(07-02-2014, 05:50 PM)Tanner Wrote: Happiness and satisfaction are not the same thing to me. Happiness or mood, rather, certainly has higher and higher plateaus but I believe even in total bliss and happiness there can be dissatisfaction. Some beings living "high up" in the bliss clouds, I believe, become dissatisfied with unending bliss and that is one of the many reasons that incarnation is chosen as an experience.

(07-02-2014, 05:53 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(07-02-2014, 05:50 PM)Tanner Wrote: Happiness and satisfaction are not the same thing to me. Happiness or mood, rather, certainly has higher and higher plateaus but I believe even in total bliss and happiness there can be dissatisfaction. Some beings living "high up" in the bliss clouds, I believe, become dissatisfied with unending bliss and that is one of the many reasons that incarnation is chosen as an experience.

Probably what happened to me. I was in bliss all the time and got bored. Much like I get bored here on Earth. So I incarnated.

(07-02-2014, 06:12 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm going to be picking up a 2nd job, if they accept me. That's a little drastic, because I normally like my free time. But we need the cash.

(07-02-2014, 07:14 PM)michael430 Wrote: I don't know what I will choose or if I am even offered a choice of where/when my next experience will be, but I suppose the probability of a more loving lesson-learning environment increases if I create more of them.

Quote:82.21 ▶ Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

82.22 ▶ Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

(07-02-2014, 08:28 PM)xise Wrote: Not interested in the money.

Quote:82.21 ▶ Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

82.22 ▶ Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Positive polarization isn't all about happiness.

(07-02-2014, 10:38 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I am going to respond to everything said so far in a very detailed manner.

I have one question: Why is not happiness/satisfaction the purpose of existence?

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(07-02-2014, 08:28 PM)xise Wrote: Not interested in the money.

Quote:82.21 ▶ Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

82.22 ▶ Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Positive polarization isn't all about happiness.

Why would one serve for love? How does one benefit from fear? Towards what final end? Ra does not at all state that happiness is not the goal here.

(07-02-2014, 10:38 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I am going to respond to everything said so far in a very detailed manner.

I have one question: Why is not happiness/satisfaction the purpose of existence?

(07-02-2014, 05:35 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will send $100 to the person that convinces me that positive polarization and balancing is not about satisfaction and feeling happiness with everything that occurs and can occur, in other words, not about simply being at peace and happy. Additionally, you will have to convince me that serving the desires of others is not a natural act that comes from accepting all things.

(07-02-2014, 06:27 PM)Spaced Wrote: $100 of Vervex's money?

(07-03-2014, 12:14 AM)vervex Wrote: Oh no! My money isn't leaving my wallet!
This is a silly bet in my opinion; there is no need for such monetary incentive as people here inherently share their thoughts freely. Besides, Immanuel can't afford to throw money by the windows nowadays. So, consider this wager most likely improbable, as if anyone "convinces" him, I'll steal his cash and hide it somewhere hehe