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"Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Marc - 09-17-2013 I came across this quote and found it very relevant: Quote:83.12 ▶ Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service to others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean? This quote really blew my mind. When I first was aware of the choice, I immediately started to search any way that I was harming others and then adjusting my actions accordingly to my beliefs. There are so many things that we just aren't aware of that are enslaving others. I would like to name a few and you feel inclined please do so. Buying non-fair trade Chocolate: Quote:When you take a bite into that luscious chocolate bar, source of ecstatic pleasure, do you stop to think about who grew the cacao that made your chocolate fantasy possible? Possibly one of the more than 15,000 child slaves working on cacao farms in west Africa. Does that chocolate still taste good? Buying clothes and products from cheap places like walmart: Quote:According to a new National Labor Committee report, an estimated 200 children, some 11 years old or even younger, are sewing clothing for Hanes, Wal-Mart, J.C. Penney, and Puma at the Harvest Rich factory in Bangladesh. If something is super cheap to buy, remember there's a reason for it and it's usually not an ethical one. How easy is it to just buy that snickers bar or get a bunch of clothes from Walmart or Gap? It's cheap, right? These are just a few examples of human enslavement. Now if we view 2D creatures as 'others' we will see that we have tons of going on that many of us participate in everyday. The meat, dairy, and animal skins industry is quite horrific and inhumane. I know I'm going of into a place many here on the forum won't agree with me on, but its still enslavement. As Ra says it is beneficial in polarizing to seek to find alternative ways of living that don't require enslavement of others. Please add your insight to she'd light on ways that we might be unintentionally enslaving others. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - kycahi - 09-17-2013 I can imagine a person who gets a revelation of "the truth" and, with passion, tries to describe it to others. Eventually in some cases, such person would get a following and then be tempted to set up a system where these followers take guidance a little far and the leader would either back off or keep going into a near enslavement situation. This STO-ish leader must, at some point choose, in the LOO sense, whether to proceed and lose that polarity, or make a big adjustment. That's what I thought of when I read that quote. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2013 Thankfully I'm not a big chocolate person, but I do like chocolate milk from time to time. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Fastidious Emanations - 09-17-2013 "I know what is best for you" RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Parsons - 09-18-2013 Very interesting info and thread, which I did not know about. I'm glad I so rarely consume chocolate. However, I don't think this is what Ra was referring to when they said "well-meant and unintentional slavery". I don't think they were referring to literal slavery as it is defined by modern mainstream society. If you consider the quote in context of the session, you will get a better picture of what they're referring to. primordial abyss gave a perfect example of a specific type of "well-meant" slavery that Ra was referring to. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - ChickenInSpace - 09-18-2013 Forced to work to have money to barely survive is pretty much slavery, on the other hand =) RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Ankh - 09-18-2013 I agree with Parsons. Ra said: *well-meant* and *unintentional* slavery, which to me means that people who are enslaving others mean well, but do enslave others nevertheless, unintentionally. In that session Don mentioned legal system as an example, and Ra said that although intention is to protect others, this system does not recognize uniqueness of each situation. Other examples that I came to think of is work and school. In Sweden we have a saying: "paycheck slave". And indeed most of the people *must* work in order to survive in our modern society. They don't necessarily have to live in poverty, and work for minimum wage, but today there is little opportunity to live in any other way except go to work and make money. We are sort of slaves under this system. In this system it is very difficult to serve others out of born desire to serve. We simply *have* to serve/work. Another thing that I thought of is school. My daughter is almost seven, and started the 1st grade this year. So now, school is not optional for us anymore, she *must* to go - Monday to Friday, from 8:20 AM till 1:30 PM. We don't have any choice/freedom of choice. If she misses too much, we will be reported to social services, and this whole thing can end up with authorities taking away our daughter from us. And how much I want to keep her home the days when I am off, and she is begging me to stay home, instead of going to school at those ungodlike hours, and yet - there is nothing we can do! I find it crazy!! RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - zenmaster - 09-20-2013 I never interpreted that quote to mean people unintentially enslaving others, but rather unintentionally becoming slaves.i.e. of the various systems and social institutions we have provided for people to relate to themselves and to others and to evaluate relative worth. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Marc - 09-20-2013 (09-20-2013, 12:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I never interpreted that quote to mean people unintentially enslaving others, but rather unintentionally becoming slaves.i.e. of the various systems and social institutions we have provided for people to relate to themselves and to others and to evaluate relative worth. Very interesting, I love how everyone gets a different interpretation of this. I appreciate all the views. As all are one the enslavement does go both ways. