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What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Adonai One - 03-21-2013
We currently have the technology to preserve the human body using frozen Hydrogen after death. There are no more than 10,000 corpses frozen in this way. In a spiritual context, is it possible for these people to come back to their bodies after they have been sucessfully resurrected due to the death from only failed organs or other biological failures? Will the Guardians allow you to reincarate in this fashion?
Will spiritual growth be limited or can it be acceptable to live as a third-density being for an indefinite amount of time of your choosing? Is physical immortality truly a waste of time?
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Brittany - 03-21-2013
Fond of it as I am, I can't imagine wanting to stay in this body forever.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Marc - 03-21-2013
It may be like they hit a pause button in space/time and just resume when unfrozen. Or if they choose to pass to another incarnation (but what's the hurry, really?? Infinity...) they could just leave the body in a coma-like state and continue on in other incarnations.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - anagogy - 03-21-2013
(03-21-2013, 06:07 PM)Adonai-1 Wrote: We currently have the technology to preserve the human body using frozen Hydrogen after death. There are no more than 10,000 corpses frozen in this way. In a spiritual context, is it possible for these people to come back to their bodies after they have been sucessfully resurrected due to the death from only failed organs or other biological failures? Will the Guardians allow you to reincarate in this fashion?
Will spiritual growth be limited or can it be acceptable to live as a third-density being for an indefinite amount of time of your choosing? Is physical immortality truly a waste of time?
Quote:105.20
Questioner: Then I was wondering what was the root reason for the change in appearance that we see as the aging process? I am trying to uncover the basic philosophical premise here, but I may be shooting in the dark and not questioning on it correctly. I am trying to get at the reason behind the design in this change in appearance when it seems to me that it would be just as possible for the mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex to look the same throughout an incarnation. Could Ra explain the reason for this change?
Ra: I am Ra. When the discipline of the personality has led the mind/body/spirit complex into the fifth and especially the sixth level of study it is no longer necessary to build destruction of the physical vehicle into its design, for the spirit complex is so experienced as a shuttle that it is aware when the appropriate degree of intensity of learning and increment of lesson has been achieved. Within third density, not to build into the physical vehicle its ending would be counterproductive to the mind/body/spirit complexes therein residing, for within the illusion it seems more lovely to be within the illusion than to drop the garment which has carried the mind/body/spirit complex and move on.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Monica - 03-26-2013
My guess is that the body would be up for grabs and would more likely be inhabited by a different entity. The original inhabitant would be long gone.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - AnthroHeart - 03-26-2013
That would be interesting if indeed it was a different entity. Whose memories would the entity then have. Those of the host body, or those of the new spirit that takes over the body.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - 52midnight - 03-27-2013
I believe that this is a far more serious question than is generally understood. Cryogenic freezing may do nothing more than suspend an idiot in an eternity of inaction, for which we should probably be grateful. Far more dangerous are the ideas being avidly promoted by many of the wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet under the Transhumanist agenda:
http://www.transhumanism.org/resources/transhumanism.htm
http://transhumanity.net/
http://singularity.org/
http://www.extropy.org/
http://lifeboat.com/ex/transhumanist.technologies
http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/04/18/how-to-start-a-student-transhumanist-group/
It may well be possible to anchor ones consciousness within a sufficiently advanced bioelectric artefact, or "avatar" as they are now called; but would that provide the same organic satisfactions as a natural human body? Imagine George W. Bush as a bionic avatar in three or four hundred years; he can't get drunk because the machine doesn't respond, he hasn't had his end in for a couple of centuries for the same reason, food and drink taste bland, sights and smells lack conviction. What amusements would he turn to? You only have to look at the entertainments of the wealthy during primitive periods in history to realize that vicarious suffering is the norm - sc. inflicting horrific, unending pain on others as a reflection of your own inner consciousness.
Human evolution is intended to be cyclic, but it's undoubtedly possible to "cheat the system" technologically. My guess is that this is the condition of some of the negative Grey races - tied to a form of existence in which spiritual evolution has stalled, and technological solutions are all that they can imagine, but never discover. This appears to be the path along which the Earth's political elite are determined to force us.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Zachary - 03-31-2013
I'm not sure about this, interesting to think about though.
As I see it, it is ultimately up to the individual spirit or soul given the opportunity to experience such as a possibility.
And like Brittany mentioned, I think for human beings this experience does naturally become tiring over time on a soul level, hence the 'death' experience.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - kanonathena - 04-03-2013
I remember reading about cases where a woman in a long coma appears to have not aged a bit, but as soon as she woke up she become a old woman in a matter of days. I heard David Wilcock in interview talked about something called zero reference point, which is when people begin their incarnation.
In Stanley kubrick's A.I. Artificial Intelligence, at end of the movie the kid's mum was cloned and said to be able to live a only single day because timeline can only be used once, something like that.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Adonai One - 04-03-2013
(04-03-2013, 01:33 AM)kanonathena Wrote: I remember reading about cases where a woman in a long coma appears to have not aged a bit, but as soon as she woke up she become a old woman in a matter of days.
Fascinating. I need to find the primary source for this. Do you happen to know it?
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - kanonathena - 04-05-2013
(04-03-2013, 02:00 AM)Adonai-1 Wrote:(04-03-2013, 01:33 AM)kanonathena Wrote: I remember reading about cases where a woman in a long coma appears to have not aged a bit, but as soon as she woke up she become a old woman in a matter of days.
