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Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-05-2013
Quote:83.10 Questioner: Was there any uniformity or like functions of societies or social organizations prior to the veil?
Ra: I am Ra. The third density is, by its very fiber, a societal one. There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies. The structures of society before as after veiling were various. However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of others, this not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one. There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.
83.11 Questioner: In our present illusion we have undoubtedly lost sight of techniques of enslavement that are used since we are so far departed from the pre-veil experience. I am sure that many with service-to-others orientation are using techniques of enslavement even though they are not aware these are techniques of enslavement simply because they have been evolved over so long a period of time and we are so deep into the illusion. Is this not correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.
83.12 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service to others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?
Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.
83.13 Questioner: [Then for a service-to-others oriented entity at this time meditation upon the nature of these little-expected forms of slavery might be productive] in polarization I would think. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are quite correct.
83.14 Questioner: I would say that a very high percentage of the laws and restrictions within what we call our legal system are of a nature of enslavement of which I just spoke. Would you agree with this?
Ra: I am Ra. It is a necessary balance to the intention of law, which is to protect, that the result would encompass an equal distortion towards imprisonment. Therefore, we may say that your supposition is correct. This is not to denigrate those who, in green and blue-ray energies, sought to free a peaceable people from the bonds of chaos but only to point out the inevitable consequences of codification of response which does not recognize the uniqueness of each and every situation within your experience.
I will admit that as a libertarian and border-line anarchist this resonates with me and makes me feel smug politically.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - zenmaster - 06-05-2013
(06-05-2013, 09:10 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I will admit that as a libertarian and border-line anarchist this resonates with me and makes me feel smug politically.Feel smug all you want. There is an infinite distance between a mere ideological apprehension and actual practice.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-05-2013
(06-05-2013, 09:20 AM)zenmaster Wrote:Many men have died trying to achieve said practice. Anyways, you're absolutely correct: Ideology is to scientific theory, as governance or lack therof is to engineering.(06-05-2013, 09:10 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I will admit that as a libertarian and border-line anarchist this resonates with me and makes me feel smug politically.Feel smug all you want. There is an infinite distance between a mere ideological apprehension and actual practice.
It seems I misinterpreted you. You might be referring to how people change once they achieve power, in lieu of Rie's "becoming the new authority." Frankly, that disparagement disappoints me because it almost seems like we fear change and trying new systems. We just need to be aware of history. We've come long ways from chattel slavery, to feudalism and to today's taxation and central banking. We can make another gradual step forward away from slavery, although it remains just the same and even more efficient and profitable for the masters of the system. Surrendering to the nearest power is less than effective, isn't it?
I have hope for humanity even though it is still a very animalistic species. You have been correct in saying that it is a bit like raising children. Although I have been against the idea of strict parenting and keeping kids inside all the time while limiting their choices. Children are people too.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - greywolf - 06-05-2013
I believe the so-called Kali Yuga or dark age began about 5000 years ago, about the same time as so-called civilization. It means predominantly negative "regularly scheduled catalyst". Before that I believe there was more anarchism and less imperialism, in the positive half of the cycle. Beliefs like Taoism and Shamanism dominated. It's a fact the Greek and Roman economies were built on slave labor.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - KindaEnlightened - 06-05-2013
according to http://slaveryfootprint.org there are at least 27 million slaves worldwide
According to the survey, 52 slaves work for me, based off what I "own" and what I consume.
I don't feel smug about this...
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-05-2013
(06-05-2013, 01:59 PM)KindaEnlightened Wrote: according to http://slaveryfootprint.org there are at least 27 million slaves worldwideRa is referring to not only chattel slavery--which is grossly inefficient--but to slavery that extends beyond it. Keeping slaves and having to feed them, clothe them and shelter them is expensive and gives them very little motivation while their output is limited to basic labor.
According to the survey, 52 slaves work for me, based off what I "own" and what I consume.
I don't feel smug about this...
It's better to give them an illusion of freedom, have them build businesses and specialize in skills, then have them paid only in a monetary system that you control while you tax that money as you please. This ensures far more control and far more profit.
