Spiritual composition in relation to individualized sense of self

[Kotalam]

Hello Everyone,

I have been thinking lately about what is actually going on in individualized sense perception paired with conceptual frames of what is the self and other. That is a horribly vague sentence but I am having trouble giving words to what I am wondering about. I understand based on the Ra material that each of us is a mind/body/spirit complex (MBSC) and that as one emerges into greater realities that separate self begins to identify as a portion of a social memory complex. Then from there emerging into greater and greater awareness of the true self or as is described in various Hindu texts as the Atman.

I am curious what others think about what constitutes "you" given these various interpretations. It seems that the Ra material describes a MBSC as having elements functioning in on different planes of existence. Each of course has varying degrees of awareness and thus varying conceptualizations of what constitutes their personalized I-ness or me-ness. It also seems that on different levels, one can be aware of these "other" selves while simultaneously experiencing an individualized perception.

Does this mean there are other selves connected to us in higher planes that are existing separately and physically on other planets in 3rd density? For instance, I believe myself to be an individual. However, am I simply a fragment? If I were to have my awareness combined with say 100 other fragments then regains some lost sense or truer sense of self? I am finding it incredibly difficult to articulate this.

Say their are 100 3rd density beings in the milky way that are a portion of my I-ness or me-ness. They live on different planets and they have different personality traits. Each has their own individualized perception that this density manufactures for them. They would be in large part unaware of each other but intimately connected. I would not perceive them as "me" in this density. Nonetheless they could form the greater I-ness from a higher density, say 4th and up. If this is true than it means that I as an individual could be a fragment experiencing the illusion rather than a whole being. While "whole being" is a bit of a misnomer. None of us, or maybe most of us rather, in effect are truly whole beings anyway. I am just trying to understand relatively how the interconnection functions for individual awareness or individual beings currently bound to 3rd density. It seems that anyone who is truly a wanderer would have a more fully developed and integrated self. A wanderer could possibly lack that fragmentary nature and actually be more "whole" relatively thinking. Meaning they may not have other 3rd density selves on their own or other planets that are part of a higher density conceptualization of MBSC.

I understand that Social/Memory Complexes are a order of magnitude beyond this even. I recognize also I may be confusing MBSC and social memory complex. However, it was my understanding that a social memory complex was more akin to the meta-self of an entire species or civilization as opposed to the possibility of being a fragmented self as part of a larger conception of MBSC. Is the MBSC totally contained within a single 3rd density human with no correlates on this planet or other planets in 3rd density? I am just trying to nail the idea down so I have a better understanding of this material. I am sorry if my writing is not clear enough. I still feel like I am not completely asking what I want to in the way I want to.

How does one know if they are in fact a wanderer or a native? What constitutes this localized illusory self I call "I"? For a wanderer would it simple be what is bound in on this planet? Could a native actually be a more diluted self? I am not asking this to drive some sort of hierarchy of what is better or worse. Just exploring. Once again I apologize for the disorganized nature of this post. I recognize I asked a lot of questions. I am having difficulty articulating it. How does one know if they are a wanderer or a native? Could I have other 3rd density selves on other planets? That only become part of my sense of self in higher densities perhaps? Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your effort.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't think we can be more of an individual outside of 3D.

We can though be individuals in 5D, but would you truly choose to be an individual when you have a whole social memory complex to be part of?

I think we just feel if we are wanderer or not. If we resonate to the Ra material, then chances are we are.

I is the illusion. We are all One. One Universe. One Planet. One Being. One Consciousness.

I believe we are in all densities at once. Since time is an illusion, it stretches into other Octaves as well.

So me, I am my greatest desire of being a wolfy anthro on another planet in 3D.

Our desires are already being fulfilled. How you see it can be truth at one level or another.

[Kotalam]

I don't think we can be more of an individual outside of 3D.

We can though be individuals in 5D, but would you truly choose to be an individual when you have a whole social memory complex to be part of?

I think we just feel if we are wanderer or not. If we resonate to the Ra material, then chances are we are.

I is the illusion. We are all One. One Universe. One Planet. One Being. One Consciousness.

I believe we are in all densities at once. Since time is an illusion, it stretches into other Octaves as well.

So me, I am my greatest desire of being a wolfy anthro on another planet in 3D.

Our desires are already being fulfilled. How you see it can be truth at one level or another.

Thank your for your thoughtful explanation. I suppose then I may be getting too fixated on maps. As in the map is not the territory you actually walk, but simply a placeholder. Based on what you are saying, it would seem that the 3d self is as individuated as a self aware being can be in the current octave. We are part of macroscopic protean beings who have transcendent limited conception of "self." From this level of thinking though, meaning my 3rd density awareness, I as I experience my own individuated awareness could be described as a singular mind/body/spirit complex. Beyond this level, the sense of self or rather as a point of focused awareness would change and transcend the limitations of the previous level. So a 4th density being would have a similarly fashioned individualized point of focused awareness. However when one emerges within a social memory complex this than transcends and includes the previous conceptualization of self and begins to emerge as a protean being be it social memory complex or beyond. Theoretically from a higher order of perception social memory complexes themselves could function as individuals realative to a greater reality, fractal like in nature.

[AnthroHeart]

I think the goal of 3D is to individuate. This is following the path you're on. To find your true self.

I don't really know if you further individuate in higher densities.

But you certainly are more of a group.

In 7D you approach Creator as a social memory complex, but also as an individual. For you can only approach Creator as One.

[Plenum]

How does one know if they are in fact a wanderer or a native?

I think Ra spoke a bit about this:

36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one little short one that you may not be able to answer before the final… The short one is, can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and becoming aware who they are, and then finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. (group 1) We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent.

(group 2) There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder.

(group 3) Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

I think there is a bit of wariness in using the Wanderer label.  It can give off the air of being a mark of superiority, or inherent difference  But in my experience, those who I would consider Wanderers (as a fallible assessment) are nothing if not humble, serving-oriented, and having a great desire to understand their place in an environment which has vibrations much starkly different from what their deeper memories tell them is their native home.

As for how you 'know', I don't think there is a diagnostic or checklist.  I know that there are quizzes and the like online, to determine if you are a starseed or not.  I think because of the varied experiences one has on this planet, it's not a reliable indicator in any way.

I think this issue is vastly more complicated by the fact that a high percentage of people under the age of 30 are likely to be dual activated 3d graduates from other planets.  They aren't technically Wanderers as such (not in the sense of 4d, 5d, and 6d souls returning for service), these are bona fide 3d positive graduates with dual activated bodies.  Their experience is divergent enough from 3d natives here, that it may also lead them to thinking they are would-be Wanderers.  But Ra draws the distinction, and it is more than just technical.  For these Duals, Earth is their home for the long run.

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the distinction between 3d natives, and Wanderers, and Dual Activated Graduates should be no more important than the distinction between a male body and a female body, or a person from Norway and a person from Greece.  These are factual differences, and differences that have real-world experiential effects.  That can't be denied.  For for positively-oriented folks, the main interest is in service.  And at the end of the day, that is the common fact of this Planet.  That it is Harvestable to 4d Positive, and that we are all here helping to shape (and hopefully accelerate and smooth) that transition process for the coming society.