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The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - Plenum - 07-31-2014
what is the spirit? what does it do?
when it comes to the mind/body/spirit complex, the first two components are rather graspable and 'real'. When one talks of the body, it is the physical instrument before us, a flesh and bone vehicle that carries (and localises) our experience. The body is tangible. It is palpable. You can touch your left hand with your right index finger right now. It is there.
The mind, too, is something that has tangibility, or at the very least some sense of common ground when discussing with others. The mind is the thing that thinks, processes, makes decisions, observes, and carries our consciousness, much like the body carries the mind. The mind is 'somewhere', perhaps in the brain somewhere, perhaps not, but it can have a wider and more immediate range than the physical vehicle can, limited as the body is by the physical parameters of this collective environment of ours. But the mind is substantial, and most would not dispute it's existence and commonality.
but when we come to the spirit complex, we are dealing with something so much more nebulous and not able to be pinned down. If one's physical face is something individuated and able to be recognised quickly and easily by others, then our mind would have an order of magnitude more greater uniqueness and flavor, and then the spirit is something that is even more bizarre and once-off as an aspect of Self.
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what then, can the Spirit Archetypes tell us about ourselves and how do they inform (and influence) our experience?
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let us look at a bit of history first, as Ra provided it.
When we look at second density animals, their graduation into 3d involves one important factor: the individuation of consciousness from the group animal mind.
The animal which is exposed to the individualizing influences of the bond between animal and third-density entity, this individuation causes a sharp rise in the potential of the second-density entity so that upon the cessation of physical complex the mind/body complex does not return unto the undifferentiated consciousness of that species, if you will.
in a functional sense, this involves the activation of the latent spirit complex in a particular animal or pet:
this mind/body complex then in second density discovering the growing and turning towards the light, thus awakening what you may call the spirit complex, that which intensifies the upward spiraling towards the love and light of the Infinite Creator.
The addition of this spirit complex, though apparent rather than real, it having existed potentially from the beginning of space/time, perfects itself by graduation into third density. When the mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the possibility of service to self or other-self, then the mind/body/spirit complex is activated.
the last sentence above speaks to the fact that to be able to graduate into 3d, and do the work relevant to a 3d entity, one must have the pre-condition of the mind having been made aware of the possibility of a sts or sto bent. This is analogous to a 3d entity and the requirement of 4d harvest to be able to have made a sufficiently aware ('polarised') choice of that aforementioned sto/sts possibility, thereby enabling the ability to do the work in 4d, which involves the training of skillful use of that 4d polarised light (the training of wisdom).
And so the spirit complex here speaks of polarity, of the applied choice in a larger sense, and some sort of wider scope than the individual mind that we have access to in an earthly incarnation. The spirit is something larger, grander, and more encompassing than the aforementioned body complexes and mind complexes.
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the spirit complex, from what I believe in my interpretation of what Ra offered us, is a shuttle or conduit that moves back and forth between the localised 3d mind, and 3d time/space. Much like the 3d body enables the 3d mind to interact with space/time, the spirit complex is that thing which interfaces with time/space. The mind sits at the interface point between these two things (of space/time and time/space), and depending on where our attention lies, it can be more caught up in one aspect or the other. That is, more physically oriented consciousness (red, orange, yellow ray kundalini), or more spiritually oriented consciousness (green and higher kundalini). It is not that one is exclusively this or that; but it is rather what one pays attention to.
The kundalini is a strange beast in that one can be physically oriented (red, orange, yellow), and yet receive an abundance of indigo inputs, and yet those indigo inputs ('psychism', 'imagination') are applied to the issues of survival or personal identity (red and orange consciousness), rather than the free flow of indigo energies when the consciousness is at the heart or the throat level. We are all capable of tapping the spirit complex no matter our stage of development; it's just that the uses and the intentions of those spiritual energies are applied to the concerns and the desires relevant to our kundalini consciousness. The high minded do not abuse this privilege for the sake of party tricks and to impress others; there is no need to at that stage, and no desire to, as the self has been purified to reach that point.
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in Ra's description of the Spirit Archetypes, we have the theme of Light, and the consequent ability to use that Light. This is Ra talking about archetype 20, or the Judgement.
