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Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 08-09-2014
7th density is timeless according to Ra. But if it teaches the Law of Foreverness, is it forever because it is simultaneous in nature, and not linear time? Time becomes circular, or spiral.
How can it teach the Law of Foreverness, and yet you can graduate from there and reach 8D?
If 7D is a black hole as Ra says, how do you ever "escape" it to reach 8D?
RE: Density of Foreverness - third-density-being - 08-09-2014
(08-09-2014, 04:20 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: 7th density is timeless according to Ra. But if it teaches the Law of Foreverness, is it forever because it is simultaneous in nature, and not linear time? Time becomes circular, or spiral.
How can it teach the Law of Foreverness, and yet you can graduate from there and reach 8D?
If 7D is a black hole as Ra says, how do you ever "escape" it to reach 8D?
You do not "escape" anything. What We understand as "gravity" is a manifestation of relations/patterns with source beyond physical. Those are govern by Intelligent Infinity (Creator as We can Comprehend Him/Her/It-Self) Law. They are as They must be. No other way.
When You become all that is in this Octave, You will more than "leave" it - You will Transcendent It. In some sense You become an Octave, as You will carry within Self all Its Experience - Yet You, with your own, distinct Identity will proceed further.
As Ra Him/Them Self/Selves said in first Session:
Quote:Ra:
(...)
we can assure you that there is no end to
your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of
seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.
(...)
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 08-09-2014
I'm wondering if identity is illusion. When you become all that is, your awareness is Creator's awareness.
Nothing is lost. So do you really lose something that was illusory?
Or loss of identity is only in 7D? And then you regain your identity in the next Octave?
RE: Density of Foreverness - third-density-being - 08-09-2014
(08-09-2014, 06:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm wondering if identity is illusion. When you become all that is, your awareness is Creator's awareness.
Nothing is lost. So do you really lose something that was illusory?
Or loss of identity is only in 7D? And then you regain your identity in the next Octave?
I had very intriguing thought today.
Let's say that You are a Creator which conceived a "thought"* of a bipedal Being. Parallelly with appearance of a thought, that what was thought of, appears as well - in this case "Being". Since Creator is everything in potentation, He/She/It know this Being as Self. Materialization, conceiving existences/Consciousnesses with Thought is most likely immanent property of Creator's Thought It-Self.
* Creator's Thought is nothing as We know/understand this word/label.
I suppose We are all "think of" in some sense. In Our mightily simple terms, I would say/write that We/Our Identity is as much of Creator's Identity, as Our Thoughts are of Our-owns.
As I can imagine it, until Creator won't "Focus" into Thought which has highly Creative ability, Creator-It-Self has "no Identity". He/She/It Is. I think those are the only labels that are capable of beginning to describe "What" Creator really is. Every other word/label is pulling Our understandings away from what I can only call as "Truth".
What is an Identity? We Our-Selves are mixes of Conscious and Unconscious. I think We are "all the time" establishing Our identity, parallelly in many "dimensions", as in other Incarnations, as well as a "Whole Beings" - in all "scales".
We are carrying burden within Our-Self of "All Being".
RE: Density of Foreverness - anagogy - 08-10-2014
(08-09-2014, 04:20 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: 7th density is timeless according to Ra. But if it teaches the Law of Foreverness, is it forever because it is simultaneous in nature, and not linear time? Time becomes circular, or spiral.
How can it teach the Law of Foreverness, and yet you can graduate from there and reach 8D?
If 7D is a black hole as Ra says, how do you ever "escape" it to reach 8D?
Disclaimer: these are my opinions based on my intuition, and spiritual study.
7D is not a black hole.
7D is full awareness of the current octave of densities. It is successfully merging with the universal Logos.
7D is the highest expression of mind, yet lowest expression of matter. 1D is the lowest expression of mind, yet highest expression of matter.
The blackhole that is apparent in 3rd density physical is actually energy escaping our octave entirely. In other words, it is energy that is moving into 8th density infinity.
The reason why I bring up the mind thing, is because movement through time is only caused by attachment to matter. When you have become the universal Logos, you are no longer subject to time, and exist purely in time/space, which is like pure mind.
You are at your full creative control at this level. So the choice to leave this octave of densities is a simple matter of electing to do so, and then you are presented with a (relatively) blank canvas with which to paint the next octave of densities.
(08-09-2014, 06:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm wondering if identity is illusion. When you become all that is, your awareness is Creator's awareness.
Nothing is lost. So do you really lose something that was illusory?
Or loss of identity is only in 7D? And then you regain your identity in the next Octave?
All identity is the result of distortion, illusion, separation, or whatever you want to call it. It's all the same thing. Nothing is lost because all possible combinations of energy and matter exist within the one infinite creator. It's like a bunch of legos. You can take all the legos apart, but the legos are still there afterwards. You could, if you wanted, completely rebuild what you took apart. All the ingredients are there, and they are there for all eternity. You are all possible combinations of these things.
