(08-08-2013, 08:57 PM)Turtle Wrote: This world USED to be 3rd density. It is now 4th density. Although it is in the very infantile stages of 4th density, the structure has changed enough that you can begin to actually understand the illusion about you and develop with much more knowingness, and not have to feel so blind in a logical/mental sense.

(08-09-2013, 08:30 AM)Aureus Wrote: How can you be sure it's not just you? Surely many people in the long past have had great understanding.

(08-09-2013, 12:49 PM)rie Wrote: Do you mean time/space is different now due to incoming 4D energies? Space/time remains 3D unless you live in an alternate parallel space.

(08-09-2013, 09:59 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: Wishful thinking to believe in the illusion that Earth is now fourth density. Are you able to levitate objects?

(08-09-2013, 09:59 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: Wishful thinking to believe in the illusion that Earth is now fourth density. Are you able to levitate objects?

(08-10-2013, 11:44 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I've tried to awaken to these higher principles, but many are still beyond my understanding. I still feel like I am asleep in that regard. Trying to awaken, but still sleeping. My mind feels dull. I get enough sleep, so that can't be it. I do love my wolfie Loki more than ever. Well that's hard to say because I've always loved him, even when I hurt him, I still loved him.

So I don't feel I can comprehend more than ever. I feel a little lost on my path, but I know I have guides that have given me some intuition with which to use. I haven't noticed anything change as we moved into 4D. If anything I'm more confused about metaphysical principles than ever.

Perhaps I'm just not ready to leap into 4D time/space.

(08-10-2013, 11:58 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Thank you Ashim. I think the confusion lies in not knowing whether I'm on a 3D or 4D Earth. I think it's the medication I'm on that dulls my mind. But it helps me to function in society. Funny thing is when I thought I was headed to 8th density, moving upward, it rocked my world, shaking my mind something fierce. I don't know if that was a fear based experience or not because it did concern me. When I focused on the One Original Thought, things became still. I think Ra taught me that. I used to work with them, or so I thought it was them. But then intuition told me to stop seeking them. I guess while I'm here on Earth, I should focus on Earth things, rather than 6D. I can't live by 6D principles while here.
One such case was calling Lucifer and Ra one, because of Unity. When I allowed Lucifer into my heart, that really made things go downhill because of my beliefs. But that's in the past. Intuition has taken me for a wild ride.

But I remember when working with Ra, they were showing me hallucinations on a wall of the cutest cartoon characters I could imagine. They were too cute for me, and I asked Ra to turn down the cuteness, or put an image up that would balance the cuteness with something not so cute. Those were fun times. I kind of miss them.

Ra Wrote:I got three questions just now in meditation. I’ll ask them first before we continue. First, we are now in the fourth density. Will the effects of the fourth density increase in the next thirty years? Will we see more changes in our environment and our effect upon our environment?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth will thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you might call it.

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all of the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than that which this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.

(08-10-2013, 02:54 PM)rie Wrote:

Ra Wrote:Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all of the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than that which this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.

(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.

(08-11-2013, 05:34 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.

Would the 2nd tier be considered 4th density or an upper level of 3rd in relation to his system, I think in regards to past the 2nd tier he said it is simply not in our minds yet we can't receive the vibration necessary. So perhaps in relation to his system the 2nd tier could simply be the upper triad being accessed within a sub-density.

(08-11-2013, 08:51 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-11-2013, 05:34 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.

Would the 2nd tier be considered 4th density or an upper level of 3rd in relation to his system, I think in regards to past the 2nd tier he said it is simply not in our minds yet we can't receive the vibration necessary. So perhaps in relation to his system the 2nd tier could simply be the upper triad being accessed within a sub-density.

I don't think it has to be in our conscious minds to receive the vibration. I haven't watched all of the video yet, so my view is based on that.

(08-11-2013, 05:34 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.

Would the 2nd tier be considered 4th density or an upper level of 3rd in relation to his system, I think in regards to past the 2nd tier he said it is simply not in our minds yet we can't receive the vibration necessary. So perhaps in relation to his system the 2nd tier could simply be the upper triad being accessed within a sub-density.

(08-09-2013, 07:42 PM)Turtle Wrote: I'm saying that according to various channeled sources who I personally judge to be accurate enough for me to bother learning from, our planet is right now, officially past the marker and is 4th density.

(08-11-2013, 02:13 PM)rie Wrote:

(08-11-2013, 05:34 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.

Would the 2nd tier be considered 4th density or an upper level of 3rd in relation to his system, I think in regards to past the 2nd tier he said it is simply not in our minds yet we can't receive the vibration necessary. So perhaps in relation to his system the 2nd tier could simply be the upper triad being accessed within a sub-density.

We can perceive the two stages of development in the 2nd tier e.g., yellow/turquoise (bc I think wilber thinks he's there in 2nd tier with his integral theory where he goes beyond 'pluralism' to seeing things systemically). Yeah, I think it's possible that the 2nd tier is upper levels within sub-density. And it's interesting to think that there could be an 'isomorphic shift', whereby when certain % of population is in the next subdensity and able to perceive things differently and have different types of lessons, all other subdensities could benefit from it.

(08-11-2013, 08:35 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 07:42 PM)Turtle Wrote: I'm saying that according to various channeled sources who I personally judge to be accurate enough for me to bother learning from, our planet is right now, officially past the marker and is 4th density.

It really can't be" 4th density" until something is made from the vibrations through the planetary mind which is able to resonate at 4th density vibrations. There may be vibrational support for thought, but without development of that thought in the planetary mind - the planet is still 3D. The vast majority of dwellers are feeding into that planetary mind a demand for 3D catalyst of the typical orange and yellow ray variety, and so that is the logos we have provided ourselves to work with at the moment. We have a lot of collective work to do yet, as even "awakened" is not yet 4D compatible and only a sign of new interior awareness available at a 3D subdensity short of the end of the spectrum.