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Adonai One - 09-20-2013 Every human being is forced to give a significant portion of their labor to a government they cannot opt-out of. If they opt-out while still attaining an income, they can easily be jailed under the threat of force and seizure. If this is not slavery, I don't know what is. I hold that the overbearing force of law is what creates the inhumane workplaces and conditions that perpetuate this planet, a monopoly of force that creates oligopolies of businesses that lobby legislators for their own business while preventing any real constructive change towards a caring civilization.. There is no choice, there is little empowerment of the individual and local communities to make change in this world. This passage does not surprise me. It shouldn't surprise anyone on this planet either. This planet is a slave state, a machine that spirals into indefinite decay ran by people only set on accumulating power with the illusion of goodwill. While everyone enjoys their toys and long work-weeks to supplement their distraction and sleep, we fail to expand to higher purposes, to more pleasant states of living. Unequivocally, this planet is one of mostly slavery, a slave to fruitless and destructive desires. What can you do? Refuse to tolerate slavery and stagnation in your daily life. Stand up as the valuable being you are. Stand by your true and inherent values and desires. Do not compromise on your value and the value of others, do not sacrifice. Force is not the answer. Laws are not the answer. Conquering of nations is not the answer. Enslaving the world to a central power is not the answer. True compassion and respect of the freewill of the individual is the answer. Voluntary cooperation is the answer. If you support the use of the armed men of our governments to instill change in this world, you're only putting this planet under further control of a few. You're simple selling your power to somebody else. This is what a law is: A mandate backed by force. /Rant RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Plenum - 09-20-2013 as others have mentioned, Don made a followup siggestion to this query, further clarifying this point. it is regards the legal system, and it having a 'set response' to most situations. Quote:83.14 Questioner: I would say that a very high percentage of the laws and restrictions within what we call our legal system are of a nature of enslavement of which I just spoke. Would you agree with this? the codification of the response is the primary issue (treating every situation as similiar or alike). this is a form of 'control', as it does not recognise the flexibility and spontaneity in human action. I mean, are we not 'over-governed' by most respects? ie, laws extending into domains where they have no right to? * psychedelic substances * age of consent for sexual relations * drinking age * bigamy laws * etc etc (insert more 'outrageous' laws here these are laws which aim to 'protect' ... and I am sure in 90% of cases, it helps, for the other '10%' it acts as a form of imprisonment. (restricting free-will action, for actions that do not interfere negatively with others). - - although in the above quote, Ra refers specifically to the American Civil War? what is the 'peacable people from the bonds of chaos"? RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Adonai One - 09-20-2013 The slavery also extends as far as monopolies. When you restrict key resources, key abilities to a few through governmental force or private use of artificial government-granted "property rights" others are almost always going to get screwed. I believe the power of monopoly in all aspects of human civilization is what is creating so much suffering: It gives little to no ability to the people to opt-out and attain something better. A key monopoly that really puts people under the control of the few is our current international central banking system. Money as it is operated now is truly the root of all evil in this world. And of course this money and its respective control is granted by the force of law, by the force of military to put uncooperative jurisdictions in line. Fun fact: Without the US military, the US dollar would have no value. All money is blood money. I want to make it clear in this moment of passion: This world is inherently violent. We can change it. We truly can change it. We just need to be aware and make our choices informed by our awareness. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Ankh - 09-23-2013 (09-20-2013, 12:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I never interpreted that quote to mean people unintentially enslaving others, but rather unintentionally becoming slaves.i.e. of the various systems and social institutions we have provided for people to relate to themselves and to others and to evaluate relative worth. Good one, zm! I didn't think in this way, but you're right. It probably goes both ways. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - βαθμιαίος - 09-23-2013 (09-20-2013, 10:34 AM)plenum Wrote: what is the 'peacable people from the bonds of chaos"? I think it's something like Hobbes' "nasty, brutish, and short" state of nature, which well-meaning individuals think must be regulated. RE: "Well-meant and Unintentional" Slavery of Others - Diana - 09-23-2013 (09-20-2013, 10:51 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Money as it is operated now is truly the root of all evil in this world. And of course this money and its respective control is granted by the force of law, by the force of military to put uncooperative jurisdictions in line. Money has nothing to do with it other than being a vehicle for energy exchange. I realize that the banking system has created fractional lending and all that, but this is still not "money," it's greed. It's a fine point, but I think some misunderstanding, or perhaps just semantics (but words have power), contributes to the issues we have around "money." I believe it would be helpful for people to not worry so much about "money," itself, as we will likely have some venue of exchange for some time to come. It is how it is used that creates the problems. There are so many dynamics in this scenario, from both sides of the equation (those who think they are being victimized and those victimizing). I suggest getting out of that box altogether, using the current system with the highest intentions (we all chose to be here now), and in this way, from love and acceptance, you may inject that energy into this current corrupt and flawed monetary system. I do not think there will suddenly be some overnight change where no one uses money, or another system of exchange--even digital credits--for some time. Change just doesn't happen this way. Acceptance of the current system, with all of its warts so to speak, would be a good place for change to flow from. Then we could endeavor to change it for the better from a place of love rather than blame. It's like loving and accepting your flawed self and letting change and evolution flow from that point. Even if the system was overthrown overnight, then what? Would greed disappear? Would the desire to control disappear? That's why it's not money. It's consciousness. |