The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness
one could invoke the 'Lord of Light' at this stage, but I think we all realise at this stage that Game of Thrones is a fictional world, although it might have much indeed to say about the self at any point.
ahem.
if we begin with the first Spirit Archetypes, that of the Devil, we have this quote:
We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself.
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card 15: The Devil
so we have the theme of darkness, subjugation, and the fertile ground in which much can be planted.
the next card, that of the Lightning, is that which infuses, and has the sharp strike of a serpent's tongue.
This card can look very troubling (disastrous, something undesirable), yet in the most profound confusion of darkness and despair, it takes a bolt or a jolt to reawaken the opportunities and possibilities of a polarised path.
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card 16: the Lightning
the interplay between the Devil and the Ligntning (or more technically, the Matrix (devil) and the Potentiator (lightning) are described in two separate passages. They can be read for much fruit:
The Matrix of the Spirit is what you may call the Night of the Soul or Primeval Darkness. Again we have that which is not capable of movement or work. The potential power of this extremely receptive matrix is such that the potentiator may be seen as Lightning. In your archetypical system called the tarot this has been refined into the concept complex of the Lightning Struck Tower. However, the original potentiator was light in its sudden and fiery form; that is, the lightning itself.
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The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile. The energies and movements of the spirit are, by far, the most profound, yet, having more close association with time/space, do not have the characteristics of dynamic motion. Thusly one may see the Matrix as the deepest darkness and the Potentiator of Spirit as the most sudden awakening, illuminating, and generative influence.
it it this ongoing interplay between the Devil and the Lightning (or darkness/confusion and illumination/clarity) which generates all the activity of the cards that follow in the chain of Spirit Archetypes. That is, the action of the Star, the Moon, and the Sun, which culminate in the paired functioning of the Judgement and the Cosmos cards.
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so to come back again to the thread title, that of "The Function of the Spirit Archetypes", we have here something which informs the activity of the mind, which in turn informs the activity of the body. And much like the mind is more than, and encompasses the body, the spirit too is more than, and encompasses the mind. That is not to say that the body is redundant, or that the mind is demeaned in the presence of the spirit; no, they are all separate functioning domains, and it takes all three working in synchronousness to be a truly harmonised individual, but rather that the Spirit is the thing which influences the overall direction and life sculpting of the mind. It is the thing which motivates, satisfies, is rewarding beyond a moment, and is not as transient as the other two complexes. The spirit, in a way, speaks to accumulated polarity, or the ability to work with the stuff of the universe - that is light.
Before true spiritual work can be done, however, there is a certain order in play. The foundation of the archetypes are cards 1-7, those of the mind, which are followed by 7 more archetypes of the body, before we reach the elucidation and the illumination of the Spirit Archetypes.
Ra did say that before turning one's honed attention to this area, that of the archetypes, the first 5 energy centres would be reasonably well activated and balanced, in order for these teachings to fully work on the appropriate areas.
Those first 5 energy centres provide a foundation in body and mind, so that the full awareness of indigo can begin to be unlocked through the process of understanding energy movements in the deep mind. When these movements are made clear, the self is then able to chisel and fine tune those patterns to better utilise catalyst in the lived experience. The more catalyst is able to be utilised, the greater the rate of polarization. It is an acceleration.
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so in short, the Spirit Archetypes function to give our overall life meaning and purpose; beyond the daily activities of the mind and the body. They keep us on track on what is truly important, and what we truly value, even if some of those things get lost in the distraction and the busyness of a working-day life.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - Confused - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: And so the spirit complex here speaks of polarity, .....
Plenum, I think that could be bit of a leap in terms of reasoning --
Quote:19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.
I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.
I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.
The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.
The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - ricdaw - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: what is the spirit? what does it do?
I propose that Spirit is identity. The fundamental "I am" of me.
Mind is personality. Card 5 is the amalgam of past life learnings and biases put into the present incarnation.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: but when we come to the spirit complex, we are dealing with something so much more nebulous and not able to be pinned down. If one's physical face is something individuated and able to be recognised quickly and easily by others, then our mind would have an order of magnitude more greater uniqueness and flavor, and then the spirit is something that is even more bizarre and once-off as an aspect of Self.
