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The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - jivatman - 08-22-2013 Let's begin with a quote: Quote:26.13 Questioner: Did the Confederation then step up its program of helping planet Earth sometimes, some time late in this last major cycle? It seems that they did from the previous data, especially with the Industrial Revolution. Can you tell me the attitudes and reasonings behind this step up? Is there any reason other than that they just wanted to produce more leisure time in the last, say, a hundred years of the cycle? Is this the total reason? There are two interrelated points here: 1. The time period the wanderers began entering, and 2. The lesson. they came to teach The time period is "approximately 200 years ago", so 1787. The dominant intellectual movement was the Enlightenment [0], one of the most important ideas of which is the idea of natural rights, and the social contract, the idea that the government is the servant of the people. Both of these ideas are in the declaration of Independence. The Wikipedia blurb lists it's author, Thomas Jefferson, as well as Benjamin Franklin, as two of the most important figures of the Enlightenment. The social contract / Democracy is about government respecting the general "free will" of the people, while natural rights are about respecting individual "free will", or liberty. Our material also references Jefferson and Franklin: Quote:26.15 Questioner: Wondering if the one, Abraham Lincoln, could have possibly been a Wanderer? So, they're specifically mentioned as wanderers. Now, let me get to the entire reason why I've made this post, one of history's most incredible synchronicities: Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were friends, but they ultimately became presidents of opposing parties, and stopped talking. Benjamin Rush, a famous doctor and founding father, was a mutual friend of the two. Here is a letter he wrote to John Adams on October 17, 1809, about a dream he had before they made up [1] Quote:“What book is that in your hands?” said I to my son Richard [who later became the Secretary of State under President James Monroe] a few nights ago in a dream. “It is the history of the United States,” said he. “Shall I read a page of it to you?” “No, no,” said I. “I believe in the truth of no history but in that which is contained in the Old and New Testaments.” “But, sir,” said my son, “this page relates to your friend Mr. Adams.” “Let me see it then,” said I. I read it with great pleasure and herewith send you a copy of it. The letter is legitimate and can be found on the journal of the American Medical Association[1], although you have to register. It's referenced by, but not available on, archives.gov, sadly. Anyway, here is a non-paywall[2] Anyway, guess what happened? Jefferson and Adams indeed did make up, sent hundreds of letters between each-other. But most amazing of all, they both died on the exact same day - the 50th anniversary of Independence day. Adam's last words were "Jefferson Lives" - Jefferson had died a few hours earlier.[3] Five years later, one more U.S. president, Monroe, the last president who was a founding father, would die on Independence day.[4] Synchronicity? [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enlightenment [1]http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=311836 [2]http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Adamstorushviceversa.pdf [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams#Death [4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_monroe#Death RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - Turtle - 08-23-2013 Sweet post...! RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - BuddhistJedi - 08-24-2013 Good job on noticing the patterns. RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - zenmaster - 08-25-2013 Not to diminish this interesting post, but isn't this overtly common knowledge? Not about them being wanderers, but that they were friends, died on the same date, etc? RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - Turtle - 08-25-2013 (08-25-2013, 12:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Not to diminish this interesting post, but isn't this overtly common knowledge? Not about them being wanderers, but that they were friends, died on the same date, etc? How many do you figure on this forum have paid any attention whatsoever to the story presented here? There are lots of books containing information about various things in libraries, but how many people actually go and read about ALL of them? RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - AnthroHeart - 08-25-2013 I didn't know they died on the same date. More Dreams by Rush and Adams - jivatman - 08-25-2013 John Adams and Benjamin Rush shared their dreams throughout their life. Rush, as a doctor was convinced that writing down one's dreams and thus bringing them to the conscious mind, had healing properties, and told his patients to do it. Jefferson was an ultra-rationalist and didn't take dreams seriously. In the first dream, Rush had returned from the war. He had bought a house, and was reducing his patient load to those who could pay in gold notes, which cost much more than the rapidly-depreciating paper currency. He slept in bed, recovering from Yellow Fever, and then wrote this: Quote:a poor woman came to me ...and begged me to visit her husband. I told her hastily that I was worn out in attending poor people, and requested her to apply to another doctor 'O! Sir (said she, lifting up her hands) you don't know how much you owe to your poor patients. It was decreed that you should die by the fever which lately attacked you, but the prayers of your poor patients ascended to heaven in your behalf, and your life is prolonged only upon this account.' The dream... increased my disposition to attend the poor and never, when I could not serve them, to treat them in an uncivil manner Rush wrote the following dream after recieving a letter from