descending from Europeans colonists) rather than native America (descending from Lemuria several thousands of years earlier). This indeed explains much, as the entire American continent (particularly the northern portion) is basically the continuation of the Greco-Roman Empire (i.e. Europa as a whole), which is in turn the continuation (albeit subconsciously/under-the-veil) of Atlantis.

It would become quite evident to anyone with any basic knowledge on European/Mesopotamian geography, history and/or etymology that these seemingly divergent civilizations originated/descended from the same general region: the Caucasus Mountains (situated right between the Black Sea to the west and the Caspian Sea to the east, with modern-day Anatolia/Turkey & Iran/Persia to the south and Russia to the north). Why is this important? Because the Caucasus/Turkey is basically the motherland of Atlantis 2.0. Granted, some other pockets of Atlantean people may have gone elsewhere (such as the three "positive" groups mentioned by Ra) and may have already had settlements in other parts of the world even before the downsinking of Atlantis (the Celts, for example); however, who we are concerned with are these Atlantean remnants right here because of reasons which will be detailed below.

Due to the geographical configurations mentioned above (click here for Google Maps if it helps with visualization), these Atlanteans basically split into three major groupings as they came down from the Caucasus:

1. One group heads west across Anatolia/Turkey, through the Aegean Islands, and into Hellas/Greece. This is why Greek mythology, culture and architecture is so evocative of Atlantean times for so many people nowadays. This later leads to the Greco-Roman Empire and the complete conquest of Europa by the Holy Roman Empire (the First Reich) under the Frankia/Germania coalition, being an extension and later succession of Rome at the time. Needless to say, the Roman Empire extends all all the way into the Iberian Peninsula (Hispania, modern-day Spain & Portugal), spreading its influence all across the Mediterranean Sea and, by extent, the northernmost regions of Africa (notably, Egypt), as well across mainland Europa all the way into Anglo-Saxon land (i.e. England, Ireland, Scotland—Britannia as a whole back then).

Worthy of mention here is the Romans' own foundation myth/story: claiming to be the descendants of Romulus (hence their namesake), son of Mars/Ares, God of War and the red planet next door. *hint-hint*

2. Another group heads south into Mesopotamia, the "Cradle of Civilization" (not!), and becomes the Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Persian/Iranian (Aryan) peoples. This is basically modern-day Iran, Syria, Iraq & Arabia. Like their Greek/Roman relatives, some of these people also spread their cultures further west across the Red Sea into Egypt, all the way into Morocco, which bridges over into Hispania/the Iberian Peninsula (which will cause much friction and intermingling with the Celtic-Roman inhabitants there for many hundreds of years). Yet another pocket of these Iranian/Aryan people migrate east into the Indus Valley region (and by extent, modern-day India).

It goes without saying there was a lot of bickering and warmongering going on between the Greeks/Romans and Persians/Iranians (Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, etc.) over time. The period of the Byzantine Empire (basically the attempted relocation of the Catholic Church from Rome to modern-day Istanbul in present-day Turkey) with the whole Templar & crusade business is particularly worthy of notice. Why? Because Turkey is both geographically, historically and etymologically significant. Just take a look at Göbekli Tepe as an appetizer: the oldest (presently known, that is) man-made religious structure/temple dating to 10,000 BC. That should be another *hint-hint* right there.

In short: Turkey (and by extent, the Caucasus) is the birth-mother of all Indo-European (Greek, Romantic/Latin/Italic, Germanic/Gothic, Slavic, etc.) and Indo-Iranian/Aryan (Vedic, Sanskrit, Persian, etc.) languages.

3. The third major group that split from the Caucasus were those who headed northwest across modern-day Russia, Ukraine, Estonia into Hyperborea (the Scandinavian regions that comprise Finland, Sweden, Norway) and then back into mainland/central Europe through Denmark and into Germania and later Frankia (back then broadly referred to as Celtica and later Gallia of the Gauls). These came to be variously known as the Germanic, Teutonic, Gothic, Vandal tribes who, despite many clashes and confrontations with the expanding Roman Empire spreading northwards, would eventually be gathered into the proverbial fold, so to speak (as their Romanization/Christianization can attest).