Spirit is most recognizable after we are dead and existing in Time/Space. I think we are able to perceive spirit then. And it is that perception of spirit that motivates us to have another round in the Earth Life School (ELS). I imagine spirit looks like a faceted diamond (this is purely a thought experiment and not literal) and the many facets show the qualities of our then-Self. Many facets = lots of growth and experience. Shiniy brightness = more polarity. Clear color = more development. Etc. When we go back into Time/Space we remember why we come down here to ELS in the first place. Maybe there was this dark smudge on a facet that we wanted to "rebalance" and "correct" (aka "karma"). Rather than simply accepting the smudge (an action we can always take here or in Time/Space) we were instead motivated to correct it. So we planned a life with some catalyst that offered us the opportunity to "make a better choice." Or to experience for ourself what we done to someone else. There are a million variations. But the goal is to advance or progress the shiny Spirity diamond of Who We Really Are. This is the task of spiritual evolution. We (recursively) work on ourselves.
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(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: When we look at second density animals, their graduation into 3d involves one important factor: the individuation of consciousness from the group animal mind.
I'm not sure there is textual support for "group animal mind" in the Ra Material. Group Mind is a 5D experience. Perhaps it is better to say that the animal mind does not yet have an essential "self" consciousness?
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: the spirit complex, from what I believe in my interpretation of what Ra offered us, is a shuttle or conduit that moves back and forth between the localised 3d mind, and 3d time/space.
The Spirit exists both in 3D and outside of it at the same time. (see Card 2 and the "veil") It communicates with itself, but that is not necessarily a primary function of its existence. I see this as collateral to its fundamental nature of essential Beingness. The "I AM" of each of us.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: it is this ongoing interplay between the Devil and the Lightning (or darkness/confusion and illumination/clarity) which generates all the activity of the cards that follow in the chain of Spirit Archetypes. That is, the action of the Star, the Moon, and the Sun, which culminate in the paired functioning of the Judgement and the Cosmos cards..
The cards are not a progression sequence. Ra stated that a number of times to Don, who really held to that concept a lot in his questioning. They are stand-alone archetypes which could be accessed in any order.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: but rather that the Spirit is the thing which influences the overall direction and life sculpting of the mind...
I need to disagree. It is the Mind, activated in 3D, housed in a living Body, that seeks to polish and sculpt AND ACT UPON the Spirit. We are here to work ON Spirit. Spirit is not coming down here to improve the Mind.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: (The Spirit) is the thing which motivates, satisfies, is rewarding beyond a moment, and is not as transient as the other two complexes. The spirit, in a way, speaks to accumulated polarity, or the ability to work with the stuff of the universe - that is light.
Polarity is only important for graduation from 3D. It is not an ultimate Spiritual End, in and of itself. Nor is the ability to work with light. We ARE light and we are seeking to make ourselves the Very Best Light that We Can Imagine Ourselves To Be.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Before true spiritual work can be done, however, there is a certain order in play. The foundation of the archetypes are cards 1-7, those of the mind, which are followed by 7 more archetypes of the body, before we reach the elucidation and the illumination of the Spirit Archetypes.
Again, the cards are not a progression. There is no order in the sequencing.
(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: so in short, the Spirit Archetypes function to give our overall life meaning and purpose; beyond the daily activities of the mind and the body. They keep us on track on what is truly important, and what we truly value, even if some of those things get lost in the distraction and the busyness of a working-day life.
I think the Spirit Archetypes describe the state of Spirit, or basic Spiritual characteristics, but they do not guide or give any purpose intrinsically. They are no more or less important than the other 15 cards and their Archetypes. Probably the most important cards from a "purpose" point of view would be the Lovers (card 6), Chariot (card 7) and Temperance (Card 14). These exhort choice and action.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - Plenum - 07-31-2014
first of all, thanks for the thoughts. I've been trying to reword my understanding of the spirit (and its influence) upon the incarnate personality in the last few days, and these are just some tentative fumblings at reaching for concepts and trying to put them into place. Feedback is always stimulating when it comes to clarifying one's own position. So your thoughts are most welcome.
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(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: what is the spirit? what does it do?
I propose that Spirit is identity. The fundamental "I am" of me.