Adams, which contained a political attack on Jefferson: Quote:I was going up Second Street in our city and was much struck by observing a great number of people assembled near Christ Church gazing at a man who was seated on the ball just below the vane of the steeple of the Church. I asked what was the matter. One of my fellow citizens came up to me and said, the man whom you see yonder has discovered a method of regulating the weather, and that he could produce rain and sunshine and cause the wind to blow from any direction. The instrument he used was a trident in his hand which he waved in the air, and called at the same time to the wind, which then blew from the northeast, to blow from the northwest. I observed the vane of the steeple while he was speaking, but perceived no motion in it. He then called for rain, but the clouds passed over the city without dropping a particle of water. He now became agitated and dejected, and complained of the refractory elements in the most affecting terms. Struck with the issue of his conduct, I said to my friend who stood near to me, “The man is certainly mad.” Instantly a figure dressed like a flying Mercury descended rapidly from him, with a streamer in his hand, and holding it before my eyes bid me read the inscription on it. It was: “De te fabula narratur.” (“ The story is told of you yourself.”) After the dream, Rush wrote: “The impression of these words was so forcible upon my mind that I instantly awoke, and from that time I determined never again to attempt to influence the opinions and passions of my fellow citizens upon political subjects.” To understand the next, you need to understand that Rush was one of the first major campaigners against the use of alcohol, and he would inspire the prohibitionist movement. In a letter, he wrote the following: "In the year 1915, a drunkard I hope will be as infamous in society as a liar or a thief, and the use of spirits as uncommon in families as a drink made of a solution of arsenic or a decoction of hemlock" (prohibition, of course, was 1919) The next dream is long, and you can skip it for a short summary under it. Quote:One day sitting alone in my council chamber, a venerable but plain-looking man was introduced to me by one of my servants. I offered him a chair and delicately asked him what his business was with me. “I have taken the liberty,” said he, “Mr. President, to call upon you to remonstrate with you against the law for prohibiting the importation, manufactory, and consumption of ardent spirits. He said the law was well enough for a month or two, during which time all the drunken men had become sober, but, protracted as it was for nearly a year, it did such violence to the physical and commercial habits of our citizens that it had not and could not be carried into general effect; that many of the persons who had conformed to it had been sick form drinking nothing but cold water; that the plow and the wagon stood still from the want of that strength in the men which they formerly derived from their morning dram; that the stage drivers and coachmen everywhere fell from their seats from the same cause; that the clergy in many places were unable to preach and the lawyers to plead from the want of a little grog to moisten and oil their organs of speech; that women everywhere became unusually peevish and quarrelsome from a relaxation of their nerves brought on by the want of a little brandy in their tea; and that all the West India merchants, distillers, and tavern-keepers in the country were in an uproar; and that unless the water and small beer law were instantly repealed, we should soon have our country filled with hospitals and our jails with bankrupts.” He becomes president, bans liquor, but the plan fails badly, because people's habits don't change so easily. After the dream, he wrote to Adams: "I believe simple water, molasses... and small beer to be the best ordinary drinks in the world; but if mankind will prefer a monarchy to a republic, commerce and war to an embargo, and drams, slings, grog, and toddy to the wholesome liquors above-mentioned, I can only testify my sorrow." So, he is very upset, and doesn't doesn't really grapple with the central message: Nationwide prohibition, if enacted, will fail. Next, I have two dreams from John Adams. Here is the first: Quote:I dreamed that I was mounted on a lofty scaffold in the center of a great plain in Versailles, surrounded by an innumerable congregation of five and twenty millions, at least, of the inhabitants of the royal menagerie. Such a multitude is not to be described or enumerated in detail. There were among them the elephant, [the] rhinoceros, the lion, the hyaena, the wolf, the bear, the fox, and the wildcat, the rat, the squirrel, as well as the calf, the lamb, and the hare. There were eagles, hawks and owls ofall sorts, and storks and cormorants and crows, and ducks, geese, turkeys, partridges, quails, robins, doves, and sparrows. There were whales, sharks, dolphins as well as cod, mackerel, herrings, and even minims and shiners. My design was to persuade them to associate under a free, sovereign, annimatical government, upon the unadulterated principles of liberty, equality, and fraternity among all living creatures. I had studied a long speech, arranged it in exact method, with a beginning, a middle, and an end, with an exordium and a very pathetic peroration, according to the most orthodox rules of the most approved rhetoricians. Throwing my eyes round and gracefully bowing to my respectable audience, I began: “My beloved brothers! We are all children of the same Father who feeds and clothes us all. Why should we not respect each others' rights and live in peace and mutual love!” I had not pronounced all these words before the elephant pouted his proboscis at me in contempt, the lion roared, the wolf-howled, the cats and dogs were by the ears, the eagles flew upon the turkeys, the hawks and owls upon the chickens and pigeons. The whale rolled to swallow twenty at a mouthful, and the shark turned