Some of these Nordic/northern people also either remained or later returned to settle in the Slavic kingdoms/territories (Russia being founded by the Rus people, for example). However, our main story concerns central Europe as this is where the big drama was taking place (that is why Europe is so broken up into so many little pieces, by the way—a sure indicator of constant dispute, conflict, friction and, of course, war).

Eventually, as the Roman Empire was crumbling upon itself, Frankia/Germania (which was basically one big kingdom back then, divided into west and east domains, respectively) basically continued what Rome had started. This was the beginning of the First Reich: the Holy Roman Empire (under Charlamagne). To put things in perspective, this in the 1800's Middle Ages, around the time of the Merovingian Dynasty. Also around this time, Roman/Italian influence was waning over Britannia and the land was essentially passed over to Anglo-Saxon/Germanic rule. This, plus Scandinavian/Viking raids and more intermingling lead to England to become what it is today: a mix of Frankian, Anglo-Saxon/Germanic and Celt with a pinch of Hyperborean Scandinavian.

Iberia/Hispania (Spain & Portugal), on the other hand, retained less of an Anglo-Saxon/Germanic influence and took on more of an Arabian/Iranian tinge due to constant infiltrations by the Muslim Moors coming in from the Maghreb (northwestern Africa) through Morocco.

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So what about the Celts? Well, both Greeks/Romans and Nordic/Germanic people encountered these so-called Celts/Gallic tribes in isolated pockets all across west-central Europe (then Celtica) as well as Iberia/Hispania. It is clear these people were sufficiently distinct from Germanic tribes in a cultural-religious sense (Germanic people didn't have druids, for example, nor did they tattoo their skins or rode chariots). It is unclear, however, as to whether these also descended from the Caucasus or were "long-lost" Atlantean settlers from a much earlier time (they sure ain't "natives"!). Their geographical location would seem to indicate the latter. After all, they were right next to the Atlantic (Atlantis) Ocean. Either way, most Celts/Gauls were slowly but surely intermingled with Roman-Germanic blood due to cultural syncretism, and whatever "pure blood" remained was driven/pushed back to small shires in what is nowadays known as Ireland, Scotland and Welsh (parts of larger Britannia/England back then). This is why these countries retained their Celtic ancestry.

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Anyway, this is an extremely condensed/abbreviated history which would otherwise require several pages (and several days) to properly recount (not to mention it can get pretty boring/tedious too). The point of the whole story is this: the Caucasian race (whether in its Mediterranean, Nordic or Alpine variations) is the continuation of the Atlantean race; and the Atlanteans are, of course, the Martians.

Addendum: Granted, trans-cultural/racial incarnations do occur, and not every Caucasian is going to have an Atlantean past/heritage. Plus, there's at least 10-15 other (albeit minor) xeno-planetary racial influences at play here who are (or have been) incarnated on planet Earth for the continuation or resumption of their respective 3rd-density cycles at one point or another. It wouldn't be too farfetched to conject that some may have very well incarnated among Caucasian/post-Atlantean populations. Not to mention there's been (and continues to be) a lot of racial intermingling/crossbreeding between various racial archetypes, especially after modern-day globalization, so it'd be silly to assume present-day Caucasians are 100% Atlantean/Martian. And last but not least, a whole bunch of "wanderers" have also implanted themselves over the past 200 years or so within post-colonization America (the European "New World") and taken up Caucasian bodies for their incarnative mission. However, as a whole, Caucasian equals Atlantean—if not in cultural/racial tendencies then at the very least in physical archetype.

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And Plenum, the number of incarnated entities at any given time does not necessarily indicate the actual number of entities belonging to any one particular civilization. Not all need to be incarnated at the same time, nor in the same volume/quantities. It would therefore be natural to assume there are periods of time when entities incarnate in larger quantities and periods of recess, so to speak, when most entities are "in-between lives" assessing the needs of their further incarnative experience as a group (remember, the process is largely groupal in nature). There are most definitely ebbs and flows to such incarnational patterns ("karmic" reasons included).

[Zach]

has anyone ever seen population estimates for Atlantis?

(1)Didn't Ra also give an estimate for the number of inhabitants on Earth at the start of this 25000 year cycle?  Anyone able to find that?

