Distortion and Vibration

[zenmaster]

Mod edit: The following 12 posts were split from the Ask me any question... thread.

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Let's not forget that earth natives have suffered the genetic manipulation of past visitors and as a result humans are not really the primal natives that our primitive ancestors were.

In the Ra material, "primitive" means "highly distorted". As one experiences the lessons of this density, they become less distorted. Again, the Earth natives (modified bodies and all) were the only ones who were able to arrive at a sufficiently undistorted state as to be harvestable. The transplants were not. That is what I was trying to point out.

[Shin'Ar]

Let's not forget that earth natives have suffered the genetic manipulation of past visitors and as a result humans are not really the primal natives that our primitive ancestors were.

In the Ra material, "primitive" means "highly distorted". As one experiences the lessons of this density, they become less distorted. Again, the Earth natives (modified bodies and all) were the only ones who were able to arrive at a sufficiently undistorted state as to be harvestable. The transplants were not. That is what I was trying to point out.

Thanks for pointing that out. That makes sense to me.

I don't know what the Ra material says on the matter, but I agree that distortion/vibration is certainly increases as a field of consciousness evolves.

My remark was in pointing to the fact that not all humans would be genetically pure aspects of earth, as in being comprised of only Earth originating DNA/genes, etc.

What exactly do you mean by transplants?

[zenmaster]

I don't know what the Ra material says on the matter, but I agree that distortion/vibration is certainly increases as a field of consciousness evolves.

The distortion decreases, vibration increases. Vibration increasing brings one to a higher 'subdensity'. Here, it is loosely correlated with polarization but is more of an experiential-capacity construct.

My remark was in pointing to the fact that not all humans would be genetically pure aspects of earth, as in being comprised of only Earth originating DNA/genes, etc.

Since 75,000 years ago, no humans are physically/genetically pure aspects of earth as far as I know. However, the native humans were originally part of this particular planet/sub-logos and have billions of years investment (1D+2D+3D) evolving with this particular archetypal mind. While those from Mars and elsewhere - Deneb, Maldek, etc have billions of years with those sub-logos systems.

[Shin'Ar]

I don't know what the Ra material says on the matter, but I agree that distortion/vibration is certainly increases as a field of consciousness evolves.

The distortion decreases, vibration increases. Vibration increasing brings one to a higher 'subdensity'. Here, it is loosely correlated with polarization but is more of an experiential-capacity construct.

My remark was in pointing to the fact that not all humans would be genetically pure aspects of earth, as in being comprised of only Earth originating DNA/genes, etc.

Since 75,000 years ago, no humans are physically/genetically pure aspects of earth as far as I know. However, the native humans were originally part of this particular planet/sub-logos and have billions of years investment (1D+2D+3D) evolving with this particular archetypal mind. While those from Mars and elsewhere - Deneb, Maldek, etc have billions of years with those sub-logos systems.

Agreed although I do not follow your definition of distortion as the decrease in vibration.

Vibration is vibration whether fast or slower. In your definition would not all vibration below that of its fastest point then be distortion?

[zenmaster]

Agreed although I do not follow your definition of distortion as the decrease in vibration.

Who said distortion is the decrease in vibration?

[Shin'Ar]

Agreed although I do not follow your definition of distortion as the decrease in vibration.

Who said distortion is the decrease in vibration?

that is how I understood what you say here:

"The distortion decreases, vibration increases."

[zenmaster]

Agreed although I do not follow your definition of distortion as the decrease in vibration.

Who said distortion is the decrease in vibration?

that is how I understood what you say here:

"The distortion decreases, vibration increases."

Vibration increases as distortion decreases. Not sure how else to state it.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[AnthroHeart]

High vibration feels like joy or bliss.

[zenmaster]

Rate of vibration is frequency. The subdensities correspond to a vibratory rate. As an entity evolves, it becomes less and less distorted and vibrates at a higher core vibration - this core vibration can be seen in violet ray. As an entity evolves, it also becomes less and less distorted.

