Ra's possible distortion(s)

[Lux]

Greetings in the limitless light of the One that is all, The unmover that moves, the changeless that changes.

I have been contemplating seriously the fact that 'I' am a wanderer from Ra. As such, I am very interested to hear others opinions about Ra's possible distortions. I can't really put this thread without possibly infringing some, and as such I seek your forgiveness. All this post could be totally out of the mark, so trust your own guidance.

If you suspect that you are a wanderer of Ra's, then consider the fact that such distortion(s) must come into balance eventually, and according to Ra 7th density possible graduation is very near.

Here are some quotes to illustrate my claim. (Moderator, some quotes are from others source from Ra itself, so feel free to move this thread to a better place).

Ra is close to harvest to 7th density:

I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half million of your years and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it approaches in our space/time continuum.

If my memory serve me well, the sixth density is 60-70 millions years. Hence Ra's is really close to graduation, even if I am not sure time is really an issue for them.


1. Extreme Distortion toward Teaching:

However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach. - 1.10. Ra

Therefore, the imbalances that you would see as a disease are not always expressed in the societal complex. But, in general, we might suggest that such disease takes more the form of a desire or yearning to be of service in a certain way which is yet unfulfilled. Thus, that which is not in balance in the way of service and learning calls unto us in a manner which you might see as a vacuum which seeks to be filled. Quo 1987.08.23

Therefore, my friends, those who would act in the role of catalyst both for their own growth and that of their brothers should consider that their own efforts may serve only to influence unduly those about them, should those efforts be directed toward the turning of a brother or sister to a specific path. To be truly of service, the seeker, the wanderer, does not seek to teach, to lead, or to guide, for to do so would be to exert an influence upon a brother or sister much as those forces described earlier as positive and negative in the physical realm would exert a force upon other minute particles of matter. To truly serve, my friends, is not to pull or to tug but simply to exist, to be that which is immune to the pulling and tugging, which of itself seeks not to influence but rather to simply show. L/Leema 1986_0223

The philosophical aspects of our work have never been entirely clear because, as we said at the beginning, the only way that we can be of utterly positive polarity is to cease attempting in any way to influence the entities whom we love so dearly and are calling to us. Quo. 2008_0315

Third density with a lighter veil creates a wonderful [place] for entities to put themselves in the teaching situation. And the system of guru and chela, as known among your Buddhists, is very similar to the kind of enjoyment that third density upon Venus created.

[Cultural bias from Ra explain distortion toward Teaching]

We believe that we are at the apex of that which we can do and remain clear of the possibility of infringement. However, we say in all humility that we are not absolutely sure that, if we speak at all, we are not in some way infringing on the free will of those who may hear our words and be persuaded again their preferences of the truth of that which we have to offer.

It does not stop us from speaking. But this concern is enough to create in us the desire to mention the request, to each who hears or listens to our words, to be very responsible and to discriminate so that none of our words are taken on faith or simply because we say them. The reason for this mention at every contact is this concern on our parts.

The only way that we could avoid any possibility of infringement on free will of those on planet Earth is to stop speaking through instruments such as this one. Yet, the cry goes out from Earth. Many, many millions of you are seeking the truth. Therefore, we come in answer to a call and do not feel that we can turn away from the depth and profundity of this call at this time.

It heartens us to see your planet waking up, metaphysically speaking. We comfort ourselves that surely we could not have done too much damage.

2. Imbalanced amount of Responsibility:

The Ra group on your planet has incurred specific responsibilities as a result of their actions. This you are already aware of. For this reason the Ra group has responsibilities for debts, if you will, that must be completed. These responsibilities are unique to the Ra group, that the Ra group are members of the Federation as a whole. It would not be correct to assume, however, that the Federation or its individual members share in those unique responsibilities. Where the Ra group is discharging previously incurred responsibilities prior to their own advancement, we of Hatonn work at this time solely for advancement through service. Hatton

My brother, the Ra group has, in your distant past, attempted to accomplish specific works with your race. These efforts, although well intentioned, were not successful. Indeed, they resulted in setbacks for which the Ra group held itself responsible. In judging themselves responsible the Ra group obligated themselves to correct the deficiencies they caused. Hatton. 1981_0405

We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficacious. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times. Ra

Is not the intention that matter? Why does Ra feel the responsibility of cleaning the manifestations of their intention? This would imply a certain 'sense of control', which doesn't exist.