(2)How many Wanderers do you think committed to staying for the whole 25000 year cycle?

I, personally, don't think I am one of them.  I have been here for 3 lifetimes, at the most (as a guess).  I don't have any personal resonance or affiliation with Atlantis or Lemuria, although there have been plenty of members who carry those thoughts/memories. (3) I'm one of those Wanderers that came strictly for the last phase.

1 I am not sure, if something pops up I will share it though.

2 Not sure because I have no idea how common it was for wanderers to come here during that time.

3 Me too. My understanding is this is my first time back on Earth since Atlantis. I was hesitant to come back but it was appropriate for my balancing...and a very important time for Earth. I also feel very drawn to the energy and landscape of Turkey. When I look at pictures of Turkey I can feel a sense of what it was like during Atlantis and thats what I am drawn to. From my (vague)memory/feeling...it was much, much more lush and green in those times. I feel that peak of Atlantis' positivity it had a very Utopian feel, a very light and comfortable vibration. Even as it fell I feel the collective vibration wasn't as...heavy feeling as it is now on Earth.

I would reckon although I imagine the population of Atlantis was fairly large and diverse, Im sure it was MUCH less than what the Earth population is now. Wouldn't surprise me if it was less that the US population. Also to my understanding during the time of Atlantis there were various other isolated and primitive cultures (other than Mu) scattered on Earth..

[Zach]

Illamasqua, thanks for sharing all that!

[Steppingfeet]

Illamasqua, that was outstanding. Who knows how accurate it may be, but you're clearly well researched and paint a probable, albeit abbreviated, scenario of the legacy of Atlantis in the northern hemisphere. Thanks for sharing!

[Parsons]

Ditto on Gary's sentiments.

I would be highly interested in an equally detailed run down of the cultural influences of Atlantis that survive today. Some examples / tidbits I've noticed (that may or may not be painfully obvious to most here):

1) The flood 'myth' that is present in many geographically separate civilization's  backgrounds (IE the flood in the Bible).

2) Halloween / day of the dead holiday present in many geographically separate civilizations, most within 3 days (Oct 31st - Nov 2nd). Corresponds with the fall of Atlantis.

Those are just two of the most obvious examples; I'm sure there are other traditions that survived or were at least heavily influenced by Atlantis. The same goes for language (ie the Atlantic ocean).

[Steppingfeet]

1) The flood 'myth' that is present in many geographically separate civilization's  backgrounds (IE the flood in the Bible).

 
Parsons have you read any of Graham Hancock's work? The universality of great flood or other similar cataclysmic event is an important component in his theory.

I'm currently, slowly working my way through Magicians of the Gods. He dives into the evidence for a comet impact 12,800 that sent the planet into a deep freeze for a thousand-year period, the start of which could have contributed to the flood myth. At least in the lore of Native American tribes who have oral traditions of cataclysms of water, fire, and die-off of animals, of which would have occurred subsequent to the comet's impact.

[Parsons]

I have a little bit... but I am trying to find to correlate what Ra said specifically happened 10,855 (1981AD + 34) years ago: "The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey."

So the timeline being off and the comet theory don't match up 100% to that.

[Bosphorus1982]

According to the Cassiopaean material, the population of pre-cataclysm(last) Atlantis was around 6 billion.

[Spaced]

imagine losing 40% of your country's population in a single war.

I think the closest we've come in recent history is the Korean war where 20% of the population of North Korea was killed and every single settlement reduced to rubble in only 3 years. We in the west refer to it as "the forgotten war" but they certainly do not forget.

[flofrog]

Peru was invaded by the Spaniards during their conquest of central and south America. If you visit Lima and watch the population, it is clearly divided between two ethnies, the ones occupying government and most areas of productivity have the physical look of Spaniards with pale olive skin and sleek dark hair, and then the native Peru Indians who are mainly farmers or live in state of poverty in cities. There is an eerie gentleness and peace coming from these beautiful ' Indians.'

The extraordinary thing is their faces look exactly like Tibetans', beautiful eyes, dark hair, and slightly flattened nose. If you look at a photo of a Tibetan person, it's impossible to know for sure if he is from Tibet or Peru.... Thank you Ra..