Cicumstances can lower the expression of a vibration to the extent one is caught up in some distortion. But when what is causing that circumstantial distortion is eventually accepted, the distortion is removed. The whole process of raising one's vibration before some working is putting oneself in a centered state where the grosser distortions are simply not at one's immediate attention.

[Shin'Ar]

Rate of vibration is frequency. The subdensities correspond to a vibratory rate. As an entity evolves, it becomes less and less distorted and vibrates at a higher core vibration - this core vibration can be seen in violet ray. As an entity evolves, it also becomes less and less distorted.

Cicumstances can lower the expression of a vibration to the extent one is caught up in some distortion. But when what is causing that circumstantial distortion is eventually accepted, the distortion is removed. The whole process of raising one's vibration before some working is putting oneself in a centered state where the grosser distortions are simply not at one's immediate attention.

I won't go as far as to suggest that how anyone chooses to interpret distortion is wrong or right, but I would say that there should be a particular way that it is used in the Ra material which should not be used in a different way if one wants to get the actual meaning behind the message accurate.

It is my understanding, and that is certainly not substantial given my minimal study of the Ra Material to date, that when Ra uses the term distortion it refers to simple vibration, regardless of frequency or all of this scientific jargon that is spoke of here.

I interpret distortion to be vibration period.

There is stillness without distortion.

And where there is vibration there is a distortion of that stillness.

If you replace stillness with void, and distortion with thought, you have the means of creation.

Distortion as I understand it, is simply the distortion of stillness, like the ripples on the glassy surface of a lake.

distortion = disturbance

I must agree with Zen here that rate of vibration is its frequency. This is why they call it frequency. It is by measuring the frequency of particular pitches and valleys in the wave that particular frequencies are matched and designated.

I also agree with Zen that as a field evolves that frequency will also become of a higher pitch and increased rate.

What I do not quite understand is Zen's use of 'less distortion'. But then I often have trouble understanding Zen and am really not quite sure why that is and usually have to just let it go for the sake of cordiality.

I love Zen and have no desire to offend him or seek argument, and this regular inability of mine to understand his terminologies would only serve to end in offense. He has a few rough edges that come out in his efforts to make his point and I like to handle my bass with kid gloves. LOL Zen.

So to make my point and end it there with no further need to continue, in my thinking once stillness has been distorted, any distortion, regardless of its frequency, is distortion. There is no decreasing or increasing of it as any rate is still distortion of stillness.

So I can only assume that what Zen is speaking of is the various rates of frequency increasing or decreasing, and that I would be in harmonic frequency with.



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[zenmaster]

What I do not quite understand is Zen's use of 'less distortion'.

Ok Shin, I'll elaborate for you. It's really congruent with the Ra material.

As an example, a 3D individual starts out their journey in a highly distorted, or unorganized, state. As they are able to make use of experience, the distortions are removed and overall distortion is lessened.

As an example, we may think of a 'primitive' tribe as innocent and pure. In the sense of freedom from seemingly needless complexities and even social neurosis. But in the sense of their actual capacity for acceptance, while they may be relatively simple, they are highly "distorted" as any would be within that subdensity. Such is the nature of distortion which is discussed in the material.

Many people, including Carla, do not understand the nature of distortion, in its developmental sense, as it has been used throughout the material. So it's not surprising that we have all the different takes on it.

[Shin'Ar]

If I may try to keep this topic together, might I ask the Mod to retitle the thread 'Harmonic Attachment To a Logos', as that is more defining of this topic than distortion and vibration.

Azrael, in his thought process about harmonics in vibration, had asked Godwide to comment on the harmonic connection between Earth nativity and the Planetary logos, in the more inclusive aspect of the helix or The All. More or less speculating about the variations in frequencies between logos and cosmos, and how identity may be specifically related to the evolved attributes of the logos it is harmonically attached to. Please add to this if you like AZ.

