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    Thread: The Existence of Another I


    The_Tired_Philosopher (Offline)

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    #1
    10-18-2015, 12:59 PM
    Boom, have a Q'uote!

    Quote:I am Q'uo and we would suggest my sister that in your meditative state you observe the qualities of the character in your story and observe how, in this state of observation, the character behaves. If you're able to see without any conscious intervention on your part how the character continues to move and evolve, you may consider it a product of a contact with your subconscious mind which has relayed to you a being which does exist. If there is no movement or development in the meditative state, you may consider the possibility that it is a creature of your conscious mind's creation.

    So I am going to be doing this with some of my 'fictional' characters to see how it works out, I'm most excited to see about my current work in progress' Protagonist.

    It's my opinion that to be relayed an entity to use 'creatively' does not also mean we are pulling them and putting them in the same environment.  Or basically we can juxtaposition an actual entity provided to us subconsciously into a fictional environment and allow them to 'intelligently' progress across the 'story' changing it's reality kind of like we change ours.

    The potential results would explain why some fictional books have such real and powerful moments, as if they were truly, actually happening and you're connecting to it.

    If mine happens to be 'real', what makes me kind of jumpy with excitement is the thought that I could be taking literally my self from another universe, and literally putting myself through the story events.  But opposite side wise, I in that reality could be doing the exact same thing to myself in this reality through a book.  And when we both realize it...If, to just see how we'd collaborate with the other in their reality as we exist in their creative universe.

    It's things like this that make me super excited, things that bend reality to me, things that 'bend the envelope'.  This, this is potentially bending the envelope if you cause a book to be a form of interaction with your own self in another universe.

    -cough- I forgot to mention I have a tin foil hat BigSmile

    Anyways, I'm going to try this out, I'll let y'all know the results.
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    #2
    10-18-2015, 01:26 PM
    Carla and Don wrote The Crucifixion of Esmerelda Sweetwater together, which foretold events in their future together with eerie coincidences. Only the ending was wrong. So you can even tell your story on this timeline if you want, too. Wink

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    10-18-2015, 01:47 PM
    How does that not blow your mind Jade? Books are potentially literally LITERALLY portals into other realities.

    -silently screams in awe at self-
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    10-18-2015, 01:53 PM (This post was last modified: 10-18-2015, 01:54 PM by Minyatur.)
    (10-18-2015, 01:47 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: How does that not blow your mind Jade?  Books are potentially literally LITERALLY portals into other realities.

    -silently screams in awe at self-

    Infinity is infinite. The reason you could consider yourself as an illusion is because to an awareness in another reality (still is your awareness as there is only one) what we are is nothing more than potential, a thought, just as other realities will look like nothing more than potential to us as it is not manifested in our awareness.
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    10-18-2015, 02:05 PM
    So, again, whats the point of it all?

    Should one not marvel at beauty and wonder how and why it is?

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    10-18-2015, 03:20 PM
    (10-18-2015, 02:05 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So, again, whats the point of it all?

    Should one not marvel at beauty and wonder how and why it is?

    The point is Intelligent Infinity, it is all there is. A single united thought.

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    10-18-2015, 04:04 PM
    It would be neat if my published book were real in another realm.
    But the 2nd book I started and stopped I hope isn't real. The characters are idiots.
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    10-18-2015, 04:08 PM
    (10-18-2015, 04:04 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: It would be neat if my published book were real in another realm.
    But the 2nd book I started and stopped I hope isn't real. The characters are idiots.

    How can something be idiotic when there is only intelligence to be seen?
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    10-18-2015, 04:18 PM
    (10-18-2015, 04:08 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:
    (10-18-2015, 04:04 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: It would be neat if my published book were real in another realm.
    But the 2nd book I started and stopped I hope isn't real. The characters are idiots.

    How can something be idiotic when there is only intelligence to be seen?

    It was turning into an erotic novel, but was poorly executed.

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    10-18-2015, 08:39 PM
    (10-18-2015, 01:47 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: How does that not blow your mind Jade?  Books are potentially literally LITERALLY portals into other realities.

    -silently screams in awe at self-

    Well, yeah. My husband is a writer. I had a past life reading done once, without him even present, and the reader told a story so similar to one he had written that I was rather taken aback. So yes, my mind's blown all the way out dude. Infinity feeds everything we do. I read him that part of the channeling and he was like "oh.... there's another way to write than just letting things write themselves?"

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    10-19-2015, 12:17 AM
    Well, I now know my Protagonist is real. Dunno if she's I but I think she is. My other characters in two other books are also real but not I. Except my antagonist in the first book. He's definitely I.

    And since he meets the Protagonist who is I in my current...

    Oh man. This book I'm working on should just be called Infinite I. Its all me, a giant subconscious recollection into a fictional form various aspects of self across the universe.

    I need a writing desk and a ritual for this insanity Heart

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    10-19-2015, 01:35 AM
    It sounds like it's becoming the Neverending Story.

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    10-19-2015, 02:22 AM
    Isn't that every story?