Fascinating. I need to find the primary source for this. Do you happen to know it?
No, I can't remember but you could search it on internet. Here are some quotes from Ra about aging:
15.8 Questioner: If an entity were perfectly balanced on this planet with respect to the Law of One, would he undergo the aging process?
Ra: I am Ra. A perfectly balanced entity would become tired rather than visibly aged. The lessons being learned, the entity would depart. However, this is appropriate and is a form of aging which your peoples do not experience. The understanding comes slowly, the body complex decomposing more rapidly.
59.20 Questioner: Why would this reverse aging?
Ra: I am Ra. Aging is a function of the effects of various electro-magnetic fields upon the electromagnetic fields of the mind/body/spirit complex. In this position there is no input or disturbance of the fields, nor is any activity within the electro-magnetic field complex of the mind/body/spirit complex allowed full sway. The vacuum sucks any such disturbance away. Thus the entity feels nothing and is suspended.
15.4 Questioner: Thank you. The first question is: Why does rapid aging occur on this planet?
Ra: I am Ra. Rapid aging occurs upon this third-density planet due to an ongoing imbalance of receptor web complex in the etheric portion of the energy field of this planet. The thought-form distortions of your peoples have caused the energy streamings to enter the planetary magnetic atmosphere, if you would so term this web of energy patterns, in such a way that the proper streamings are not correctly imbued with balanced vibratory light/love from the, shall we say, cosmic level of this octave of existence.
So if the mind/body/spirit complex still experiences effects of various electro-magnetic fields, even if your body is frozen, the aging may still occur. If the case I mentioned were true, it could be that the aging effect on the entity somehow didn't manifest until she woke up. Like Monica said, only uninhabited second density body can be preserved.
There are legends about people who lived hundreds of years, such as Mahavatar Babaji. Here is some info,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Marc - 04-06-2013
(04-03-2013, 02:00 AM)Adonai-1 Wrote:(04-03-2013, 01:33 AM)kanonathena Wrote: I remember reading about cases where a woman in a long coma appears to have not aged a bit, but as soon as she woke up she become a old woman in a matter of days.
Fascinating. I need to find the primary source for this. Do you happen to know it?
The age is actually set in time/space and when you try to 'trick time' it doesn't work out. The 'spirit age' tells the physical age what it should be. For more info check out this article: Reciprocal System on Death and immortality
Quote:Life units, a stable combination of material and cosmic atoms, differ from inanimate structures in that they have "length" in clock time--the combination only remains viable for a limited duration. The simplest life unit is the compound neutron, a stable motion between a material proton and a cosmic neutrino. Nehru's research indicates that, based on probability mechanics, that motion remains stable for about 13 minutes before the rotational vectors align in such a way that allows the two particles to break the bond and go their separate ways, ending the combination (death).
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Hototo - 04-06-2013
You're already immortal.
Solipsism for the win.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - Charles - 04-06-2013
My guess is that no one from soul dimension would want to bother with a thawed out body. The point of reincarnation is soul growth, and that includes whatever happens during infancy and childhood, etc.
The delight of this school is guaranteed death. Death transports our immortal souls back to the love and laughter of Reality, and away from this delusion.
The question of this thread is:
" What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality?"
And to answer that, I can only suppose, eternity in a body, even if it were a healthy body, would probably lead to idiocy or insanity.
If 52midnight is correct, and "consciousness" can be technologically attached to an avatar . . . . Something only the Very Wealthy among us could think of doing . . . . Then all I can imagine is a very dangerous and violent insanity.
What is this "consciousness" ???
We are not our bodies, and we are not the constant thinking in our brains.
This constant thinking is, I think, created to hold the veil in place, to make us think that we are conscious and that this life is "real."
While living in our bodies, our subconscious instincts and emotions and obsessions, trump the logic of brain thinking all the time, for both good and ill.
A detached part of us observes this "human self." (The I Am One Part. The I Am All Things and I Am No Thing at the same moment, part. The Immortal Soul part.)
So this "consciousness ??" is trapped in a machine for hundreds or thousands of years ??? Oh, I pray that those in charge of caring for these bionic avatar machines, awakes to compassion, and pulls the plug.
RE: What are the consequences of achieving physical immortality? - 52midnight - 04-06-2013
> If 52midnight is correct, and "consciousness" can be technologically attached to an avatar . . . . Something only the Very Wealthy among us could think of doing . . . . Then all I can imagine is a very dangerous and violent insanity.
As 'far out' as it sounds, I believe that this is immediately and urgently relevant to the present situation on this planet. Amongst the multitude of infinitely varied reports of the advent of ETs on Earth are those concerning what appear to be highly 'advanced' and psychically empowered beings who could manipulate and transform their physical environment at will; levitating large masses, raising mountains and cutting rivers, and the like. As impossible as it may seem to us, these powers may well exist during the terminal phases of a long STS evolution, and the being concerned would be so trapped within its own consciousness as to to be ... yes, dangerously and violently insane.
Should this planet follow the Transhumanist or a similar agenda, it could well give rise to a number of such creatures who would engage in a long battle for personal supremacy, and the 'winner' would become a being such as I have described. Ra makes no mention of these possibilities, given the formal constrains it adopts, but anyone who has studied historical reports with open eyes and an understanding of the REAL possibilities inherent in eternal evolution will perceive them.