Azreal said,

“Godwide, I would like you to touch upon identity and its relations to harmonics and the arising of interference patterns within the medium of consciousness, if you have something you might say on the matter. I would also ask if you could give an idea of what the Divine Plan as Substance might imply?”

I had made a remark that not all humans are actually completely native to this logos anymore as we had been genetically manipulated with alien DNA. Whereupon AZ responded,

""Alien DNA", compared to what? Do you suggest that there are humans that are not working with the Helix genetic structure? Our bodies were created on this planet, from the materials of this planet, with information that is connected to this planet (regardless of its origin in time), and so, we are the primal natives of this planet."

And this is where Zen came in speaking on the decreased distortion of the primitive human being more able to evolve than transplants because :

"In the Ra material, "primitive" means "highly distorted". As one experiences the lessons of this density, they become less distorted. Again, the Earth natives (modified bodies and all) were the only ones who were able to arrive at a sufficiently undistorted state as to be harvestable. The transplants were not. That is what I was trying to point out.”

In the discussion of harvesting and origin on this planet, both AZ and Zen seem to be suggesting that only natives to this planet were able to evolve to the degree necessary to be harvested. And that transplants were not.

Zen and I will have to agree that our individual usage of the term ‘distortion’ has different meaning to each.

So what I read in their thoughts here is that 'transplants' did not evolve, whereas 'modified humans' did evolve.

This was in response to this post made in another thread, where Godwide said

"Entities incarnating here from xenodimensional or extraplanetary sources are not as susceptible to adopting and playing out these distortions to the extreme degree which native entities do, yet nevertheless the gamut of distortions here are the default preset biases which must be operated with as these are the reflections of the emotional complex of the Logos."

And where you responded by saying this:

"I thought the exact opposite - that the earth natives were in the minority, being more harmonious with people and the planet. While the transplants from Mars, for example more biased towards those tendancies/distortions? After all, the native-earth entities were among those that were harvestable at the end of the last cycle?"

So here you are suggesting that the Earth natives evolving during the last cycle of evolution would have evolved according to the specific essences of this planetary Logos, at a more efficient rate because of their harmonic bind to the planet. This seems to be in full agreement with what Godwide said when he espoused that, 'the gamut of distortions here are the default preset biases which must be operated with as these are the reflections of the emotional complex of the Logos.'

And yet as you responded you made it sound like you were in disagreement by saying you thought the opposite. 'Confusing to us lesser evolved states of being that still think in terms of fields rather than density.'

Now the issue being discussed is whether or not there is some sort of harmonic frequency designed into beings which have evolved on earth, that would enable a more efficient degree of evolution when in this planetary field, compared to beings who have been transplanted here from the fields of other logos. This is response to the thought process around the harvesting of earth primitives in the last cycle that were genetically manipulated with alien DNA.

Az, Godwide, and ZenMaster seem to be in agreement that there is such a harmonic connection between the varying frequencies of various logos to the natives of their constituency.

I have suggested that as human primitives were genetically manipulated with alien DNA that such a harmonic connection to the Earth Logos may have also been altered.

AZ or Godwide, you are more studied regarding harmonic frequency. Can you speak to the science of vibration regarding DNA. Is DNA not also a ‘form’ that vibrates at a specific frequency, and if the DNA coding of a gene is manipulated is that vibration and frequency not also altered?
And if so, would that alteration not affect the harmonic balance with the Logos from which it spawned??

And it is here where I once again pick up on the point that I was trying to reach before this all got railroaded. And by the way GWV, my apologies for enabling this to build on your ask me any questions thread. I had tried to avoid that in the past but there are so many threads to keep track of that I forget which ones I am in at times.

