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    AnthroHeart (Offline)

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    #1
    08-01-2015, 12:11 PM
    How did the One Creator create infinite divisions of itself which formed universes and galaxies?

    To have infinitely many of anything sounds like a paradox.

    Even Pleiadian technology shows 10^49 universes. But Ra material says there is no counting, that creation is infinite.

    And how can there be in existence infinite energy and infinite power and infinite Love?

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    08-01-2015, 01:30 PM
    It is mind-boggling. I don't think 3D brains can hold enough information to understand it. Another question is: where is it all? 

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    08-01-2015, 01:56 PM
    I think you have it a little backwards. The Creator IS intelligent infinity. How did it create these things? It already contained everything, all of infinity, it is only just experiencing it.

    However, as Ra says, it's absolutely necessary to realize you do not and cannot understand in order to be harvestable.

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    08-01-2015, 03:55 PM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2015, 04:15 PM by anagogy.)
    (08-01-2015, 12:11 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: How did the One Creator create infinite divisions of itself which formed universes and galaxies?

    To have infinitely many of anything sounds like a paradox.

    Even Pleiadian technology shows 10^49 universes. But Ra material says there is no counting, that creation is infinite.

    And how can there be in existence infinite energy and infinite power and infinite Love?

    It didn't create it.  It was already there.  There has always been infinite unity.  That Which Is, was always there and will always be there forever.

    But to see That Which is Not (separation), it has to look at portions of its infinite substance, rather than wholes.  Examining a portion of its infinite substance causes distortions or refractions of "thingness" to seemingly appear (because in reality, there are no such thing as "portions" -- every piece contains the whole), sort of like if you shined light through a prism separating the wavelengths.
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    08-01-2015, 04:22 PM
    (08-01-2015, 01:56 PM)Aion Wrote:  it's absolutely necessary to realize you do not and cannot understand in order to be harvestable.

    indeed, a sense of understanding is generally born within the comparing mind and to compare we isolate and separate. Thus any sense of understanding about reality (born out of comparing) is actually a state of isolated confusion within unity, mistaken for clarity.
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    #6
    08-01-2015, 05:30 PM
    I wish I could consciously grasp that I am infinite. Hard to get my mind around. And that I was with Logos when it created our galaxy.

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    #7
    08-01-2015, 05:33 PM
    It may be helpful to accept you cannot understand.

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    08-01-2015, 06:33 PM
    Curiously embracing the mystery works pretty good for me, in this inc blot test aspect of reality... That metaphor is really growing on me, can you tell? BigSmile
    a natural phase of flowing release, there is no more grasping (outside of practicality), feel infinity with simple ease... So how do we assume infinity feels? I assume it feels like a tired 8 with a dash of purple Tongue

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    08-01-2015, 07:00 PM
    Angel
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    Huh

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    08-01-2015, 07:41 PM
    Then there are an infinite number of beings with perceived separation?

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    #11
    08-01-2015, 08:43 PM
    All That Is = Creation (Kinetic of Infinity) + What is Not (Potential of Infinity).
    Creation is what is actually manifest.

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    #12
    08-02-2015, 06:08 PM
    My confusion lies in whether souls are born from the Source, or if they have always existed with Source.

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    #13
    08-02-2015, 08:32 PM
    thats a sixth density realisation I think right Gemini?
    how long has the Source been?

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    08-02-2015, 08:33 PM
    (08-02-2015, 08:32 PM)Fastidious Emanations Wrote: thats a sixth density realisation I think right Gemini?
    how long has the Source been?

    Well, Octaves go infinitely both ways, and time is simultaneous, so there is not length of time Source has been. Source just IS.

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    08-02-2015, 08:37 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2015, 08:39 PM by Fastidious Emanations. Edit Reason: moar )
    then theres the idea of complete fusion sexual relationship does this imply that the soul simply splits at the beginning of creation and rejoins at the end, implying that each and every one of us is the original Man/Woman/Source? But then... f*** that means I'm Bound  :@

    btw you answered your last question; souls just are..

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    #16
    08-02-2015, 08:40 PM
    I believe that two souls can merge into one and yet be distinct. This can happen in the afterlife as well, not just in 6D.

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    08-02-2015, 08:41 PM
    what is afterlife you mean?

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    08-02-2015, 08:43 PM
    After we die, in time/space. In between incarnations, we are light beings. We can change our appearance at will.

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    08-02-2015, 08:46 PM
    u sure? What if i told you I've died multiple times. And i still dont know that hahaha would u belief me?

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    #20
    08-02-2015, 08:49 PM
    What, about changing our appearance or merging with other beings?

    I've read about them in the past.

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    08-02-2015, 09:00 PM
    Quote:28.15 Questioner: Now, as the major galaxy is created, and I am assuming all of its densities— I am assuming all— there are eight densities created when this major galaxy is created. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, it is well to perceive that the eighth density functions also as the beginning density or first density, in its latter stages, of the next octave of densities.
    8th Density

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    08-02-2015, 09:19 PM
    If 8th density serves as late 1st density of the next octave, I wonder how entities experience early first density.
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    08-03-2015, 03:20 AM
    (08-02-2015, 06:08 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: My confusion lies in whether souls are born from the Source, or if they have always existed with Source.