A farmer will space out his crops and allow his cows more room if it guarantees greater yields. Just because one is not in chains does not mean they are not controlled. Slavery goes far beyond torture, it extends to the concept of Freewill itself.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Parsons - 06-05-2013
Ra 23.15
The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the misapprehension of the Creator within each entity.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - zenmaster - 06-05-2013
(06-05-2013, 09:30 AM)Adonai One Wrote: It seems I misinterpreted you. You might be referring to how people change once they achieve power, in lieu of Rie's "becoming the new authority."No, I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the idea of something which in turn fosters its own fulfilling, ideological valuing system in the imagination. This effectively allows the imagination to figuratively transcend that which is perceived to not hold such virtue. The ego does not know the difference between that which points at something (suggests an idea) and the thing itself.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-05-2013
(06-05-2013, 02:52 PM)Parsons Wrote: Ra 23.15
The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the misapprehension of the Creator within each entity.
The tool of money is key in controlling any society. You cannot put people into debt without it. You cannot tax people without it. You certainly cannot fund endless wars without the ability to print money at will.
When you give the control of money to a central organization known as either a government or central bank, entire control of an economy is gained through the inflation and deflation of the money supply along with the ability to lend money to governments local and national at interest, which in the end allows private banking interests to own entire governments and people simply through the power of debt.
Power to that end can then be seen as how much debt a government and its people owes to the banking system.
Debt is slavery. Money as it is today is debt.
(06-05-2013, 08:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-05-2013, 09:30 AM)Adonai One Wrote: It seems I misinterpreted you. You might be referring to how people change once they achieve power, in lieu of Rie's "becoming the new authority."No, I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the idea of something which in turn fosters its own fulfilling, ideological valuing system in the imagination. This effectively allows the imagination to figuratively transcend that which is perceived to not hold such virtue. The ego does not know the difference between that which points at something (suggests an idea) and the thing itself.
Ah, yes. Subjective this all is especially in the realm of labels. Delusion and self-deception is indeed easily achieved when it comes to ideology. This is what you refer to?
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - zenmaster - 06-06-2013
(06-05-2013, 11:23 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Ah, yes. Subjective this all is especially in the realm of labels. Delusion and self-deception is indeed easily achieved when it comes to ideology. This is what you refer to?Well labels and subjectivity have nothing to do with with delusion and self-deception. That which allowed the smugness should've been ample catalyst.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-06-2013
(06-06-2013, 12:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-05-2013, 11:23 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Ah, yes. Subjective this all is especially in the realm of labels. Delusion and self-deception is indeed easily achieved when it comes to ideology. This is what you refer to?Well labels and subjectivity have nothing to do with with delusion and self-deception. That which allowed the smugness should've been ample catalyst.
I will always view all men and all viewpoints as being at the center of the universe and indeed being the creator. I may feel pride but I do not feel higher than anyone else which is usually tied to pride.
I simply felt satisfaction in regards to a mere preference out of many. Although one can argue moral and ideological favoritism to a high degree entails self-righteousness.
Seeing that I missed your point, I can't say I agree with the implication that I am projecting on Ra's words. I think he's being very clear as to what he refers to slavery when it comes to law.
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Adonai One - 06-06-2013
I guess you resonate with this, Zenmaster? I want to understand you.
"All ethics, politics and philosophies are pure assumptions, built upon assumptions. They rest on no sure basis. They are but shadowy castles-in-the-air erected by day-dreamers, or by rogues, upon nursery fables. It is time they were firmly planted upon an enduring foundation."
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - Ens Entium - 06-06-2013
(06-05-2013, 08:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The ego does not know the difference between that which points at something (suggests an idea) and the thing itself.
Do you know why, zenmaster?
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - zenmaster - 06-06-2013
(06-06-2013, 08:19 AM)Ens Entium Wrote:Self-imposed limitations on consciousness. There is the "veil", which is fundamental to this form, and there is the distortion from unity which is related to balancing work. Having said that the ego does not know the difference, the ego can however know what, where and when it does not know something which is an ability introduced when honesty is available. So given that honesty, "knowing the difference" really doesn't matter so much. There is an ability to keep what is known in constant check, not with vigilance but with allowance. This in turn changes how one relates to their own worldview, which changes the worldview itself.(06-05-2013, 08:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The ego does not know the difference between that which points at something (suggests an idea) and the thing itself.
Do you know why, zenmaster?
RE: Ra on third-density societies. Apparently we encourage slavery. - GreatSpirit - 06-10-2013
The Rat Race does have to end eventually.
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