Anyway, my thinking on this matter of logos attachment is this:

Evolution occurs via the experience of The One. That experience occurs via the experiences of the All. Therefore the experiences of the All cannot be seen as separate from the One, regardless of where in the cosmic design or process of being each aspect of The all finds its origin. The true origin is as the One, not as a fragment.

It always comes back to origin which has been a hot topic in another thread.

Origin is infinite and to designate it to a particular planetary field just because a fragment may have started evolving there is really not considering the true origin of that fragment as a vibration of The One, regardless of where The One chooses to establish its staring line.

For example, if I am The One, and I choose to be in a different galaxy than ours where I think and begin a new field of consciousness there in that place, am I not still The One thinking and creating regardless of where in my Grand design that takes place?

As a matter of fact, is it not logical to assume that The One, being in all places at all times, infinitely, would actually have no one place where a different origin of consciousness would occur?

I understand the idea behind harmonics, but it is also my understanding that a Logos is simply a more highly evolved field of consciousness having reached the state of being where its field contains many more other forms than what it did as a field of consciousness having taken human form. Nevertheless, the logos is still just a fragment of the One, as is the field that takes human form.

And this is where the delusion of identity comes into play. Because the human is physically trained to think of the Logos in terms of identity just as they do their own identities. They put a familiar face on God. And then claim to be created in its image. This is brainwashed into us by our method of interacting with our environment and attaching ourselves to it as children of what we are familiar with and what we can comprehend.

And because of this when we attempt to consider the Logos, we do so similarly as identities.

Remember Yahweh?

And in this frame of mind when trying to comprehend the harmonics of each logos we are doing what we have always done, and we create ourselves in its image, even as vibrations.

In my thinking this is inaccurate in the same way that it is inaccurate to suggest that a fragment field is somehow different than The Source Field.

I realize that we are talking here about vibration and the many alterations that vibration takes in the process of being from its conception at The One and throughout its evolution as a fragment. And I realize that vibration involves the presence of harmonic waves which establish the frequency of exact pitches.

What you are suggesting is that this harmonic frequency is what specifies the efficiency of the evolution of natives specific to a particular logos because the frequencies will be the same or harmonious at least.
And yet you acknowledge that every form is in a state of vibration which is shifting in vibration as it evolves.

What I am saying is that, regardless of logos or origin, every form is vibrating and evolving as it experiences existence. If you move the dial on the radio even a touch, you begin to lose connection with that specific frequency and its harmony with you is dissolved. Frequency is not a matter of similarity or proximity. It is a matter of exact pitch and decline of the very specific harmony of that frequency. The harmony is in the frequency of exact replication. It is not in the origin of it, as its own origin has also altered from its replication of the frequency from which it spawned; the One.

And this is the divine design playing out. The One Source Field emitting thought fields that immediately begin to alter in vibration, and frequency, as they extend from that source. This is the process of being in which every emitted process evolves as it gains in awareness and realization of its origin, in essence returning to the same frequency and harmony of its Source Field.

A feat that will never be achieved as that source remains a Mystery to The All.

I think that as fields evolve into higher being they do become more similar to that original Source Field and will realize more harmony with that frequency, just as the closer one gets to the actual frequency of the radio station one will begin to enter into harmony with it.

The difference here is that the radio station exists beyond the void and cannot be fully acquired from this existence.

It is my contention that all fields vibrate according to emission from The Source Field, and evolve according to the experiences gained during interaction with their environment, regardless of location or proximity to any other particular fragment of that Source Field.

All, logos and lower, evolve according to The One Design.

That a field may find itself in a form that interacts in an environment far from its Source Field, is natural, and yet you attempt to suggest that when a field finds itself in a form that is removed from the logos where it may have begun its journey, would be unnatural. Is this not a contradiction?

How much further would a fragment be from Its Source, which you deem natural development, compared to the distance between Logos fields?

The harmony with the One is not disrupted by frequencies of its fragments. It is disrupted solely by its emission into existence for the purpose of fulfilling its Design and process of being. And that evolution takes place regardless of location within the design.