Even the Logos is made of these proverbial legos (since the creation is the Logos). Now you are more like the container for all these Legos. That is your true, and eternal identity (this is 8th density consciousness). When you move to the next octave of densities, you don't completely take apart all your legos, you keep some of the configurations (those that pleased you). These are the refinements on the "One Original Thought". You could, at any moment completely take them apart however.
It's all for fun anyway.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 08-10-2014
So is 7D going to be as thrilling as 3D is?
And will we be able to create our own Universe in 8D?
RE: Density of Foreverness - anagogy - 08-10-2014
(08-10-2014, 08:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So is 7D going to be as thrilling as 3D is?
And will we be able to create our own Universe in 8D?
Yes to both.
We will create a universe, or octave of densities, joined together as one universal Logos. And really the Logos is the universe, and the experience of the densities are just bits of this Logos plumbing its own infinite substance.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-30-2015
(08-10-2014, 10:14 PM)anagogy Wrote:(08-10-2014, 08:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So is 7D going to be as thrilling as 3D is?
And will we be able to create our own Universe in 8D?
Yes to both.
We will create a universe, or octave of densities, joined together as one universal Logos. And really the Logos is the universe, and the experience of the densities are just bits of this Logos plumbing its own infinite substance.
Wonderful.
RE: Density of Foreverness - native - 03-30-2015
Yes I think you're onto something in your first post. It must seem timeless because it is a movement away from a linear type of concrete experience, having boundaries, (what anagogy speaks about in terms of matter), and more towards a general state of awareness. There's the idea that the 7th of this octave also borders and blends into the 1st of the next.
Quote:"76.13 There is no method of estimation of the time/space before timelessness gave way in your first density."
Quote:"28.6 The experience or existence of space/time comes into being after the individuation process of Logos or Love has been completed and the physical universe, as you would call it, has coalesced or begun to draw inward while moving outward to the extent that that which you call your sun bodies have in their turn created timeless chaos coalescing into what you call planets, these vortices of intelligent energy spending a large amount of what you would call first density in a timeless state, the space/time realization being one of the learn/teachings of this density of beingness."
That would mean the elements in the 1st density of the next octave are possibly the light-bringers..
Quote:"52.12 This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion."
RE: Density of Foreverness - native - 03-30-2015
Even though it's said that free will finds a focus, which moves in a pattern to form matter, because of the idea of our circular being, I can imagine the concreteness of 1st density acting as a type of anchor or guidepost..serving as a directional funnel calling the boundless into form..acting as the inspiration which provides the focus for free will.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-30-2015
I like not needing a body in 7D.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-30-2015
7D is simply awareness on a higher macroscopic level. You already are like a 7D entity only that you have choice in your polarity as you fufill your self desires (being STO or STS). I picture the loss of identity as that one has fufilled all his desires and trancend in awareness the illusion of polarity. A 7D being gives a service to All, he has fufilled his own growth and in turn provide the needed environment/experiences for sub-Logois to further their growth.
If you picture your body as a world for all it's sub-organisms, you are not any different than a Logos except that you polarize this said world rather than letting the sub-organisms polarize it. Other than that, it is as above as bellow.
RE: Density of Foreverness - APeacefulWarrior - 03-31-2015
I'm honestly not sure how relevant the concept of "self" would even be at 7D. At that point, you would already be a creature of pure energy who, more or less, can be whatever it wants to be. There would be no singular self but, perhaps, something more like a shared memory pool from which you could draw whatever experiences/distortions happened to seem relevant to whatever work was being done.
I've been experimenting a bit with this sort of ego-formlessness in my own mental work. I've been understanding increasingly that what I think of as "me" - my core persona - really is nothing but a construct, and one which can be altered. I've also discovered it's possible to deliberately create subpersonas and experience life as them, in a way similar to how method actors do it, I think. These are both "me" and "not-me" in that they're masks/lenses I can take on or off to alter how I perceive the world and react to it.
Lately, I've also been trying to wear two masks at once, which would be contradictory from a strictly dualistic standpoint, but by doing so I can experience those masks fusing together into a new singular experience.
So by playing "games" with these subpersonas, I'm coming to better understand the fluid nature of consciousness and how I remain "me" regardless of what particular mask I wear at the moment. I think it may in some ways mirror the ways in which a 6D entity is both many and one at once. When my primary persona is suppressed, it doesn't go away entirely - it just "goes with the flow" and experiences all these things as part of itself. Distinct, yet whole.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 01:15 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I'm honestly not sure how relevant the concept of "self" would even be at 7D. At that point, you would already be a creature of pure energy who, more or less, can be whatever it wants to be. There would be no singular self but, perhaps, something more like a shared memory pool from which you could draw whatever experiences/distortions happened to seem relevant to whatever work was being done.
I've been experimenting a bit with this sort of ego-formlessness in my own mental work. I've been understanding increasingly that what I think of as "me" - my core persona - really is nothing but a construct, and one which can be altered. I've also discovered it's possible to deliberately create subpersonas and experience life as them, in a way similar to how method actors do it, I think. These are both "me" and "not-me" in that they're masks/lenses I can take on or off to alter how I perceive the world and react to it.