3. Pride:

We of Ra are humble messengers of the Law of One. We seek to teach/learn this single law

To claim oneself humble is definitely a sign of pride.


4. Tarot

Look again, O student

Note the emotional coloring of Ra's tone when the tarot is discussed.


5. Certain Lack of wisdom [Naive]

It was our naïve belief that we could teach/learn by direct contact and the free will distortions of individual feeling or personality were in no danger. Ra

We remind you that we are one of the naïve members of that Confederation and are still attempting to recoup the damage for which we feel responsibility. Ra

Wisdom is, to our best understanding, the ability to see each entity, each situation, and each thought within your illusion as absolutely perfect and in no need of alteration of any kind. Latwii

Now let's not forget that this Logos has a bias towards kindness. And it shows in Ra's case. There is a natural bias toward compassion, that was problematic for Ra, and I believe still is.

Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

The question then is, does Ra have to balance this bias toward compassion that is the choice of this logo for graduating to 7th? I believe so.

Do you see any others distortions?

Are there some distortions listed that you do not agree? If so why?

Thank you all.

[Ashim]

Welcome to the forum Lux.

For me the following passage explains how Ra as a group soul was able to use their experiences with planet earth to aid in the balancing of compassion and wisdom. Prior to their interaction with us this may not have been known to them. This could have been Ra's biggest 'mistake'.

The negatively oriented being will be one who feels that it has found power that gives meaning to its existence precisely as the positive polarization does feel. This negative entity will strive to offer these understandings to other-selves, most usually by the process of forming the elite, the disciples, and teaching the need and rightness of the enslavement of other-selves for their own good. These other-selves are conceived to be dependent upon the self and in need of the guidance and the wisdom of the self.

[Adonai One]

Being too boring and not explaining concepts more lucidly.

[Lux]

Being too boring and not explaining concepts more lucidly.

About not explaining concepts more lucidly.

The root problem is the nature of language I am afraid. That being said, one quote come to my mind.

"Clues, we may offer. Explanation is infringement. Ra.72.12 "

[Adonai One]

I think they need to take more risks because currently their words are abstract collages to most people.

[AnthroHeart]

I really wish I had stayed with Ra rather than incarnating in 3D. That way I could help with their distortions.
Many times in life I've tried to assist with their distortions, in order to smooth them,
because I know how certain distortions can suck.

[Unbound]

These suggestions seem like some major human nitpicking to me but I kind of see your point. I don't really agree with the inferences you have made from the quoted texts as they are majorly coloured, it appears, by your own expectations of what "perfect balance" must look like. For example, the claim that to call oneself humble is a sign of pride is, to me, a projection upon Ra of your own issues with pride or perhaps issues with people/entities claiming themselves to be anything of positive virtue. Also, the negative colouring of taking responsibility is peculiar to me, as I believe it is through taking responsibility that balance is achieved, not by simply extracting oneself from experience. I also highly disagree that a sense of responsibility is equated with a sense of control as Ra clearly views all as themselves and so to assist in balancing through responsibility they are in fact doing the work on their own distortions by that very responsibility.

The distortion towards teaching I also don't see as something needing 'balancing' as I view it that teach/learning is a central core of positive polarity. Yes, it is obvious that Ra has biases towards the positive polarity, and by their own recognition were overbalanced in compassion and spent a long time mastering the ways of wisdom. They are now working on unity, so that in itself means taking direct responsibility for every aspect of one's own experience in order to realize complete unity with all. That also would be my answer to your question whether Ra has to balance the compassion, is that they have already done that balancing and are working on a different order of balance now.

One of the problems I have with the way you have approached this assessment is that you have taken scattered ideas out of the context of the time in which they took place. It's like taking bits and pieces of a persons life and trying to discern their nature through those few bits and pieces. I am sure you have done much more study than that, by all means, but as it's presented here it seems like a patchwork of ideas that have been haphazardly sewn together.

