Venus: Extreme Light and ... Love?

[unity100]

Most channelings of Lucifer indicate that Venus is the origin of the Lucifer logos. This is not a rumor. Venus is highly associated with occult activity, particularly as associated with sex and the integration of sexes.

'lucifer logos' phrase is rather odd.

had this lucifer persona/group become a star somewhere in this galaxy or universe ? or, is the logos word being used here to denote an entity, a focus, just like all other focuses, entities existing in this universe, as sub-sub-sub-(whatever degree)-sub logoses of other logoses ?

if so, why the need to particularly name them as such, since every existing entity is a sub-logos.

The thread in question is an interview of the individual with the name Hidden Hand on Above Top Secret forums. An individual that claims to be a lifetime channeler of Lucifer of an 'elite' bloodline. An individual that also acknowledges the accuracy of the Law of One when presented with a question relating to such. The thread in question can be found here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

if, 'elite', 'bloodline' etc concepts are in the mix, that would make the concept a negative concept. from 3 to early 6th.

I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.

Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.

this is what comes up in the link above, from that 'channeler' of lucifer.

i dont know why anyone would lend any credence to this kind of thing, in any way, unless they are wanting to walk a negative path, or want to observe negativity in order to learn and identify it.

Questioner: How many of our years ago was Ra’s third density ended?

Ra: I am Ra. The calculations necessary for establishing this point are difficult since so much of what you call time is taken up before and after third density as you see the progress of time from your vantage point. We may say in general that the time of our enjoyment of the choice-making was approximately 2.6 million of your sun-years in your past. However—we correct this instrument. Your term is billion, 2.6 billion of your years in your past. However, this time, as you call it, is not meaningful for our intervening space/time has been experienced in a manner quite unlike your third-density experience of space/time.

Questioner: What was your reason for leaving?

Ra: I am Ra. We wished to be of service.

Questioner: Were some of Ra’s population negatively harvested at the end of Ra’ s third density?

Ra: I am Ra. We had no negative harvest as such although there had been two entities which had harvested themselves during the third density in the negative or service-to-self path. There were, however, those upon the planetary surface during third density whose vibratory patterns were in the negative range but were not harvestable.

according to the above, there were only 2 entities getting harvested as negative, from Ra's 3rd density.

since 3rd density is short, a 75,000 year cycle, i dont see any chance that there would another society complex would graduate from that planet during that period.

since, all but 2 entities have graduated as positive, and formed Ra complex, i dont see any other entities forming another society complex either.

technically, this negates the proposition that some group or groups named lucifer, are society complexes from venus.

That's exactly what the dialogue says. I just digested all the information for a second time. Lol! An interesting point that I missed last time around was that Lucifer differentiate themselves from the Orion entities. Although the Orion entities do hail to them in fear, being as they're still in 4th density (neg), they don't see, or don't acknowledge, the wisdom behind Lucifer's offering of catalyst to earth, and henceforth are in it for their own selfish desires.

more negative behavior patterns ...

No, Hidden_Hand said straight out that he/she was purposely of the negative orientation for the sake of the contract that Lucifer made in bring the "other choice" to the inhabitants of the planet.

I don't know though, it's all confusing.

what contract in the first place anyway ... orion has been working in middle east since 1600 BC.

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all i understood from reading these info, has been that there is just another negative source. this may be that person only, or there may be disincarnate/external entities encouraging/contacting it, or there may be something else.

however it doesnt matter. its just another negative behavior set, and it doesnt seem to have any behaviors associated with 6d either, even if negative.

personally i wouldnt lend any credence to this, or anything associated or originating from them.

[unity100]

now,

there is the fact that 3d experiences/cycles can continue on a planet that has had a harvest. this is what we understand from what Ra says about what is probably going to happen on this planet after harvest ends and it becomes 4d.

it is possible that other 3d cycles happened in venus. if, they did. but, the thing is, the completion of the first 3d cycle and creation of a society complex in 4d, makes the planet a planetary entity. not only that, but it also makes that planet and its future societal complex totality, a totality in themselves.

the 'planet' as an entity is defined as thus, from what we understand. there may be other details.

now. is it possible, for a planet, to be positive planet by definition, and then have a negative 3d harvest in another cycle ?

what will happen to planet's (therefore the existing society complex's) future, totality ?

since there is already a 4d complex there, will a negative society complex in 4d be able to form ?

how, then, will that planet still stay a positive planet afterwards ? we know that there are positive and negative planets exist. so, there has to be a concept as thus.

so then, logically, even if there is a harvest in which negatives are harvested, it is unlikely that a society complex of those will not be able to form on that planet that is already positive. this means, even if there are negative entities harvested, they will have to go to another planet.

this removes the possibility of a 'lucifer' negative society complex forming up, and being from venus.