on his side to snap the first he could reach with his adamantine teeth. In a word, such a scene of carnage ensued as no eye had ever seen and no pen or pencil ever described. Frightened out of my wits, I leaped from the stage and made my escape— not, however, without having all my clothes torn from my back and my skin lacerated from head to foot. The terror and the scratches awakened me and convinced me forever what a fool I had been. The first is from 1790. It is set in Versailles, the opulent palace of one of the most notoriously rich kings in history, Louis XVI in his menagerie of animals. Obviously, it predicts the French Revolution and it's excesses, and it takes a negative view of Democracy, at least for France. Adams would split with his opposition, and Jefferson's support, for the revolution. Adam's next dream is fascinating, because it's in all ways the converse of the previous dream, highly optimistic and predicting the success for American democracy: Quote:Dear Rush, One day after a long ride upon Hobby [a horse] I came home well exercised, in good health and spirits, went to bed, to sleep, and dreamed. I shall not give you the dramatic persons at length.... I shall only give you a hint of a part of one scene. An open theater was erected in the center of a vast plain in Virginia, where were assembled all the inhabitants of U.S., eight millions of people, to see a new play, advertised as the most extraordinary that ever was represented on any stage, excelling Menander, Terence, Shakespeare, Corneille, and Molière. A distant view of the ocean was presented with Hull and his Constitution, blazing away his horizontal volcano of a broadside at the Guerriere, which is soon seen to explode; after the explosion, the Constitution sails majestically but slowly along the whole length of the theater and comes to anchor, in full sight of the audience; then Jones with his Frolic succeeded an anchored near the Constitution, and it was remarkable that the audience applauded him with as much enthusiasm as Hull. ... After a pause for the spectators to gaze and admire, Mrs. Siddons was selected to address the audience. Slowly and gracefully swimming over the stage, she approached near enough to be heard by all, with all the advantages of her face, figure, gestures, and intonations, pointing with her hand to the glorious spectacle of the navy, in the words of Adam to Eve when she first saw her face in the clear stream, she only said, “America! This, fair Creature, is thyself! “Sampson! There, is thy Lock of divine Power! “Hercules! Behold the emblem of thy Strength (which) is to subdue Monsters and conquer Oppressors. “David! Lo, thy sling, which is to bring Goliath to Reason!” 85 Observing that this overgrown colt of a nation had, after all this, no feeling of its strength nor any sense of its glory, any more than my Hobby, I obtained a speaking trumpet and made a motion, which was carried, that the play should be dismissed and the nation resolve itself into a committee of the whole house on the state of the nation, Dr. Rush in the chair. It was my intention to record the phizzes of the tories, about one third; the speeches of the deep Democrats, about another third, who abused me so much a dozen or fourteen years ago on account of my navy, which is now saving them from destruction. The exultations of the remaining third, who had been always friendly to naval defense, which... amounted to little more than “Did we not always tell you so?” The sensations and reflection of Jefferson, Madison, Giles, &c., as well as their oration, you may imagine.... The vote was called and a small majority heavily and languidly appeared for a few and twenty frigates. Oh! The wisdom! The foresight and hindsight, the rightsight and the leftsight, the northsight and the southsight, the eastsight and the westsight, that appeared in the august assembly! Many Quaker women, Dr. Dwight, and Dr. Osgood spoke, and had Joel (Barlow) been there, no doubt he would have delivered an epic poem. So such business could not be done in a short time. The sun now blazed through the windows upon my eyes and awoke Lastly, since I mentioned the interesting circumstances of Jefferson and Adam's death, I thought you might be interested in their last messages: First a portion of Jefferson's last letter, to To Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826. Jefferson's optimism and eloquence undiminished: Quote:[Regarding the Declaration of Independence] May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them. And Adam's "warning" Quote: My best wishes, in the joys, and festivities, and the solemn services of that day on which will be completed the fiftieth year from its birth, of the independence of the United States: a memorable epoch in the annals of the human race, destined in future history to form the brightest or the blackest page, according to the use or the abuse of those political institutions by which they shall, in time to come, be shaped by the human mind. RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - zenmaster - 08-25-2013 (08-25-2013, 01:09 PM)Turtle Wrote: There are lots of books containing information about various things in libraries, but how many people actually go and read about ALL of them?Did you actually just say that? RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - Turtle - 08-25-2013 (08-25-2013, 01:40 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-25-2013, 01:09 PM)Turtle Wrote: There are lots of books containing information about various things in libraries, but how many people actually go and read about ALL of them?Did you actually just say that? Sure, but I guess my example was confusing? RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - Indigo Blue Dragonfly - 01-25-2016 I am delighted that you shared the dream synchronicities of these men! RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - anagogy - 01-25-2016 ![]() RE: The ultimate synchronicity, and the wanderer influx - Matt1 - 01-27-2016 I miss Jivatman, he had some good posts. |