Mind is personality. Card 5 is the amalgam of past life learnings and biases put into the present incarnation.
I can fully get on board with both these statements. I like the statement of 'Spirit as identity'.
The Hierophant is also well described.
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(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote: Many facets = lots of growth and experience. Shiniy brightness = more polarity. Clear color = more development. Etc. When we go back into Time/Space we remember why we come down here to ELS in the first place. Maybe there was this dark smudge on a facet that we wanted to "rebalance" and "correct" (aka "karma"). Rather than simply accepting the smudge (an action we can always take here or in Time/Space) we were instead motivated to correct it. So we planned a life with some catalyst that offered us the opportunity to "make a better choice." Or to experience for ourself what we done to someone else. There are a million variations. But the goal is to advance or progress the shiny Spirity diamond of Who We Really Are. This is the task of spiritual evolution. We (recursively) work on ourselves.
truly an exquisite metaphor for the process of growth and change!
(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote: I'm not sure there is textual support for "group animal mind" in the Ra Material. Group Mind is a 5D experience. Perhaps it is better to say that the animal mind does not yet have an essential "self" consciousness?
I guess my use of the term 'Group Mind' could be misleading. It could easily be taken as a reference to a 'Social Memory Complex', which is properly a 4th and 6th Density Phenomena. I believe that in 5th Density, the choice to learn as a social memory complex is optional, and one can have small 'study groups' instead of a society-wide clustering of intentions and collective resources.
To speak to your question of re-wording: "Perhaps it is better to say that the animal mind does not yet have an essential "self" consciousness?"
do you think by having the mind complex active as a 2d entity (whether that be animal, tree, or insect) it already has what we could recognise as a self-consciousness? It is just that through the 'investment of love', through attention and unique experiences offered to it, it starts to become 'self-aware', in the sense of the yellow ray chakra been given stimulus. It is almost like a monkey looking into a mirror and seeing/thinking - hey, I am actually an individual, and not part of a swarm of insects doing the one thing in a unified dance.
I think, to paraphrase some Ra, yellow ray is about one's individual self-awareness within a social environment, and one how interfaces and phrases that situation to the self. In a pet, this is given a lot of stimulus to the 2d mind to become aware of that individuality within a group.
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ok, now we are getting into the Archetypes proper. About time! some readers might be thinking
(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: it is this ongoing interplay between the Devil and the Lightning (or darkness/confusion and illumination/clarity) which generates all the activity of the cards that follow in the chain of Spirit Archetypes. That is, the action of the Star, the Moon, and the Sun, which culminate in the paired functioning of the Judgement and the Cosmos cards..
The cards are not a progression sequence. Ra stated that a number of times to Don, who really held to that concept a lot in his questioning. They are stand-alone archetypes which could be accessed in any order.
thanks for expressing this point. I understand what you are saying in that they are not a 'one-to-seven' ticking of the clock, in terms of sequence and that it is HAS TO step in order from one to the next.
That said, the very ordering of the categories does suggest some sort of building of concepts from the Matrix onwards, and Ra themselves offered this as an observation on Card 7:
The Archetype Seven is one difficult to enunciate. We may call it the Path, the Way, or the Great Way of the Mind. Its foundation is a reflection and substantial summary of Archetypes One through Six.
and there is also the pairing of Category types which suggests that they work together in some sort of synergy or co-ordination at a deep level. That said, each card is unique and independent on it's own, and can be invoked for it's own sake, without explicit reference to any other archetype, as you pointed out in your stetement above.
I think my own statement of: "That is, the action of the Star, the Moon, and the Sun, which culminate in the paired functioning of the Judgement and the Cosmos cards." might have been overly strong in hindsight, and that the word 'culminate' might suggest the 'progression' that you referenced.
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(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: but rather that the Spirit is the thing which influences the overall direction and life sculpting of the mind...
I need to disagree. It is the Mind, activated in 3D, housed in a living Body, that seeks to polish and sculpt AND ACT UPON the Spirit. We are here to work ON Spirit. Spirit is not coming down here to improve the Mind.