    I'm formulating the ending and the body constantly, I really affect reality if my protagonist I has any indication of that.

    I'm.surprised you're not more interested in this Gem, I remember you wanted to interact with parallel realities, this is sort of like doing that.

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    10-19-2015, 03:42 PM
    can you relate to this : all consuming flame constitutes the life of a candle .... what about the flame ?

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    10-19-2015, 05:33 PM
    (10-19-2015, 02:22 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Isn't that every story?

    I'm formulating the ending and the body constantly, I really affect reality if my protagonist I has any indication of that.

    I'm.surprised you're not more interested in this Gem, I remember you wanted to interact with parallel realities, this is sort of like doing that.

    If I write something to try to make it real in another reality, I still can't meet the character.
    Maybe in meditation I can. I like to let the character write themselves.

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    10-19-2015, 06:50 PM
    (10-19-2015, 02:22 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I'm.surprised you're not more interested in this Gem, I remember you wanted to interact with parallel realities, this is sort of like doing that.

    I am interested in the subject matter. Yes it makes me wonder if just a thought is real, or if you have to put it down on paper.

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    10-19-2015, 11:52 PM
    http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0919.aspx

    Its a bit more complex but simple? The last half of the transcript, Quo offers some advice for finding out if a character is real or fictitious.

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    10-20-2015, 03:21 PM
    (10-19-2015, 11:52 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0919.aspx

    Its a bit more complex but simple? The last half of the transcript, Quo offers some advice for finding out if a character is real or fictitious.

    So you meditate on the character and if they seem to have a life of their own then they are real?

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    10-21-2015, 07:46 AM
    (10-18-2015, 02:05 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So, again, whats the point of it all?

    Should one not marvel at beauty and wonder how and why it is?

    I tend to ponder this while reminding myself that any concept worth being "the point" of all this is probably not something my monkey mind will be satisfied by.  In other words, the third density human consciousness that asks the question is not designed to hear the answer; that consciousness is merely a vehicle, and instrument for a deeper part of me receiving the answer.

    But that's not satisfying at all?  Yet who says the point is to be satisfied?  If your car is "satisfied" it is at rest, and cannot move you around.

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    10-22-2015, 02:58 PM
    (10-21-2015, 07:46 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:
    (10-18-2015, 02:05 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So, again, whats the point of it all?

    Should one not marvel at beauty and wonder how and why it is?

    I tend to ponder this while reminding myself that any concept worth being "the point" of all this is probably not something my monkey mind will be satisfied by.  In other words, the third density human consciousness that asks the question is not designed to hear the answer; that consciousness is merely a vehicle, and instrument for a deeper part of me receiving the answer.

    But that's not satisfying at all?  Yet who says the point is to be satisfied?  If your car is "satisfied" it is at rest, and cannot move you around.

    How is a resting car not as satisfied as an idling car or one running at 6k rpm gliding burning asphalt underneath its skidding drifting tires?

    I think satisfied is dependent, my monkey brain recognizes that it may potentially hear the truth and just as childishly ask 'why' to even that not realizing that it isn't a question that requires the question of why, but perhaps something more subtle and sincere than a broad-ended overall at all questioning of.

    It's why I still seek, hoping.

    (10-20-2015, 03:21 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:
    (10-19-2015, 11:52 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0919.aspx

    Its a bit more complex but simple? The last half of the transcript, Quo offers some advice for finding out if a character is real or fictitious.

    So you meditate on the character and if they seem to have a life of their own then they are real?

    Basically what happened for me.  My antagonist Alio and my protagonist Skyla were the most animated of the characters, doing basically everything without any input on my own, in fact I found trying to make them do what I wanted led to them resisting in a subtle way, like a clashing of wills.

    Furthermore, my protagonist Skyla turns out to be another version of myself, who is working on a book with myself as its protagonist.  The few interactions when she responded to me in meditation and outside of meditation I'm still pondering over as to an overactive imagination, or something more.

    Ironically, when I asked her if she was real, she repeated the same question to me, wondering if I was real too and not just a figment of her imagination.

    Kind of makes me feel figmenty since I have no way of being able to prove I'm real.

    Which in itself, is kind of scary honestly.
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    10-22-2015, 03:47 PM
    The novel I wrote it turned out the main character was a parallel me, without me realizing it at the time. It took 10 years after publication to realize.

    But the character was more wise than I am. And much younger. Still a child.

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    03-01-2017, 10:48 PM
    Oh I do a lot of marveling at the son of a gun, that put all this together. Where's he/she at? Give them a pat on the back! Jesus what a marvel...ugh...God you are truly brilliant, and I bow to your majesty, wisdom, and grace. Master of Masters. Potentiator of all potentials. Thank you great one. (Bows)
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    03-03-2017, 09:12 PM
    *Sound of one hand clapping*
    i could not have said it better from this point of view, mr/mis infinite Unity Wink
    /You, in another point of view A.K.A Raz
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    03-04-2017, 11:25 AM
    Thank you Raz encouraging. I find your post very interesting, and along the lines I think often.
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