[Joseph326]

Greetings Unity 100!

I have yet to figure out how to quote parts of the thread on here so I hope that you will know what part I am replying to O_o

I appreciate and enjoyed the explanation you provided regarding love. Just to be clear I was not speaking in a specific sense towards love of fourth density only. I was referring to the Love that exists as a manifestation of 8D which you mentioned, and I agree that the four letter vibration which we have assigned to it does little to describe It.

This is the closest description I found to the Love that I am referring to:

"Earlier, the one known as R stated that all of the creation was made up of nothing but thought-forms and we find this to be a perceptive point. THE ORIGINAL LOGOS, THAT THOUGHT OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, HAS INDEED SPUN OUT THE LIGHT TO MANIFEST ALL THAT THERE IS. Consequently, each entity is a form created by the Thought of love, and patterned out in the ways of love by light. In that sense each of you is a thought-form, your physicality being less real then your essence as a spark of that Logos."
~Q'uo 2/14/2009~

While I make no claim to know what exists beyond the eighth density, I am operating under the thought that all that is, at least in our octave, is manifested by the Love of the Original Logos through various vibrations and densities of light. Perhaps there are more octaves comprising Intelligent Infinity. Perhaps not. There is no way for me to prove one or the other in our current density of vibration and state of awareness.

My main point, if I may restate it, was acceptance and love of each and every other self. Acceptance and love of every part of the self. Which translates to acceptance and love of every part of the Original Thought which creates, contains, shapes, reshapes and IS all that is in our octave. I do, for example, prefer to stay away from entities such as Lucifer at the present time. I also realize, however, that as I journey back to the One Infinite Creator, I will reach a point where polarity cannot continue and I must be prepared to accept and love every entity as part of myself. There cannot be fear of any kind, not even of a social memory complex such as Lucifer or the Orion group, if true balance, or seeking without polarity is to be achieved. As I quote Ra below: *ALL* serve the One Infinite Creator.

[unity100]

this is not about love or acceptance. this is about truth.

if, lucifer - if it is a society complex at all - is a negative society complex, its acceptance wouldnt mean that acceptance of any lies or misinformation they put forth.

it should be honest and truthful. basically, if lucifer is a negative complex, it should put forth whatever it is, and its beliefs, and anyone who are to accept them should accept them as such, love them, to love them as such.

this is the basis that lies behind 6d unity that happens in early 6d. ra says, 6d advancement requires honesty. so probably from that point on, lying to self or others becomes a problem for negative constructs.

however any negative complex under 6d cant be expected to not to lie or provide misinformation. so, it cant be expected that lucifer (or whomever he is) to tell the truth.

but, this is their thing, and it doesnt change the fact that, for a positive entity, acceptance of another self does not mean acceptance of lies as truth. the positive entity should know the entity it is accepting in all bare honesty, and accept that entity as such.

[Joseph326]

I apologize for not being more clear in my usage of the term 'acceptance.' I would not suggest that one believe in the lies and untruths offered (or imposed) by another entity as part of their spiritual evolution (unless that's what you truly want to do). What I intended to convey was the acceptance, forgiveness, and love of any entity, regardless of what lies or negative acts it has participated in. This does not mean that one needs to buy into negativity or believe untruths. I do believe that it is quite useful and important to be aware of as much as one possibly can, however it does not serve one well to focus much upon negativity if the intent is to grow in positive polarization.

So in my opinion at least, it would be most effective to become aware of the nature of another entity, love/forgive them for any perceived harm, accept that they are mirroring a part of yourself on some level, work upon that part of the self if it is desired to change it, and always keep focus upon what reality you want to create.