I think my statement quoted has been influenced by my own understanding of what the Catalyst of the Spirit is and does. That is, the Star (or Faith) is that which inspires and prompts a type of deeper seeking. That said, in re-examining my thoughts, I think I might be holding onto a concept pattern that is more in line with 'Hope', rather than the concept complex of 'Faith' that Ra recommended as a more fitting name for this archetype.
I think your statement of: "We are here to work ON Spirit. Spirit is not coming down here to improve the Mind." has a wonderful quality when paired with your diamond analogy of the spirit from earlier. I can definitely see your viewpoint now, and how this changes the overall nature of the relationship between Mind and Spirit. Thank you.
(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: (The Spirit) is the thing which motivates, satisfies, is rewarding beyond a moment, and is not as transient as the other two complexes. The spirit, in a way, speaks to accumulated polarity, or the ability to work with the stuff of the universe - that is light.
Polarity is only important for graduation from 3D. It is not an ultimate Spiritual End, in and of itself. Nor is the ability to work with light. We ARE light and we are seeking to make ourselves the Very Best Light that We Can Imagine Ourselves To Be.
I think this is well expressed as well.
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(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Before true spiritual work can be done, however, there is a certain order in play. The foundation of the archetypes are cards 1-7, those of the mind, which are followed by 7 more archetypes of the body, before we reach the elucidation and the illumination of the Spirit Archetypes.
Again, the cards are not a progression. There is no order in the sequencing.
I understand your point that there is no 'ordering/progression' to the cards, in that there is no pre-requisite to absorb the understandings of card 14 before moving onto card 15 for example.
again, I think my words quoted might have been overly stated, and that I would relax them a bit if I expressed them again.
in hindsight, I think I have conflated an earlier concept that Ra offered when Don asked about the techniques that could be used to contact intelligent infinity. This was from very early on in the sessions, and Ra recommended that the mind be worked upon first, then the body, and finally the spirit.
Firstly, the mind must be known to itself. This is perhaps the most demanding part of healing work. If the mind knows itself then the most important aspect of healing has occurred, for consciousness is the microcosm of the Law of One.
The second part has to do with the disciplines of the body complexes. In the streamings reaching your planet at this time, these understandings and disciplines have to do with the balance between love and wisdom in the use of the body in its natural functions.
The third area is the spiritual, and in this area the first two disciplines are connected through the attainment of contact with intelligent infinity.
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(07-31-2014, 12:15 PM)ricdaw Wrote:(07-31-2014, 03:00 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: so in short, the Spirit Archetypes function to give our overall life meaning and purpose; beyond the daily activities of the mind and the body. They keep us on track on what is truly important, and what we truly value, even if some of those things get lost in the distraction and the busyness of a working-day life.
I think the Spirit Archetypes describe the state of Spirit, or basic Spiritual characteristics, but they do not guide or give any purpose intrinsically. They are no more or less important than the other 15 cards and their Archetypes. Probably the most important cards from a "purpose" point of view would be the Lovers (card 6), Chariot (card 7) and Temperance (Card 14). These exhort choice and action.
again, these are statements that I would not disagree on.
perhaps through accessing and utilising the Archetypes of Spirit we are able to be put into contect with deeper layers of the Self, and that it is this which offers the satisfaction and deep connection (and purpose) that I am somehow alluding to, in my own clumsy way.
But yes, the Spirit Archetypes in themselves may not have any purpose intrinsically as you say
I definitely agree that archetypes 6 (The Lovers) and archetype 14 (The Alchemist) are huge spurs for action.
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@Confused, thanks for your clarification.
Would a more accurate way of wording my statement be:
"And so the spirit complex here speaks of (the possibility of) polarity, ....."
with the words added in the brackets?
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - ricdaw - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: perhaps through accessing and utilising the Archetypes of Spirit we are able to be put into contact with deeper layers of the Self, and that it is this which offers the satisfaction and deep connection (and purpose) that I am somehow alluding to, in my own clumsy way.