That being said, I believe that if we actually want to help Ra balance the distortions they feel responsible for, it has nothing to do with "helping Ra" and everything to do with helping ourselves. As I understand it, it is not possible in third density to actually pinpoint the distortions of others, so this whole exercise seems flawed to me. I believe that Ra is responsible for and well aware of their own process of balancing and even as "Ra Wanderers" it is of little use to address the self through the lens of supposed distortions abstractly inferred through examination of the words Ra and others of the Confederation have spoken. I think that if we, Ra Wanderer or not, truly want to assist Ra it will be by working with ourselves to more clearly see and work with the Law of One on our level and that if we are Ra wanderers helping them to balance, then theoretically the contexts and contents of our own life should be designed by ourselves for exactly that purpose, so again it appears to be redundant to me to try to pinpoint the possible distortions of the Ra whom was channeled rather than to find, within ourselves, those aspects of ourselves which needs balancing and which will therefore by direct extension aid in the process of balancing Ra is engaged in.

[AnthroHeart]

If I was Ra, I'd probably want to help the brothers and sisters of sorrow through channeling as well. Or being there for them when they prayed to you. I've asked Ra for help with the energy I feel, but it's up to me. I try the breathing exercises, but they don't always work because there's deeper issues. It's not all energetic. It's a little bit of depression too. A little anxiety. A bit more sadness. A fondness for my doggies. And a longing for something more ET. A longing for home. Knowing it's so far away. I hope to go home and never return here.

It makes sense though to not try to pinpoint Ra's distortions. But to work with our own distortions in a sense. We can do that best through balancing ourselves. I don't make it my goal to help Ra with their distortions anymore, as I am unable to in 3D. We don't have the power to smooth 6D distortions. It's like smoothing a tidal wave with a slow current. Plus the period of their distortion ripples are measured in thousands if not millions of years. Whereas our distortions have periods of minutes even hours or days.

[Lux]

I am flaggerbasted by the amount of misunderstandings this post created. I can see that I expected too much, and that we are almost not speaking within the same 'scope'.

It is very difficult to have a discussion within those parameters.

Anyone else?

[Patrick]

I think they need to take more risks because currently their words are abstract collages to most people.

If Ra were to be any clearer or give any proofs, it would make the incarnation of anyone here completely useless. Also, I personally find their words very clear from my current point of view. But I had to first reach that point of view by myself, out of faith alone, before all they said became crystal clear to me.

This change in perspective would be pointless/weightless, maybe even impossible, without the confusion I incarnated into.

I see no point in trying to learn anything other than the ways of love down here (love of self alone or love of all), it's not about knowledge or information. Ra: "Understanding is not of this density"

It's all about making ONE basic choice over and over again in many forms that results in changes in perspective that goes deeper than anything we can possibly understand while incarnated here.

[Unbound]

I am flaggerbasted by the amount of misunderstandings this post created. I can see that I expected too much, and that we are almost not speaking within the same 'scope'.

It is very difficult to have a discussion within those parameters.

Anyone else?

Could you perhaps give more explanation to your thoughts as personally much of my own reflections on your post were affected by little to go on. Perhaps elaborate more clearly what you mean by the different distortions you have suggested?

I apologize if my other post came across obtuse, I remember being frustrated with other things at the time I wrote it.

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Also, to really make it clear my own thoughts, the reason I did not see any of those things as being the distortions of Ra is because I have never met Ra.

[Nicholas]

I see no point in trying to learn anything other than the ways of love down here (love of self alone or love of all), it's not about knowledge or information. Ra: "Understanding is not of this density"

It's all about making ONE basic choice over and over again in many forms that results in changes in perspective that goes deeper than anything we can possibly understand while incarnated here.

This statement is one of the clearest and to the point statements I have seen in my short time here at bring 4th. You know that turn of phrase 'they took the words right out of my mouth'. Well this is plucking my strings as words fail me in making a positive contribution to Lux's call for other perspectives.

Other than this... It is my feeling/knowing that a good portion of the members here are space/time representatives of the confederation. Therefore to add to Patrick's offering and re-affirm the sentiment offered by other members, on other threads, we are brothers, sisters and 'chose' to incarnate here in response to the sorrow we felt here at this time. Whether you be from this cosmic neighbourhood or another, we were primarily concerned with an harmonious as possible harvest, thus emanating our true colours in the midst of our inexperienced other selves, understandably caught up in the home densities web of drama and cluelessness. That knowing glint in our eyes only needs to meet another's, whether it be in a supermarket cue, or in a courtroom, and service has been attempted.

