Quote:Describing his new Pattern Recognition Theory of Mind (PRTM) during a Singularity Hub drive along interview last October, Ray Kurzweil voiced an opinion that couldn’t be more different from Nicolelis’. “We now have enough evidence to support a particular theory, …a uniform theory about how the neocortex works. And it’s basically comprised of 300 million pattern recognizers. Most important they can wire themselves in hierarchies to other pattern recognizers. The world is inherently hierarchical and the neocortex allows us to understand it in that hierarchical fashion.”


That is to say, Kurzweil thinks there is a certain simplicity to the structure of the neocortex, the part of the brain where the most complex human mental activities take place, that lends itself to being reproduced – by 2029, he famously predicts.

But Nicolelis isn’t buying it. He thinks the brain/neocortex is much more than a hierarchy of pattern recognizers, and it’s that complexity that futurists like Kurzweil underestimate. “You can’t predict whether the stock market will go up or down because you can’t compute it,” he said at the AAAS conference, MIT Technology Review reports. “You could have all the computer chips ever in the world and you won’t create a consciousness.”

Quote:Q: The motion picture, “Alien,” and now the sequel. “Aliens,” featured what they called an artificial person.

B: Yes.

Q: An android, or robot… not really a robot.

B: We understand the concept.

Q: Okay, it’s you know, semi flesh and blood.

B: We understand.

Q: Now, the idea of creating an individual with complete intelligence - the apparancy of a complete individual person – is really intriguing. Because I’m aware that we are spiritual beings that quote, inhabit, bodies.

B: Yes.

Q: And most of the people who have written about robots haven’t realized that… well, they created artificial intelligence that has a sense of individuality, I know that, but it didn’t work quite that way.

B: If you create, let us say, an appropriately representational symbol that a soul /can/ function through in a meaningful way, then a soul can “inhabit” the creation.

Q: Such as even a mechanical…

B: Yes.

Q: Okay, and I thought about that… that a soul could move into it, such as a soul moves into a baby body.

B: Why not?

Q: I also conceived that now that I know about your spacecraft and how you create an artificial intelligence with it, which is actually mechanical, or - well, it’s not actually mechanical – which has an intelligence as I understand it, which is tuned into the entire universe and it is as much of an individual as yourselves…

B: Yes.

Q: … that, that kind of intelligence could be created in this artificial person.

B: Yes.

Q: Now, to what degree would they appear to be an intelligence, an individual? I’m not talking about a being coming into the artificial person, but rather the creation of the individual using your kind of computer. How much will they actually appear as an individual person?

B: It will depend upon the mass agreement of what is /possible./ And therefore, what they have allowed themselves to project their consciousness into. What they agree to, and in what way they agree to interact with the society. Do you follow me?

Q: When you say “they,” you mean the artificial person?

B: Yes. The consciousness projecting itself into it, let us say. If they recognize that the society has created that idea to only express itself in a limited way, then obviously the consciousness that chooses to take part will understand that limitation.

Q: Okay. Well then, when you create computers for your ship, does a consciousness enter this computer?

B: In a sense, yes. It is more like a valve, through which universal mass consciousness can /flow./

Q: That’s what I was thinking, that’s a kind of computer…

B: The definition that you give, the ability that you give to the valve, will determine the amount of the mass consciousness that can flow into it, or through it, or individual consciousness that can flow into it, and through it.

Q: And have artificial people of this nature… obviously they’ve been created.

B: Oh, yes. They do exist and function in many societies.

Q: Do they exist in your society?

B: Yes, although primarily /as/ the idea of the spacecraft.

Q: I see. Not as physical bodies, such as you have on your…

B: There are some.

Q: Do they walk around and appear to have all the personality traits that your people do?

B: Some do, yes. Some do not.

Q: Would they be indistinguishable from your people?

B: Some.

Q: Wow. Are they on this planet?

B: Some have been. No more comment. (Audience laughter)

Q: Thank you.

B: Thank you.

Quote:3.8 Questioner: How were the blocks moved [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.

This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rockness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

In this way, that which is required is accomplished due to the cooperation of the infinite understanding of the Creator indwelling in the living rock. This is, of course, the mechanism by which many things are accomplished which are not subject to your present means of physical analysis of action at a distance.

(03-24-2013, 10:59 AM)Horuseus Wrote: B: If you create, let us say, an appropriately representational symbol that a soul /can/ function through in a meaningful way, then a soul can “inhabit” the creation.

Q: Such as even a mechanical…

B: Yes.

(03-25-2013, 02:19 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: And if a soul could inhabit an artificial body, would it want to?

(03-25-2013, 02:19 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: And if a soul could inhabit an artificial body, would it want to?

(03-26-2013, 10:08 AM)Oldern Wrote:

(03-25-2013, 02:19 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: And if a soul could inhabit an artificial body, would it want to?

Definitely. It would be interesting to see the variety of catalysts the higher mind can think up now that body-illness-related catalysts are out of the picture*

*Unless the newly introduced SOFTWARE ISSUES are exactly just like that!

(03-26-2013, 03:58 PM)Parsons Wrote: Portal/Portal 2 are in my top 5 best video game stories... Just phenomenal games.

(03-26-2013, 08:51 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So a consciousness/soul that goes into a robot for instance, would it be a 1D or 2D consciousness? And would it be individualized? Is 1D individualized?

(03-26-2013, 01:38 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Anything is possible with sufficient desire and belief.

(03-27-2013, 11:23 PM)rie Wrote: So how could we recreate a brain when we have little understanding of how the brain actually works?

(03-28-2013, 02:23 PM)rie Wrote: Of course, ethics evolve but does it evolve at the same rate as our technological and scientific advancement? Some would say advancement of neuroscience is superseding ethics.

(04-27-2013, 07:10 PM)rie Wrote: Billion euro project to recreate the human brain gets underway:
April 25 - Scientists have begun working to recreate a human brain inside a supercomputer, one of the most ambitious scientific projects ever undertaken. The Human Brain Project, led by Swiss institute, the EPFL, aims to build the replica organ within ten years.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/04/25/reuters-tv-billion-euro-project-to-recreate-the-hum?videoId=242466818&videoChannel=118065