I agree whole heartedly with you. Meditating on the Archetypes can bring forth insights, some of which may come from beyond the Veil directly from Spirit. In that way you may forge a deeper connection with that other part of Self. But don't underestimate the usefulness and power of meditating on the Archetypes as a way to find very practical solutions to present problems. Or to understand your own motivations. Or to understand what that crazy "other self" next to you is doing (that is making your life miserable). Meditation in and of itself can bring you a wonderful connection to Spirit. But I think the intention of the Tarot/Archetypes was to be a bit more . . . mundane and practical? These cards are lessons. They are condensed concepts with some degree of complexity that are intended to be puzzles. They are intended to be used for sharpening the Mind and to help explain real life stuff down here.
So let's take The Star (hope/faith). The card is not intended so much to be a way to meditate into a "faith-feeling" way, as it is a remembrance that we don't FEEL God down here. We don't hear the Music of the Spheres anymore. We don't sense our inate connection to Each Other, let alone to All That Is. So the faith card is an acknowledgement of this fact. It offers comfort in the sense that the disconnect from Spirit is a planned thing. Don't get to thinking that spirit has abandoned you to your fate, or that God has foresaken you, because this card "says" that this disconnect is PART OF THE PLAN. And even though we don't remember the plan (see Devil card) we have these amazing Archetypes given from the Other Side which tell us, really, this disconnect is known, it is real, it is part of the plan. And just to know that little piece of the puzzle is real comfort by itself. It is the basis upon which you can have real faith in reincarnation and soul development. It's what gets you through the tough days and horrible events. We are here. On purpose. Veiled from Spirit. On purpose. To do some soul work. On purpose.
Who can stay depressed once we learned this lesson (The star card) in our bones? The card gives us a reason to have faith.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - AnthroHeart - 07-31-2014
Is any symbol that is representative of something an archetype? How do archetypes work in stories?
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - ricdaw - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 05:04 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is any symbol that is representative of something an archetype?
Not really, no. Archetypes tend to be . . . . bigger? universal?
(07-31-2014, 05:04 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: How do archetypes work in stories?
Those are literary archetypes. A different beastie. And there is not necessarily complete agreement on what they are . . . .
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - Confused - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Would a more accurate way of wording my statement be:
"And so the spirit complex here speaks of (the possibility of) polarity, ....."
with the words added in the brackets?
Lol...it is always easier to point out the perceived flaws rather than present a more accurate illustration. Thus, I will not be able to comment on whether the refined phrasing represents the intangible reality of the concept more accurately. However, I would like to urge a closer inspection of the following quote in response to your enhanced postulation.
Quote:80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?
Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.
Though it is extremely difficult to define 'spirit' in words in terms of my personal capabilities and understanding, nevertheless, from the above quote, it seems that two of it's key essential characteristics are infinity and eternity. May be that could help as a starting point.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - AnthroHeart - 08-01-2014
That would mean that since spirit is also simultaneous, it has no beginning.
Do our souls really have no beginning?
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - Confused - 08-02-2014
(08-01-2014, 06:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Do our souls really have no beginning?
I do not know the answer, GW. We will have to work our way through the maze of universal knowledge and self-realization, persistently, I guess.
However, there appears to be evidence from the LOO, that what you refer to is probably the case --
Quote:30.5 Questioner: I would like to know how the mind/body/spirit complexes originate. How, going back as far as necessary, does the— Do they originate by spirit forming mind and mind forming body? Can you tell me this?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider that you are attempting to trace evolution. This evolution is as we have previously described, the consciousness being first, in first density, without movement, a random thing. Whether you may call this mind or body complex is a semantic problem. We call it mind/body complex recognizing always that in the simplest iota of this complex exists in its entirety the One Infinite Creator; this mind/body complex then in second density discovering the growing and turning towards the light, thus awakening what you may call the spirit complex, that which intensifies the upward spiraling towards the love and light of the Infinite Creator.
The addition of this spirit complex, though apparent rather than real, it having existed potentially from the beginning of space/time, perfects itself by graduation into third density. When the mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the possibility of service to self or other-self, then the mind/body/spirit complex is activated.
RE: The Function of the Spirit Archetypes - anagogy - 08-02-2014
(08-01-2014, 06:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: That would mean that since spirit is also simultaneous, it has no beginning.
Do our souls really have no beginning?
The whole notion of "beginnings" and "endings" is a linear construct.
Infinity transcends such finite concepts. Everything is NOW, forever. Because they had no beginning, they can have no end.