Right back to topic, by noting 'chose' I am referring to polarity beyond mid 6th density. In other words there IS no polarity. There is only service to 'the original thought' which is unity, logos, love. This is the essence of Ra's message.

I can identify with your sympathy here lex as I myself had similar thought's regarding Don. It is my understanding that his/her next experience will be one of 3rd density in order to balance his inability to process the catalyst he 'chose' to accept.

Just recalling this prayer I sent to him and offering of support to him beyond this incarnation, has reverberated somewhat.

Nearly 16 years ago I met my now fiancée, she was only 15 (I was 22). I was a pot head (addicted to hash) and one of the first nights of our smoking together she said in a state of anxiety, I quote "Nick I don't want to smoke anymore"... I ignored it. 18 months later during her first A level exam she broke down and was soon afterwards diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

My point in sharing this experience is that in my heart of hearts I 'felt' a sense of debt, a sense of responsibility. Such as the travels of a ripple created by the legs of a pond skater on the surface of a still lake, to effect anything, regardless of intention, is to effect the self.

This depth of Empathy is in my view the essence of why Ra will not budge on their self imposed honour/duty to reconcile this perversion of their intent.

Is there such a thing as a risk free path back to an eternal state of 'unspeakable joy'?

With love, brother.

Nick.

PS. To express my personality here I disagree with this neutral stance of making a choice, regarding polarity. We are here as a result of our BIAS! In service to other selves for goodness sakes! The only reason I enjoy observing the STS fools in this community (I call them fools because it is clear to me that STO yields far greater results!) is to learn from their attempts at polarising

[ChickenInSpace]

Greetings in the limitless light of the One that is all, The unmover that moves, the changeless that changes.

I have been contemplating seriously the fact that 'I' am a wanderer from Ra. As such, I am very interested to hear others opinions about Ra's possible distortions. I can't really put this thread without possibly infringing some, and as such I seek your forgiveness. All this post could be totally out of the mark, so trust your own guidance.

If you suspect that you are a wanderer of Ra's, then consider the fact that such distortion(s) must come into balance eventually, and according to Ra 7th density possible graduation is very near.

Here are some quotes to illustrate my claim. (Moderator, some quotes are from others source from Ra itself, so feel free to move this thread to a better place).

AN interesting subject ^^. When it comes to information, 3D incarnates seem to be drawn to infringement. I am, in any case.

Ra is close to harvest to 7th density:

I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half million of your years and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it approaches in our space/time continuum.

If my memory serve me well, the sixth density is 60-70 millions years. Hence Ra's is really close to graduation, even if I am not sure time is really an issue for them.

From my perspective I think this is a rather 'from-our-perspective' view. I wouldn't say that Ra is close to harvest to 7th density; I would rather say Ra can, and is seeking to, move closer to 7th density. Time is different for Ra and moves more in cooperation.

1. Extreme Distortion toward Teaching:

However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach. - 1.10. Ra

Therefore, the imbalances that you would see as a disease are not always expressed in the societal complex. But, in general, we might suggest that such disease takes more the form of a desire or yearning to be of service in a certain way which is yet unfulfilled. Thus, that which is not in balance in the way of service and learning calls unto us in a manner which you might see as a vacuum which seeks to be filled. Quo 1987.08.23

Therefore, my friends, those who would act in the role of catalyst both for their own growth and that of their brothers should consider that their own efforts may serve only to influence unduly those about them, should those efforts be directed toward the turning of a brother or sister to a specific path. To be truly of service, the seeker, the wanderer, does not seek to teach, to lead, or to guide, for to do so would be to exert an influence upon a brother or sister much as those forces described earlier as positive and negative in the physical realm would exert a force upon other minute particles of matter. To truly serve, my friends, is not to pull or to tug but simply to exist, to be that which is immune to the pulling and tugging, which of itself seeks not to influence but rather to simply show. L/Leema 1986_0223

The philosophical aspects of our work have never been entirely clear because, as we said at the beginning, the only way that we can be of utterly positive polarity is to cease attempting in any way to influence the entities whom we love so dearly and are calling to us. Quo. 2008_0315

Third density with a lighter veil creates a wonderful [place] for entities to put themselves in the teaching situation. And the system of guru and chela, as known among your Buddhists, is very similar to the kind of enjoyment that third density upon Venus created.