Lately, I've also been trying to wear two masks at once, which would be contradictory from a strictly dualistic standpoint, but by doing so I can experience those masks fusing together into a new singular experience.
So by playing "games" with these subpersonas, I'm coming to better understand the fluid nature of consciousness and how I remain "me" regardless of what particular mask I wear at the moment. I think it may in some ways mirror the ways in which a 6D entity is both many and one at once. When my primary persona is suppressed, it doesn't go away entirely - it just "goes with the flow" and experiences all these things as part of itself. Distinct, yet whole.
I've always liked the concept of a psychological mask. Your experimenting seems fun.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 01:15 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I've also discovered it's possible to deliberately create subpersonas and experience life as them, in a way similar to how method actors do it, I think.
These subpersonas sound like a tulpa, except a tulpa is another "being" altogether that just shares your mind.
RE: Density of Foreverness - APeacefulWarrior - 03-31-2015
Oh, that's the fun thing. Sometimes I really don't know to what extent they're truly "creations" of mine or not. But they play nice when I tell them to go away, and that's probably the important part.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
When I enter the density of foreverness I am going to spend awhile doing absolutely nothing.
Just resting.
RE: Density of Foreverness - APeacefulWarrior - 03-31-2015
I want to explore, mostly. See/remember sights around the universe too far away for us to experience.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 01:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I want to explore, mostly. See/remember sights around the universe too far away for us to experience.
That's my next step after I rest. To explore any cartoon dimensions. The imagination of artists.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 01:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I want to explore, mostly. See/remember sights around the universe too far away for us to experience.
I actually want to do that before going to 7D. It feels nearly impossible if one is already bound to a social memory complex though.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:35 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(03-31-2015, 01:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I want to explore, mostly. See/remember sights around the universe too far away for us to experience.
I actually want to do that before going to 7D. It feels nearly impossible if one is already bound to a social memory complex though.
Maybe in 5D we can manifest a computer that can explore the Universe.
In 5D we use light as an instrument.
And in 5D we can choose to go it alone, though I sorely miss my social memory complex.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:36 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-31-2015, 02:35 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(03-31-2015, 01:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I want to explore, mostly. See/remember sights around the universe too far away for us to experience.
I actually want to do that before going to 7D. It feels nearly impossible if one is already bound to a social memory complex though.
Maybe in 5D we can manifest a computer that can explore the Universe.
In 5D we use light as an instrument.
And in 5D we can choose to go it alone, though I sorely miss my social memory complex.
I get the feeling prior to incarnating multiple times upon this sphere I was in the negative path and that I am wandering to repolarize because I got bored of that path. If that's right, I'm also fed up with wandering but would still explore the Universe. I'd repeat another cycle and postpone joining a positive social memory complex only for that purpose.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:42 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I get the feeling prior to incarnating multiple times upon this sphere I was in the negative path and that I am wandering to repolarize because I got bored of that path. If that's right, I'm also fed up with wandering but would still explore the Universe. I'd repeat another cycle and postpone joining a positive social memory complex only for that purpose.
So long as I don't have to put up with other's verbal abuse, I'd still repeat another cycle.
If it means I could love others more than I could in higher density.
It's all about where I can do more.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:44 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-31-2015, 02:42 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I get the feeling prior to incarnating multiple times upon this sphere I was in the negative path and that I am wandering to repolarize because I got bored of that path. If that's right, I'm also fed up with wandering but would still explore the Universe. I'd repeat another cycle and postpone joining a positive social memory complex only for that purpose.
So long as I don't have to put up with other's verbal abuse, I'd still repeat another cycle.
If it means I could love others more than I could in higher density.
It's all about where I can do more.
I meant higher density cycle, I'd go sightseeing rather than incarnating on the spheres.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
I'd investigate my dreams and dream worlds.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'd investigate my dreams and dream worlds.
Your current incarnation on this sphere is also a dream in the astral planes. There is nothing that is not part of the astral planes.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 02:59 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(03-31-2015, 02:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'd investigate my dreams and dream worlds.
Your current incarnation on this sphere is also a dream in the astral planes. There is nothing that is not part of the astral planes.
So in the afterlife we can access everyone's dreams?
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 03:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-31-2015, 02:59 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(03-31-2015, 02:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'd investigate my dreams and dream worlds.
Your current incarnation on this sphere is also a dream in the astral planes. There is nothing that is not part of the astral planes.
So in the afterlife we can access everyone's dreams?
Everything is a dream, that is the nature of the illusion of experience. I do not know the requirement to access everyone's dreams, maybe the Akashic Records or going back to the upper Logos.
RE: Density of Foreverness - AnthroHeart - 03-31-2015
I don't want to invade anyone's dream privacy, but I do want to check out the amazing landscapes, and those amazing experiences they are willing to share.
RE: Density of Foreverness - Minyatur - 03-31-2015
(03-31-2015, 03:22 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I don't want to invade anyone's dream privacy, but I do want to check out the amazing landscapes, and those amazing experiences they are willing to share.
At some point they will become your own. We are all One split into the illusion of separateness.