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Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - KMcNay - 03-07-2014
Is there a place in the Ra Material, or on this forum where it is stated clearly the difference between Soul & Spirit? I understand the Body is the light body and not the physical body. I understand the Mind as separate from the Brain, but I'm not clear on the Soul & Spirit. Thanks to anyone who can answer or point me in the right direction.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - AnthroHeart - 03-07-2014
I searched for Bashar, and found one where he talks about the Oversoul. I haven't listened to it, but I do like Bashar. Just haven't had a chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anUAlllovIA
It's called from Oversoul to Spirit. Bashar's another channel that I like. I don't know any where Ra tells the difference.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - KMcNay - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 11:12 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I searched for Bashar, and found one where he talks about the Oversoul. I haven't listened to it, but I do like Bashar. Just haven't had a chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anUAlllovIA
It's called from Oversoul to Spirit. Bashar's another channel that I like. I don't know any where Ra tells the difference.
Thank you, I'll check out your link
Scott Mandelker says something to the effect that the soul is at the 7th chakra. I'm assuming the Spirit is what is attached through the various densities to the higher self. I'll see if I can sort this out.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - anagogy - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 11:07 AM)KMcNay Wrote: Is there a place in the Ra Material, or on this forum where it is stated clearly the difference between Soul & Spirit? I understand the Body is the light body and not the physical body. I understand the Mind as separate from the Brain, but I'm not clear on the Soul & Spirit. Thanks to anyone who can answer or point me in the right direction.
I'm not sure if I can point you to a particular quote that would succinctly sum it all up, but having studied the Ra material for a number of years what I would say is that a "soul" is the individually patternized holographic focusing of spirit, or intelligent infinity.
"Mind" is a more specific expression than spirit, and "body" is a more specific expression than mind. Spirit creates mind. Mind creates body, and body creates experience which then transforms the mind and leads it back to spirit.
Mind is inner awareness, matter or body is outer awareness, and spirit is pure beingness.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Marc - 03-08-2014
Body: vehicle/physical/RAM
Mind/soul: Psychological individuality/Hard Drive
Spirit: Network backup->internet connecting all
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Sacred Fool - 03-08-2014
(03-07-2014, 11:07 AM)KMcNay Wrote: Is there a place in the Ra Material, or on this forum where it is stated clearly the difference between Soul & Spirit? I understand the Body is the light body and not the physical body. I understand the Mind as separate from the Brain, but I'm not clear on the Soul & Spirit. Thanks to anyone who can answer or point me in the right direction.
See what you can make of this, my friend.
30.2 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define mind, body, and spirit separately?
Ra: I am Ra. These terms are all simplistic descriptive terms which equal a complex of energy focuses; the body, as you call it, being the material of the density which you experience at a given space/time or time/space; this complex of materials being available for distortions of what you would call physical manifestation.
The mind is a complex which reflects the inpourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.
This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.
You will see by this series of definitive statements that mind, body, and spirit are inextricably intertwined and cannot continue, one without the other. Thus we refer to the mind/body/spirit complex rather than attempting to deal with them separately, for the work, shall we say, that you do during your experiences is done through the interaction of these three components, not through any one.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Plenum - 03-08-2014
(03-07-2014, 11:07 AM)KMcNay Wrote: I understand the Body is the light body and not the physical body.
yes K., I think that's a very important and vital understanding. A distinction between the body complex and the physical vehicle.
Quote:91.11 If this is done suddenly the mind/body/spirit complex will attempt entry into the energy web of the physical vehicle without due care and the effect is as if one were to stretch one of your elastic bands and let it shrink rapidly. The resulting snap would strike hard at the anchored portion of the elastic band.
Quote:92.11 It is not in the archetypical mind of an entity that the potential for incarnational experience resides but in the mind/body/spirit complex’s insertion, shall we say, into the energy web of the physical vehicle and the chosen planetary environment.
Quote:105.14 Ra: I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace.
so yeah, the 'body' in which we inhabit, and experience things, and grow, and feed, is not the body complex as such.
the body complex, of course, informs the structuring and maintenance of the 'physical vehicle', but it is a non-destructible version.
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death is an instantaneous transfer of awareness from one locus of consciousness to another:
it's like flicking on the light switch for the floodlights at a stadium (even though those floodlights take a while to warm up in real life, you get my point
)30.3 Questioner: Upon our physical death, as we call it, from this particular density and this particular incarnative experience, we lose this chemical body. Immediately after the loss of this chemical body do we maintain a different type of body? Is there still a mind/body/spirit complex at that point?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The mind/body/spirit complex is quite intact; the physical body complex you now associate with the term body being but manifestation of a more dense and intelligently informed and powerful body complex.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - native - 03-08-2014
"4.18 To speak to the third: imagine, if you will, the function of the magnet. The magnet has two poles. One reaches up. The other goes down. The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence. This is a brief explication of the third area."
The soul is simply your unique identity. If I were to take a crack at defining the spirit based on what Ra says..it seems to be that which calls consciousness towards a more refined state of being, while providing a pathway to move between such points..from A to B. Another way of saying it would be that the spirit is the transformer..the thing that reforms the illusion..moves you higher vibrationally speaking.