[Cultural bias from Ra explain distortion toward Teaching]

We believe that we are at the apex of that which we can do and remain clear of the possibility of infringement. However, we say in all humility that we are not absolutely sure that, if we speak at all, we are not in some way infringing on the free will of those who may hear our words and be persuaded again their preferences of the truth of that which we have to offer.

It does not stop us from speaking. But this concern is enough to create in us the desire to mention the request, to each who hears or listens to our words, to be very responsible and to discriminate so that none of our words are taken on faith or simply because we say them. The reason for this mention at every contact is this concern on our parts.

The only way that we could avoid any possibility of infringement on free will of those on planet Earth is to stop speaking through instruments such as this one. Yet, the cry goes out from Earth. Many, many millions of you are seeking the truth. Therefore, we come in answer to a call and do not feel that we can turn away from the depth and profundity of this call at this time.

It heartens us to see your planet waking up, metaphysically speaking. We comfort ourselves that surely we could not have done too much damage.

This is what I see. The sword is double edged. We cry for information, to be taught. Time and time again help comes but somehow it still all goes in odd twists and directions. When the help comes directly it is met by the distortion of separation; our most powerful distortion.

So lots of karma is set in motion both for Ra and humans. Ra continues to be bound by choice to help by choice for yearning of knowledge because if not there would be lessening of polarities, effect, level of help and cause long term knots for repetition of balance.

Ra has managed to chose little choice in distortion towards teching.

2. Imbalanced amount of Responsibility:

The Ra group on your planet has incurred specific responsibilities as a result of their actions. This you are already aware of. For this reason the Ra group has responsibilities for debts, if you will, that must be completed. These responsibilities are unique to the Ra group, that the Ra group are members of the Federation as a whole. It would not be correct to assume, however, that the Federation or its individual members share in those unique responsibilities. Where the Ra group is discharging previously incurred responsibilities prior to their own advancement, we of Hatonn work at this time solely for advancement through service. Hatton

My brother, the Ra group has, in your distant past, attempted to accomplish specific works with your race. These efforts, although well intentioned, were not successful. Indeed, they resulted in setbacks for which the Ra group held itself responsible. In judging themselves responsible the Ra group obligated themselves to correct the deficiencies they caused. Hatton. 1981_0405

We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficacious. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times. Ra

Is not the intention that matter? Why does Ra feel the responsibility of cleaning the manifestations of their intention? This would imply a certain 'sense of control', which doesn't exist.

See above point. Ra must continue to keep responsibility for the long term entanglement cause by rash desire and/or intention (to teach/learn). I think Ra does not want control and therefore takes the road of least direct action. It still means some interaction to gradually work away the wheels of karma set in motion but I believe they will be less and less.

3. Pride:

We of Ra are humble messengers of the Law of One. We seek to teach/learn this single law

To claim oneself humble is definitely a sign of pride.

What you see is what you want. How would you convey this information in Ra's place? I believe there is more to the simpler lines from Ra.

4. Tarot

Look again, O student

Note the emotional coloring of Ra's tone when the tarot is discussed.

Maybe. Maybe it is the magic aspect Ra assumes when delving into the archetype concepts. Essentially there is formality here that I think borders on ritual creating a more beneficial time/space for understanding archetypes without having to bless their work.

5. Certain Lack of wisdom [Naive]

It was our naïve belief that we could teach/learn by direct contact and the free will distortions of individual feeling or personality were in no danger. Ra

We remind you that we are one of the naïve members of that Confederation and are still attempting to recoup the damage for which we feel responsibility. Ra

Wisdom is, to our best understanding, the ability to see each entity, each situation, and each thought within your illusion as absolutely perfect and in no need of alteration of any kind. Latwii

Now let's not forget that this Logos has a bias towards kindness. And it shows in Ra's case. There is a natural bias toward compassion, that was problematic for Ra, and I believe still is.

Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

The question then is, does Ra have to balance this bias toward compassion that is the choice of this logo for graduating to 7th? I believe so.

