The Logos/Creator Relationship

[GreatSpirit]

The Logos (God's heralds) is a mystery in itself to us . It "pretty much" has absolute mastery of Creation. It is God made manifest. The great mystery is that of freedom and the I AM self of the Logos.

In simpler terms, I believe that each Logos entity is like a board member of a corporation with God acting as the CEO who allows us to be CEOs ourselves. It's the great mystery of experience.

Since time and space are intertwined....when the Logos merges back into the One Creator, the end of the physical Universe occurs called the great rip. This could take TRILLIONS of years or longer. It is rather when the Logos feels/decides to go back, as opposed to man's natural order view.

The physical universe is not eternal as we could understand it, but all goes back into One, so the Logos now experiences God you can say "in totality"

In ever simpler terms, it is like a child who always wants to be around a parent but the parents are like go on outside and have fun with your friends (ie creating your own Universe), just remember to come home for dinner

[AnthroHeart]

A am much more interested in the sub-Logos (Sun) than I am of our galactic Logos. What's it like to be conscious of the minds of trillions of beings?

I look forward to once again merging with the One Creator. I want to experience God in totality as you say.

[third-density-being]

"Material Universe" was manifested at quite "late time" in propagation of Creation. It is an "Illusion" of which Ra spoke. He/They for example are not bound anymore by (space/time)/(time/space) - the Illusion we are all in right now. It manifests to Us a material Universe. It's Creator/Creation which We can perceive in extremely small part; without understanding, memory.

I would like to quote part of The Law of One, Book I, Session 13 (January 29, 1981) where Ra spoke of beginnings of Creation

(…)
Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?

Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?

Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.

Questioner: After this, what came next?

Ra: I am Ra. Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You
have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common
to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity
as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create
understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

Questioner: Can you state the next step?

Ra: I am Ra. The next step is still at this space/time nexus in your illusion
achieving its progression as you may see it in your illusion. The next step is
an infinite reaction to the creative principle following the Law of One in
one of its primal distortions, freedom of will. Thus many, many
dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the
intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force,
this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire
creation no matter which direction or energy is explored. These patterns of
energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and
fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes.

Questioner: Then can you tell me how the galaxy and planetary systems
were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at
the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.
The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the
individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle
of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called
physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this
great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building
block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full
of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was
called by the creative principle.
This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain
characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by
the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the
shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies,
and planets of revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

Questioner: I think I made an error in getting ahead of the process you
were describing. Would it be helpful to fill in that great leap due to the
mistake I made?

Ra: I am Ra. I attempted to bridge the gap. However, you may question me
in any manner you deem appropriate.

Questioner: Taking the question just before the one I asked about the
galaxies and planets and tell me what the next step was from there?

Ra: I am Ra. The steps, as you call them, are, at the point of question,
simultaneous and infinite.

Questioner: Can you tell me how intelligent infinity became, shall we say
(I’m having difficulty with the language), how intelligent infinity became
individualized from itself.

Ra: I am Ra. This is an appropriate question.
The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned to
be freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first
and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one
intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the
infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness.
The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present.

Questioner: Was the galaxy that we are in created by the infinite
intelligence or was it created by a portion of the infinite intelligence?

Ra: I am Ra. The galaxy and all other things of material of which you are
aware are products of individualized portions of intelligent infinity. As each
exploration began, it, in turn, found its focus and became co-Creator. Using
intelligent infinity each portion created an universe and allowing the
rhythms of free choice to flow, playing with the infinite spectrum of
possibilities, each individualized portion channeled the love/light into what
you might call intelligent energy, thus creating the so-called Natural Laws
of any particular universe.
Each universe, in turn, individualized to a focus becoming, in turn, co-
Creator and allowing further diversity, thus creating further intelligent
energies regularizing or causing Natural Laws to appear in the vibrational
patterns of what you would call a solar system. Thus, each solar system has
its own, shall we say, local coordinate system of illusory Natural Laws. It
shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density
or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the one Creator
which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

Questioner: Can you tell me how the individualized infinity created our
galaxy and if the same portion created our planetary system and, if so, how
this came about?

Ra: I am Ra. We may have misperceived your query. We were under the
distortion/impression that we had responded to this particular query.
Would you restate the query?

Questioner: I am wondering if the planetary system that we are in now was
all created at once or if our sun was created first and the planets later?

Ra: I am Ra. The process is from the larger, in your illusion, to the smaller.
Thus the co-Creator, individualizing the galaxy, created energy patterns
which then focused in multitudinous focuses of further conscious awareness
of intelligent infinity. Thus, the solar system of which you experience
inhabitation is of its own patterns, rhythms, and so-called natural laws
which are unique to itself. However, the progression is from the galaxy
spiraling energy to the solar spiraling energy, to the planetary spiraling
energy, to the experiential circumstances of spiraling energy which begin the
first density of awareness of consciousness of planetary entities.

Questioner: Could you tell me about this first density of planetary entities?

Ra: I am Ra. Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of
awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call
chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms
of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos
moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s
patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience.
This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the
mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the
awareness of being. This is the first density.

Questioner: How does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: I am Ra. The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you
call “light,” moves in a straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable
vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to
intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the
second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather
than dissolution or random change.

Questioner: Could you define what you mean by growth?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the difference between first-vibrational
mineral or water life and the lower second-density beings which begin to
move about within and upon its being. This movement is the characteristic
of second density, the striving towards light and growth.

Questioner: By striving towards light, what do you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. A very simplistic example of second-density growth striving
towards light is that of the leaf striving towards the source of light.

Questioner: Is there any physical difference between first and second
density? For instance if I could see both a first and second-density planet
side by side, in my present condition, could I see both of them? Would they
both be physical to me?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. All of the octave of your densities would be
clearly visible were not the fourth through the seventh freely choosing not
to be visible.

Questioner: Then how does the second density progress to the third?

Ra: I am Ra. The second density strives towards the third density which is
the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place
through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density
beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware
mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and
entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.

Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its
beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time
continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

Questioner: How does a third-density planet become a fourth density
planet?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.
The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the
striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has
enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different
vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be
molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your
people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit
complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the
spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and
point the compass in one direction.
Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people
the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal
complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the thirddensity
cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your
adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there
are few to harvest.
(…)

Logoi is name/label which precision depends upon undestanding and knowledge. We, here in this density, may operate with very general concepts of part of Creation named/labeled by Ra as an "Octave".
As We can understand, first/main Logoi were Creator. After that We have no means of understanding following divisions, until the materialization of this, material, Universe.

At least this is my current understanding. I'm more than open for discussion