    In my opinion, all consciousness has always existed.  Energy cannot be created or destroyed.  It is all conscious.  Every last bit of it.  It is "What-Is-Ness".  But what did have a beginning is specific identity, so eventually specific forms must dissolve and the energy will no longer be in said form.  When your eternal nature is ALL THINGS, then, of course identification with a specifically individualized thing cannot be eternal.  

    (08-02-2015, 09:19 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: If 8th density serves as late 1st density of the next octave, I wonder how entities experience early first density.

    From my perspective, the whole system is infinitely recursive.  

    8th density doesn't just become 1st density.  It becomes ALL the densities.  However, in my opinion Ra was talking about it from the Manifest Perspective of space/time, which does indeed *start* at 1st density.  That is where the scroll of livingness is begun to be unrolled.  However, the process is entirely reversed in time/space.  That is to say, where in space/time it appears things grow from the smaller to the larger, in time/space the creation is "descended into" from the highest, or broadest level of consciousness or vibration, down through each succeedingly more tangible/specifically defined vibrational layer, all the way down to the lowest tangible/specific level of vibration we call the "physical plane".

    The whole creation of densities is formed in time/space first, and then entered into at the beginning red ray level in space/time.  Think of it like designing an amusement park ride from start to finish, and then testing it out by getting on at the beginning.

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    08-03-2015, 03:23 AM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2015, 03:25 AM by tamaryn.)
    (08-02-2015, 08:37 PM)Fastidious Emanations Wrote: then theres the idea of complete fusion sexual relationship does this imply that the soul simply splits at the beginning of creation and rejoins at the end, implying that each and every one of us is the original Man/Woman/Source? But then... f*** that means I'm Bound  :@

    btw you answered your last question; souls just are..

    Yes. Planet Tera began from ~660 volunteers. And will return in a great quantum leap back to their creator as 660 voulunteers.

    The inner earth beings that did not leave their craft and incarnate with the rest as man beings have had to watch their brothers and sisters dive into distortion which they have yet to heal and elevate to return.

    We are all hermaphrodite perfect higher selves, but we express ourselves endlessly in all the dimensions as female / male energies.
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    04-24-2019, 03:05 PM
    (08-02-2015, 06:08 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: My confusion lies in whether souls are born from the Source, or if they have always existed with Source.

    Souls have potentially always existed. For the source is the only identity/substance there ever will be. The point is that the creative/identity is behind/source of all that is potentially and kinetically. Everything is like a rhythm/beat. Even if that song hasn't been played yet., The substance or makeup of the song is still rhythm/beat. So it potentially speaking, has always existed, just hasn't been expressed yet

    The sheer enormity of Infinity, and the collosal rhythm/cylical nature of the Infinity, practically speaking every song has been played, just in different iterations and arrangement.

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    04-24-2019, 04:25 PM
       We are asking questions here that probably can’t be understood by a 3D mind.
       Ra said they believed the Creator made the universe and filled it with life so it could better know itself.  The Creator is love.
       Let me use myself as an example.  I enjoy a walk or meal more if it is shared with someone.
       I think the Creator, being love, wanted its love to be more complete by sharing it.  So, apparently the Creator existed before the decision to create the universes and the souls that inhabit the lifeforms in creation.
       But since time and matter begin at creation, what does it mean to talk about what is before time?  Was time/space created simultaneously with space/time?
       Were all the souls created at the same time?  Or, did the Creator like them so much that He continued creating more of them?  I certainly don’t know!
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    04-24-2019, 07:58 PM
    The Law of One resolves paradoxes because things make no sense if seen as separate, you see a paradox.

    Souls are just the thought of separate focus, the Logos is as such also. As above so below, One.

    Most things within the illusion are just the mean for complex experience, always the thought of a direction in distancing oneself from the undivided truth. Every thought is like the circle that resolves around the thought of its absence, in distancing focus from observed spacelessness you yield infinite observed spacefulness. Separation is always held in unity.

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    04-24-2019, 08:20 PM
    (08-01-2015, 01:30 PM)Diana Wrote: It is mind-boggling. I don't think 3D brains can hold enough information to understand it. Another question is: where is it all? 

    I think it is not the nature of a mind to hold completeness and instead a finite reflection. Even the Logos pretty much has only a more detailled and higher quality picture of finitely reflecting infinity.

    That is why the material says the Octave can be harvested in 3D, the jump is not so much about how much is known but touching truth and releasing oneself into it as one. The more is known/seen/experienced and perhaps the harder it is to let go of one's reflected picture and so it goes on and on, like a curve infinitely nearing an asymptote.
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    04-25-2019, 06:22 PM
    (04-24-2019, 07:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: The Law of One resolves paradoxes because things make no sense if seen as separate, you see a paradox.

    Souls are just the thought of separate focus, the Logos is as such also. As above so below, One.

    Most things within the illusion are just the mean for complex experience, always the thought of a direction in distancing oneself from the undivided truth. Every thought is like the circle that resolves around the thought of its absence, in distancing focus from observed spacelessness you yield infinite observed spacefulness. Separation is always held in unity.

    I personally agree with your statement of, The Law of One resolves paradoxes. All there is, is one Infinite being. All that exists is apart of you, and you apart of it. In my mind the importance of love, of other self, is that it is the basis of the fundamental threshold for/of experience. That is to say that it takes the concept of other, of multitude to experience, and any experience other then the true identity, is distortion.

    However as beauty is found within pain, and vice versa, distortion holds or contains a motif or reflection of truth. As the one identity is The One and Only Creator.

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