Do you see any others distortions?

Are there some distortions listed that you do not agree? If so why?

Thank you all.

I think this stems from that Ra had a thinner veil and felt that the help from outside force helped alot and proceeded to in such a way help us. I believe Ra even said something like this?

Because the veil is stronger for us through the distortion of separation it created much more turmoil, which Ra perceived as greatly possible to do good but when applied turned sour in unexpected ways.

This is how I perceive the raised points any way.

[AnthroHeart]

I really wish I had stayed with Ra rather than incarnating in 3D. That way I could help with their distortions.
Many times in life I've tried to assist with their distortions, in order to smooth them,
because I know how certain distortions can suck.

I don't mean that anymore. I can't believe how immature I used to be, and still am in some ways.
Being here is great opportunity.
I am only responsible for my own distortions.
Sorry if my posts were off topic from the OP.

[unity100]

If my memory serve me well, the sixth density is 60-70 millions years

Such an exact info was not given if im not mistaken. 4th is 30 million years, and subsequent ones should take even longer, and 60 million is pretty short.

...........

Ra's major distortions come from their imbalanced love tendency, which they seem to have acquired during their 3d period.

They tell that this love imbalance helped them pass through 4th density very fast, however it required them to spend proportionally high amount of time in 5d, learning the ways of wisdom and freedom.

Ra tells that you cant rush through the octave. The ratios may change, but the overall time spent in the octave is always the same. Meaning, going too fast through 4th due to having an imbalance for green ray, was balanced by proportionately more time spent in 5d.

Or, maybe it wasnt...

Because we find Ra getting entangled with this planet with unwise acts during Egypt, assuming this was their first entanglement. Moreover we find them as the majority of recent wave of wanderer incarnation which started possibly in 1940s... As you can tell from the hippie movement's free love, unconditional acceptance and other extremely out of this world thoughts, its not difficult to conclude that there was a high amount of entities from Ra among those hippies. Especially considering that the main tool they used for learning in 3d and graduating to 4d positively was conscious use of sex for positive polarization.

Additionally we find Ra at the same time moving to this planet's 5d astral plane from Venus - those who did not incarnate, at least. This means they are spending more time in 5d, blue, learning the ways of wisdom.

Just because one graduates to 6d, or even nearing 7d does not mean that one can get away with imbalances in lower frequencies. And here is Ra, incarnating and being present in a planet that is pretty problematic in the ways of love, with many selfish entities and also irrational behavior patterns, having to face this environment which would require a high amount of wisdom on their part to navigate...

Its a teaching proposition alright. Universe does not waste anything. Ra brings the love, the planet provides the wisdom lessons...

There are additional tangents with 5d entities, their nature, traits of 5d, concept of freedom as it exists in 5d, Ra, transformation of a lot of hippies to conservatives or centrists, and also the manifestation of libertarian thoughts, and LL group's incarnation and manifestation on this planet which led them to the center of all such tendencies in an extremely conservative part of US, however its a long talk and i intend to open a thread about this very interesting topic later instead of talking about it in this post...

[AnthroHeart]

Didn't Ra say that it's been over a billion years since their 3D incarnations?

[unity100]

Didn't Ra say that it's been over a billion years since their 3D incarnations?

4 billion years to be accurate...

[AnthroHeart]

Didn't Ra say that it's been over a billion years since their 3D incarnations?

4 billion years to be accurate...

Age of Venus


According to Google, Venus is 4.5 billion years old.

That wouldn't have given the planet enough time to develop 3D let alone 2D life.
Unless time flows differently in higher density.

[unity100]

Unless time flows differently in higher density.

Yes, as Ra said about their 4d and later experiences, time flow is different there.

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=89#8

89.8 ▶ Questioner: How many of our years ago was Ra’s third density ended?

Ra: I am Ra. The calculations necessary for establishing this point are difficult since so much of what you call time is taken up before and after third density as you see the progress of time from your vantage point. We may say in general that the time of our enjoyment of the choice-making was approximately 2.6 million of your sun-years in your past. However— we correct this instrument. Your term is billion, 2.6 billion of your years in your past. However, this time, as you call it, is not meaningful for our intervening space/time has been experienced in a manner quite unlike your third-density experience of space/time.