(03-16-2013, 11:08 AM)We are God Wrote: If service-to-self behavior provides service to others and service-to-others is ultimately self-serving, then how is it ever possible to achieve a grade of +51% service-to-others or +95% service-to-self?

Quote:My practice consists of absorbing then radiating love and light to all - afterall, how can you absorb forever or radiate forever? Isn't that akin to inhaling forever or exhaling forever?

Quote:Ra spoke of a positive wanderer who incarnated on Venus during his third density cycle and, in the desire to serving others, found the so-called negative path to be more fruitful for this purpose. This entity was then harvested in a negative orientation. If this entity did this to serve others, how was this entity harvest-able in such a way?

(03-16-2013, 11:08 AM)We are God Wrote: Hey. This is my first post here; I'm a 23 year old mystic living on the east coast. I've scrolled through here briefly and did not see a discussion about polarity. I thought it may be a good idea to make a thread about this considering the current harvest. Anyway, I'd firstly like to thank you all for all that you've offered. