atlantis - alevism

[dreamliner]

In 10.15, Ra talks about atlantis:

..Approximately eleven thousand [11,000] of your years ago, the first of the, what you call, wars, caused approximately forty percent of this population to leave the density by means of disintegration of the body. The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey.

Sumerians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer ) might be the descendants of (or might have been influenced by) the group who placed themselves in mountain areas of Turkey.

There is a unique belief system in Turkey, called alevism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jem_%28Alevism%29 ), which might have been inherited from that atlantean group. Although it is officially regarded as one of the branches/sects of islam (but alevis do not recognise "filve pillars of islam": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam), some members of alevism claim that alevism had existed in anatolia even before judaism and christianity, and it had to use christianity and islam as cover identities.

Some alevis even claim that christianity had taken the "12" of "12 apostles" concept from the "then alevism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jem_%28Ale...e_services

[Plenum]

Hi dreamliner,

that link you posted to Alevism was slightly off. I think this one will work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jem_(Alevism)

what parallels do you see between Alevism and so-called "positive philosophies"?

Ra: Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey.

[Matt1]

The World's First Temple

I believe you are correct. It would make sense that those of Turkey would move out into Sumer which is now modern day Iran. The above link proves that there is an ancient stone ring going back to 12,000 BC which fits the time line that Ra gave back in the 1980s perfectly.

At first glance, the fox on the surface of the limestone pillar appears to be a trick of the bright sunlight. But as I move closer to the large, T-shaped megalith, I find it is carved with an improbable menagerie. A bull and a crane join the fox in an animal parade etched across the surface of the pillar, one of dozens erected by early Neolithic people at Göbekli Tepe in southeastern Turkey. The press here is fond of calling the site "the Turkish Stonehenge," but the comparison hardly does justice to this 25-acre arrangement of at least seven stone circles. The first structures at Göbekli Tepe were built as early as 10,000 B.C., predating their famous British counterpart by about 7,000 years

Approximately eleven thousand [11,000] of your years ago, the first of the, what you call, wars, caused approximately forty percent of this population to leave the density by means of disintegration of the body. The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey.

The religion and teachings is what you would think of as Zoroastrianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism arose in the eastern region of the ancient Persian Empire, when the religious philosopher Zoroaster simplified the pantheon of early Iranian gods[

Zoroaster's ideas led to a formal religion bearing his name by about the 6th century BCE and have influenced other later religions including Judaism, Gnosticism, Christianity and Islam.[3]

[dreamliner]

Alevism may have many "secrets", such as believing in reincarnation etc. However, it seems that majority of alevis do not believe that it is safe to reveal their real/true religious concepts. Due to this secrecy, people/observers/outsiders may have thought that sufism had influenced alevism, while in actual, alevism might have influenced sufism long before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism#Su...in_Alevism

I don't know much about alevism, but there seems many elements/components/constituents pertaining to "positive philosophies". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pir_Sultan_Abdal

I guess sumer land was mainly in iraq, not iran. Epic of gilgamesh is an interesting coincidence, one of the elements of which is the "great flood".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth

I thought, although intermarriages change races rapidly, physical appearances of those 3 atlantean groups may resemble each other somehow. In my opinion, some alevis look like old peruvians and tibetans; this, of course, might just be a "pareidolia" case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagash#med..._Girsu.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer#medi...e_AO13.jpg

Additionally, the rituals of alevis are also quite unique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dMDqFOWzI&t=2m30s