Now the question of harvesting during cycle shifts and harmonic compatibility with the specific logos where that shift is taking place, is no longer an issue when taken into its greater context of Source and fragment.

Whether from Mars or some planetary sphere in a far off galaxy, every fragment, logos and lower, above and below, constantly alter in vibration according to experience and interaction with matter, not in accordance with specific logos frequencies, which are also continually altering as they evolve.

Nothing remains constant; not even the evolving Source. So how can we speculate that any one fragment would have a constant perfection or harmony with any other, even the logos in which they spawn?

The only constant is the Divine Design established by The One; The Process of Being. It is the same now as it has always been and all forms of creation dance with that same exact fire burning within. That Sacred Flame is the only constant, and that exists beyond the vibrating physical of the material.

Creator= Process of being= Creation
One Consciousness=Thought=matter
Source Vibration=field vibrations=altering frequencies
Source=fields= evolution
Light=flame=All
Spirit= Nwyfre=matter


This is the understanding of The ancients:

“May we always remember the Sacred Fire that dances within the form of every creation.”

And to you I say “EVERY creation”!

It was implied in the beginning of this thread that harmony with this logos would enhance the evolution of fields originating in this logos. Also implying that what is being considered is physical form attached to genetic planetary sphere.

In my equations above I hoped to reveal that trying to consider evolution in the confines of temporary physical restraint cannot evaluate the state of any evolving field of consciousness existing far beyond any physical restraint.

When we ignore the Sacred Flame, evaluation of evolution cannot be accurately considered. It is the Flame which constitutes the ability of evolution, and that flame is found in All.

[Siren]

I interpret distortion to be vibration period.

There is stillness without distortion.

And where there is vibration there is a distortion of that stillness.

If you replace stillness with void, and distortion with thought, you have the means of creation.

Distortion as I understand it, is simply the distortion of stillness, like the ripples on the glassy surface of a lake.

distortion = disturbance

This is basically correct, and quite perceptive.

Distortion derives from L. distortus, pp. of distorquere "to twist different ways, distort," from dis- "completely" + torquere "to twist." And here we pluck an interesting word: torquere; which translates to modern day torque, which literally means "rotating force."

Consider now for a moment, what is the Logos?

This "torque" or rotating force is the Love/Thought/Focus behind the Creation. The "first movement," or torsion, if you will, in its turning, spiraling, rotating action, generated further and further motion, kinetic, energy across its Creation. Thus we have that first "ripple," if you will, that reverberated down into further rippling waves, vibrations, frequencies. In other words, dis-torsion lead to further dis-tortion (this is in no way a "bad" or unwanted result—the word/concept "distorsion" should not be seen under such negative light).

And just as the Creation was unfolded from that "first movement"—that generating, creative principle that is the Logos—so too shall the Creation fold back unto itself. For such are the rhythms of Creation: from un-distortion to torsion/distorsion to un-distortion. Thus beats of the Heart of the One Infinite Creator.

Naturally, less distortion brings one closer to the vibratory state of the Logos in its relative un-distortion at the "beginning" of Creation, shall we say, which is approaching the stillness, or silence, of Intelligent Infinity.

Thus I agree with Shin'Ar in this one particular point specifically: in the stillness of the void, there is no motion, no tortion, no sound, and no distortion (potential movement, sound and distortion, however, is ever there!).

[zenmaster]

I see but doubt that the physical modifications were sufficient to change the mind/spirit complex to the extent of divorcing one from the logos. As we know, the harvestable natives held strong though 25,000 more years of evolution in that body. The physical body merely provides a particular set of limitations with which to enjoy.

[Shin'Ar]

Thus I agree with Shin'Ar in this one particular point specifically: in the stillness of the void, there is no motion, no tortion, no sound, and no distortion (potential movement, sound and distortion, however, is ever there!).

I am aghast with distortion!