In talking about the Great Way of the Spirit: "We have discussed the possibilities of contact with intelligent energy, for this energy is the energy of the Logos, and thus it is the energy which heals, builds, removes, destroys, and transforms all other-selves as well as the self."
Interestingly enough Don was an airline pilot..funny symbolism.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Sacred Fool - 03-10-2014
(03-08-2014, 11:19 PM)Icaro Wrote: The soul is simply your unique identity. If I were to take a crack at defining the spirit based on what Ra says..it seems to be that which calls consciousness towards a more refined state of being, while providing a pathway to move between such points..from A to B. Another way of saying it would be that the spirit is the transformer..the thing that reforms the illusion..moves you higher vibrationally speaking.
For what it may worth, this is the way I read it (similar, but inflected differently). The energies flowing in from below are elemental (most rooted in the illusion) and those from above are cosmic (closer to the original distortions). What lies in between is the you referred to above, it's the individual experience of the interaction of the elemental and the cosmic at various points of intersection experiencing whatever biases you become entangled with.
There's the you in 3D walking around, reading stuff on the Internet and so on, and that is a brief partial manifestation of the you which has experienced many, many such incarnative sojourns. Put more plainly, the soul complex is the personal element which travels up the spiraling light of consciousness. The more that the personal elements of structure (relationship to biases) of self give way to cosmic paradigms of structure, the less "personal" you become and the higher up the spiral this compound (elemental + cosmic) thing known as you "ascends." Or, stating it another way, the soul complex becomes a shuttle to infinite intelligence as it moves from the more personal structures of consciousness to the more cosmic. (One's relationship with biases, of course, becomes reshaped over vast eons through process of working with catalyst.)
It's rather an elegant model by my standards.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - native - 03-10-2014
That's a better summary of what I was trying to say, particularly the last sentence about cosmic structure.
"73.22 The spiritual energy transfers are at the heart of all energy transfers as a knowledge of self and other-self as Creator is paramount, and this is spiritual work. The varieties of spiritual energy transfer include those things of which we have spoken this day as we spoke upon the subject of the adept."
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Sacred Fool - 03-10-2014
Yes, and here's another excerpt from that same session which builds on what I noted above.
73.10 Wrote:Ra: More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.
Very interesting food for thought.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2014
I never knew the adept offers catalyst to creation. I assume this means other selves. The adept probably can program their own catalyst.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Spaced - 03-10-2014
(03-10-2014, 02:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I never knew the adept offers catalyst to creation. I assume this means other selves. The adept probably can program their own catalyst.
We are all creation and we all offer catalyst to each other, therefore we all offer catalyst to creation.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - Sacred Fool - 03-10-2014
(03-10-2014, 02:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I never knew the adept offers catalyst to creation. I assume this means other selves. The adept probably can program their own catalyst.
The text doesn't say "other selves." It says a "... portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity". I read it as the adept's m/b/s totality.
In other words, the adept and its soul are teaming up to, as you suggest, receive for themselves the catalyst which comes from offering a much deeper level of service. Or, as we become more functionally transparent to our souls, our total being can do more advanced work here in this most challenging realm.
This may not be your favorite resort, GW, but you might as well make the best use of it while your still assigned here and work efficiently. The text suggests that disciplining your body and mind sufficiently to allow your soul to work with and through you would be the way to make this all worthwhile over the long haul. After all, if Ra is coming up for harvest in a quick one or two million years, and it's very difficult to polarize further in 6D (because when you already know all the answers, choosing the right answers on the test is not a transformational experience), but it's much faster to polarize in 3D, then, again, you might as well work efficiently while you're here, no?
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2014
I've since learned to call 3D home. I might talk about missing a higher density, but I realize I am here for a reason, and that I chose to be here. I want to be able to work effectively as an adept. I already do energy work, and work to heal the planet, and send love/light to others who need it.
RE: Body, Mind, Spirit Complex - 6D longing - 03-31-2014
(03-07-2014, 09:16 PM)KMcNay Wrote:(03-07-2014, 11:12 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I searched for Bashar, and found one where he talks about the Oversoul. I haven't listened to it, but I do like Bashar. Just haven't had a chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anUAlllovIA
It's called from Oversoul to Spirit. Bashar's another channel that I like. I don't know any where Ra tells the difference.
Thank you, I'll check out your link
Scott Mandelker says something to the effect that the soul is at the 7th chakra. I'm assuming the Spirit is what is attached through the various densities to the higher self. I'll see if I can sort this out.
Ra uses the term "soul" in various ways, but primarily identifies it with the spirit complex, which as far as I understand, is associated primarily with the head chakras (R6 and R7):
26.22 Ra: I am Ra. ...Therefore, we are offering ourselves as those who continue the integration of soul or spirit complex during transition from space/time to time/space.
26.21 Ra: I am Ra. ...There are other services we may perform. Firstly, the integration of souls or spirits, if you will, in the event of use of these nuclear devices in your space/time continuum.
Personally, I also use "soul" to indicate a mid-way time/space 'beingness' between the incarnate B/M/S complex and late-6D higher self, which is re-integrated more fully after death or by conscious potentiation of mind.
Scott Mandelker