Polarize STS then flip?

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Oh, never mind, Black Dragon was talking about that Laurency thing. Missed that. I was wondering why he was talking about a "Black Lodge" or some s***.

Still, what I said stands. Can't be too sure of the LOO channelings. Best take them with a grain of salt. I do not doubt however Ra's assertion of the oneness of all things. That I recognize as very "resonant" to use modern New Age lingo.

[Black Dragon]

Oh, never mind, Black Dragon was talking about that Laurency thing. Missed that. I was wondering why he was talking about a "Black Lodge" or some s***.

Still, what I said stands. Can't be too sure of the LOO channelings. Best take them with a grain of salt. I do not doubt however Ra's assertion of the oneness of all things. That I recognize as very "resonant" to use modern New Age lingo.

Yeah, I was talking about the Laurency material, and generally a good portion of the early 20th century or older occult works that involve "spiritual hierarchies", "ascended masters" or whatnot passing judgment and controlling us in very similar ways to the STS factions...all that old, dreary, judgment filled, prison planet/inherent sin bullshit, and the ramblings of those who take part in little elitist occult boys clubs and whatnot rather than being an actual humanitarian.

As far as the LOO material? Most of it resonates, but I'm skeptical of a few small points here and there that do not resonate, and skeptical overall of this architecture that requires extreme polarity that creates excess suffering for spiritual advancement. Like why do I have to be a predator or a blindly accepting prey animal to make spiritual progress? Why do I either have to s*** on people, or accept any and all forms of being s*** on? What if I'm not down for either of those two options? 3d forever? s***'s busted, the architecture of this logos is pretty bunk. Definitely needs a bit of a "patch", if you will, from my standpoint. At least with the STO path I allegedly have "49%" of my energy available to set boundaries and say no to being a sheep and look out for my own happiness and well being in ways that don't screw anybody else, so there's that I guess.

[sillypumpkins]

It sounds like Ra's words are expected to be taken on blind faith as Gospel Truth or some s***. How is that any less dogmatic really than the religions of the past?

For me, it really doesn't sound like the words are to be "expected" that they are taken on blind faith.

In the introduction of the first book, it's said that they're not presenting this as a "treatsie of opinion," and they even state that they aren't going to try and defend it's validity. And they don't. If they did.... well... that'd be another story. They leave it up to the free will of the reader if they want to accept it as true. That speaks volumes to me.

Personally, for me, a big part of why it rings true (again, for me) is because it's presented in such a way that there doesn't seem to be any agenda. Ra is (allegedly) a sixth-density social memory complex of positive polarity. At no point (that I can remember at least,) does Ra ever "root" for that path. It's always about free will, choosing your own experience, even if that means going down the path of darkness.

Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

The expression of the above quote is exuding with acceptance, unity, and all dat good stuff!! And that's why it rings true for me. Not all of it resonates with me, but I don't label that stuff as "false" or anything.... yknow?

Anyway, they are "humble messengers" after all they aren't missionaries

I'm not trying to change your perspective, just presenting my view on it

Be well!

[Agua]

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[sillypumpkins]

Well said agua!!

Why do I either have to s*** on people, or accept any and all forms of being s*** on?

I don't think it has to be one or the other. Just because you accept the fact that others get s*** on, does not mean you have to lay down and just let it happen. You can accept the fact that it's a reality of this density, and still help in any way you see fit.

There's a difference between saying "oh, people get f***** over all the time, it's how it is, best not interfere/get involved," and saying "people get f***** over all the time. I can accept this fact, but I am not going to let it happen if I can help it"

I hope that makes a little bit of sense. I don't think accepting the fact that others get f***** necessarily means that one doesn't take action. You can accept the fact of the matter, but still do something about it. Maybe not all the time. I think the dichotomy of "wolf vs sheep" gets people stuck sometimes...

I've noticed on the forum sometimes (not talking about you necessarily agua, just other users) that people view others on the STO path are sort of.... idk overly-passive, sunshiney, overly accepting. There are certainly people who are like that, but I don't think a STO entity needs to orient themselves like that in the world to polarize positively. There is a balance. It's not like the STO requirement is 95%+/5%-.

It sort of reminds me of shadow work. When one can identify the negative qualities/traits within themselves (or others) wholly, and not act on them, it gives the individual much power. It sort of applies here, in a similar way. One can recognize the negative qualities of humanity, all the suffering that we cause each other, but instead of just letting it happen, you can do something about it if the opportunity presents itself. Idk, that was kind of an off-the-cuff connection. Someone can elaborate more on that if they'd like

This sort of reminds me of something that happened yesterday:

I was meeting up with someone in public to buy something ($350, not chump change for me,) and felt a little anxious about it for whatever reason. I said to myself, "there's a good chance I might get f***** over here, so I better cover all my bases just in case." So, from this guy's phone #, I found out his name, address, where he works, his wife's name, all this stuff. I also found out he has a criminal record, including fraud, conspiracy, obtaining money under false pretenses, and a couple other things.

Some might call me stupid for going forward with it after reading that, and maybe I was.

My point is, I was prepared if something messed up went down. If something crazy happened (which it didn't thankfully,) I was prepared to, call this guys work, tell his wife, all this stuff, if he f***** me over. I didn't necessarily want to do that, and I wouldn't have taken pleasure in it, but I was prepared to do it.

Upon reading about this person I was meeting with, there are a few things I could have done

1.) I could've just not met up with him upon reading this info and judging the potential of the situation. Others would maybe call this "playing it safe"
2.) I could've went forward with trepidation, and if it had happened, I would've been upset, and if it didn't, I would probably still be a mess
3.) I could've prepared myself for the worst, kept my sword in it's sheath (excuse the "heroic" tone) and went forward, hoping for the best, expecting the worst.

Everybody on here would've chosen something different. I guess my point is, I accepted the fact that something negative, f***** up could have happened to me. But I didn't lay down and let that stop me from getting what I wanted. I accepted the fact that there was a negative potential, and I acted in a way that empowered me to move forward and act if such a thing did happen

I know it's an anecdote pertaining to "me" and not an "other", but it's the same thing. You can read what I just typed up and apply it to others and it will still carry the same message imo...

Anyways, I hope that makes a little bit of sense. This is just how I understand it

[Agua]

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[sillypumpkins]

Lol okay yes I missed the quotation marks, that's my bad!! I did think it was a curious thing for you to say

[EvolvingPhoenix]

@Agua

Yeah, channeled material is something I don't trust anymore, not even the Ra material.

As for polarity, f*** polarity. I just don't care any more.

I'ma do whatever feels best for me, whatever that is. It doesn't seem to be black magick, but I'm not concerned with being "positive" either. I'm just gonna live my life. I don't care about graduation, polarization or any theoretical "mission" other than what I come up with here on Earth.

That's how I am about it lately.

[sillypumpkins]

Rock on Phoenix!!

[Aion]

I consider myself a free thinker and don't really adhere to any dogma, but I do like to quote things because I often feel there is something special about sharing a thought that another manifested. Rather than always needing to reword things in my own way, I like to reference the many great concepts I have encountered in the various writings I've read. I use a lot of Ra Material quotes in particular here only because that's what this forum is built around.

I think it's always important to carve your own path and stay true to yourself, wherever that takes you. You do you, mate.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

As long as the idea expressed is true, who cares where iy came from? It all ultimately comes from tge same source anyway.