Joe Rogan interviews Steven Greer and Amit Goswami this week.

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Here's the Steven Greer interview.

He talks about his history a bit and gets into his experiences with various people like politicians, CIA people etc. They focus a lot on free energy and the military-industrial-complex. He also talks about how to interact with the UFO phenomenon yourself called "close encounters of the 5th kind"(CE5). You can even download a phone app to help you. He's making a pretty interesting film that is mentioned. Joe has a new show called "Question Everything" on the Science Channel, it would be sweet if Greer's CE5 experiments got on there. They discussed the prospects of this a bit.

Here's Amit Goswami.

Oh boy. I haven't watched it yet but I excited for this one, I love the man and was shocked when I heard he was on the podcast. I dreamed about this and can't believe he's on! I'll put a short summary up after I watch.

EDIT: They cover quantum mechanics at the beginning and move on to experiments and mention Rupert Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief). They get into an interesting conversation about yoga, chakras, pharma drugs, psychology, the education system and marijuana.

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Thanks, will watch that this evening.

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It's funny I saw this thread before going to my friend's house and when I got there he was watching the Amit Goswami one Very interesting stuff!

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Synchronicity!

...What I thought was interesting was when Joe Mentioned a saying about QM along the lines of "no one understands QM... anyone who says they understand QM don't" by famous physicists of the early 20th century. Well Amit explains that to understand we must become more and more conscious... interesting indeed.

Lately I've been working with strictly what I know. Focusing on reality as it is. The phenomenon that make up conscious experience and the consciousness between the thoughts in meditation and my deep intuitions. That last one I have to be careful with though. I've mistaken ego-desire for intuition before. So after hearing that segment of the pod, I'm interested in revisiting Goswami's QM understanding as time goes on as I continue examining reality for myself through meditation or other means. I must do the experiment myself.

Alan Watts "reality is... [Alan gongs a gong]"

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...What I thought was interesting was when Joe Mentioned a saying about QM along the lines of "no one understands QM... anyone who says they understand QM don't" by famous physicists of the early 20th century.

Electrons, when they were first discovered, behaved exactly like particles or bullets, very simply. Further research showed, from electron diffraction experiments for example, that they behaved like waves. As time went on there was a growing confusion about how these things really behaved ---- waves or particles, particles or waves? Everything looked like both.

This growing confusion was resolved in 1925 or 1926 with the advent of the correct equations for quantum mechanics. Now we know how the electrons and light behave. But what can I call it? If I say they behave like particles I give the wrong impression; also if I say they behave like waves. They behave in their own inimitable way, which technically could be called a quantum mechanical way. They behave in a way that is like nothing that you have seen before. Your experience with things that you have seen before is incomplete. The behavior of things on a very tiny scale is simply different. An atom does not behave like a weight hanging on a spring and oscillating. Nor does it behave like a miniature representation of the solar system with little planets going around in orbits. Nor does it appear to be somewhat like a cloud or fog of some sort surrounding the nucleus. It behaves like nothing you have seen before.

There is one simplication at least. Electrons behave in this respect in exactly the same way as photons; they are both screwy, but in exactly in the same way….

The difficulty really is psychological and exists in the perpetual torment that results from your saying to yourself, "But how can it be like that?" which is a reflection of uncontrolled but utterly vain desire to see it in terms of something familiar. I will not describe it in terms of an analogy with something familiar; I will simply describe it. There was a time when the newspapers said that only twelve men understood the theory of relativity. I do not believe there ever was such a time. There might have been a time when only one man did, because he was the only guy who caught on, before he wrote his paper. But after people read the paper a lot of people understood the theory of relativity in some way or other, certainly more than twelve. On the other hand, I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. So do not take the lecture too seriously, feeling that you really have to understand in terms of some model what I am going to describe, but just relax and enjoy it. I am going to tell you what nature behaves like. If you will simply admit that maybe she does behave like this, you will find her a delightful, entrancing thing. Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possible avoid it, "But how can it be like that?" because you will get 'down the drain', into a blind alley from which nobody has escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.

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yup Feynman was mentioned by name. btw Amit Didn't say fully understands QM.

EDIT: That statement above was me being defensive. I think I should have said Amit's Model instead of understanding, I think that would be more appropriate because I can't get at his understanding because it's subjective... duh! I want to say I should have kept my opinion to myself and just stopped at the first post but that's just me damning myself. I'm trying be passionate while remaining compassionate. I was seeking power, right there is a plain old ego desire. I appreciate the Feynmann quote Zen.

"So do not take the lecture too seriously, feeling that you really have to understand in terms of some model what I am going to describe, but just relax and enjoy it." Works for me. Reminds me of Alan Watts. I think I was taking Dr. Goswami's model more seriously than even he.

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Rogan seems like a very interesting character. I have heard him interviewed on the Adam Carolla podcast several times; he always talks about getting an isolation tank for Adam.

I also just 'IMDB'd him and found this accredited to him:
DMT: The Spirit Molecule

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I see Joe Rogan everywhere these days. I think it's interesting that he's a big proponent of expansion of awareness now since I always used to think of him in terms of Fear Factor and UFC stuff, which seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum to me

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Joe is a hero. It's optimistic to think change has a tendency to manifest in the most unlikely of ways. Conscious comedians!

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Joe is a hero. It's optimistic to think change has a tendency to manifest in the most unlikely of ways. Conscious comedians!

Check out Bill Hicks and George Carlin if you like that sort of comedians.

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I like Louis CK too, here's a quote of his I like (in response to his daughter saying she's bored):

“I’m bored’ is a useless thing to say. I mean, you live in a great, big, vast world that you’ve seen none percent of. Even the inside of your own mind is endless; it goes on forever, inwardly, do you understand? The fact that you’re alive is amazing, so you don’t get to say ‘I’m bored.”

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I like Louis CK too, here's a quote of his I like (in response to his daughter saying she's bored):

“I’m bored’ is a useless thing to say. I mean, you live in a great, big, vast world that you’ve seen none percent of. Even the inside of your own mind is endless; it goes on forever, inwardly, do you understand? The fact that you’re alive is amazing, so you don’t get to say ‘I’m bored.”