What truely makes someone STS

[Nía]

Almost everyone posting here seems to be under the false impression that anything associated with STS carries a negative connotation & nothing could be further from the truth. Please review the section on "The Negative Path" : 

Well, people who are on that path (and very successfully so) seem to understand that issue a bit different, you might want to read the statements of the one who called himself Hidden Hand for one example.

In my own humble opinion, as there is no thought/action that does not influence effect others in some way, there always is an impact on others, too, however you decide in any given situation.

Of course Ra are right in what they say (and I understand what you are saying); but it's a different story what human beings make of it.

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[eccentric1]

Almost everyone posting here seems to be under the false impression that anything associated with STS carries a negative connotation & nothing could be further from the truth. Please review the section on "The Negative Path" : 

Well, people who are on that path (and very successfully so) seem to understand that issue a bit different, you might want to read the statements of the one who called himself Hidden Hand for one example.

In my own humble opinion, as there is no thought/action that does not influence effect others in some way, there always is an impact on others, too, however you decide in any given situation.

Of course Ra are right in what they say (and I understand what you are saying); but it's a different story what human beings make of it.

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This is slightly off-topic, but IMHO the so-called "Hidden Hand" material is not truly from anyone in the STS negative community. They would not offer that information at all, they would keep that to themselves as a tool to manipulate. I mean really, why would they? No one out to manipulate or control anyone would explain to the general public how & why they do what they do. I believe that that was someone involved in this community or a "fan" of TLoO material doing their best to play "devil's advocate" & bring attention to it. Which, from where I stand, is a great thing no matter which way you cut it. TLoO is as "distortion-free" as you can get in regards to channelled material & it is a veritable treasure trove of scientific, psychological, & spiritual information that give insights into the very nature of our being & Creation itself. It's too thick for most people (it was for me when I first started in 2004), but those that stick with it are rewarded beyond measure..... & whomever perpetuated that whole exchange knows that & knows that well.

As far as human beings...... are you not one? (Unless the non-corporeal have a way of posting in this forum)

[Monica]

What truly makes someone STS is:

1. Recognizing that service to self is a viable avenue of growth.

Many people whom we accuse of being STS or evil are really only medicating a wound with a habit they even they see as unsustainable. The addict often knows that his addiction is killing him, but persists because he doesn't know how to live any other way. This is not STS because, as plenum mentioned, the red ray needs are simply not yet met. Most of the examples you offered, Matt1, fail to meet this first requirement.

2. Finding that one's truest expression of self aligns with the STS path.

It's not enough to simply do things that serve yourself, just as it is not enough on the STO path to do things that serve others. What really matters is your intention and the purity of your desire to manifest that intention. We rarely live up to our intentions, but as we polarize we do attempt to improve. Movement on this path, though, is impossible without genuine desire. If you are STO, you must genuinely desire the good of others without considering the benefit it may bring to yourself. An STO person attends to the crying child because she called for help, not because others will think you're a good person if you do. Similarly, an STS person seeks always benefit to herself, without consideration for extraneous concerns. Thus, an STS person needs to do yellow ray work if she conforms to popular opinion in order to feel accepted by a group. On the STS path, attachment to group opinion is a form of weakness. On the STO path, however, it is an unwillingness to accept the self as it is.

3. Consciously choosing to walk the STS path.

It's not enough to identify with STS. Being STS means you actively practice in order to maximize the power of the self, and that you are aware at all times that this is, in fact, what you are doing.

#2 nailed it!

I don't think #1 and #3 are necessary until one becomes an adept. Many entities are polarizing (in whatever direction) without being consciously aware that they are.

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[Monica]

This is slightly off-topic, but IMHO the so-called "Hidden Hand" material is not truly from anyone in the STS negative community. They would not offer that information at all, they would keep that to themselves as a tool to manipulate. I mean really, why would they? No one out to manipulate or control anyone would explain to the general public how & why they do what they do.

Not necessarily. It might be a more subtle form of manipulation.

The actual info might be totally bogus, but the author might still have STS intentions, in presenting bogus material and thus leading serious Law of One students astray just to get their jollies.

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[Monica]

The choice is the only thing that truly makes anyone one or the other. The choice being made consciously. I think the attempt to justify the choice then comes.

I strongly disagree. That would negate nearly everything Ra said about the attributes of the paths. Plus, that would mean that no one every polarizes in either direction until they consciously choose to. (Assuming you meant the choice to actively pursue a path.)

Unless you mean the choice to serve self vs self/other-self? which is a different choice and one that is made on a moment-by-moment basis.

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[Monica]

I'm beginning to think of polarity as a stumbling block.

Making choices for the express purpose of polarizing would indeed be a stumbling block and counterproductive.

When I'm experiencing oneness and bliss while meditating, the last thing I'm thinking about is polarity.

I'd say that's a good thing!

Or perhaps I'm polarizing and am not even aware of it. Who knows. I'm open to any possibility.

Just thinking about polarity is benign, just like thinking about any other concept. Understanding the concept doesn't cause polarizing.

But, if one is making a choice just to polarize, then they won't polarize, or might even polarize in the opposite direction than intended.

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[upensmoke]

Some people already said it, I believe it has to deal with how you deal or handle your situations and relationships with other selves

19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.

I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.

I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

According to Ra When you consciously decide to use other-selves for the benefit of yourself is when you start the STS path in 3d  

I believe then when it reaches a ratio of 95% of service benefits you and only 5% of service benefits other selves you graduate into 4d STS. I also believe this choice is why STS leads to enslavement. tThe easiest entity to manipulate is one enslaved to you

[bosphorus]

i guess it depends on the density level you're in. However if you're above 3, it's remarkable by the lack of emotions in your speech.

[Aion]

The choice is the only thing that truly makes anyone one or the other. The choice being made consciously. I think the attempt to justify the choice then comes.

I strongly disagree. That would negate nearly everything Ra said about the attributes of the paths. Plus, that would mean that no one every polarizes in either direction until they consciously choose to. (Assuming you meant the choice to actively pursue a path.)

Unless you mean the choice to serve self vs self/other-self? which is a different choice and one that is made on a moment-by-moment basis.

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Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

This is the choice I mean.

[Kaaron]

I feel like being BOTH STS and STO simultaneously is the balance.
Finding the choice that benefits your own perspective of self God as well as the other God selves.

This is the Law of One.

[Aion]

As Ra says, understood properly service to self is service to others, just as service to others is service to self. I think that focusing on either is a trap and you are more likely to benefit from Ra's advice that the purpose is to give in to the melting influence of love. To say to all others, "I don't know your cards, but I love you and accept you all the same."

[Aion]

Also, really, I think people know when they're manipulating others for their own gain. It's just so easy to deceive oneself.

[Reaper]

I don't think this question can be accurately answered by those who have no interest in following the negative path. It's just a bunch of projections based on positive understandings, and in my experience, that's the way most here would like to keep it. Indeed, that's the format this forum's guidelines facilitate.

If you really want accurate data on the negative path, you're not going to find it on this forum.

[rva_jeremy]

For what it's worth, I think STS and STO are primarily energetic phenomena, i.e. polarizing with green ray vs polarizing without green ray. I see the philosophy, the definition of self, the intentions, the actions and other associated signs as trailing indicators of an energetic configuration that gives all these things their charge. Of course our thoughts and bias will play into this energetic configuration, but if there's one thing that's the tell-tale sign, it's the status of the heart chakra.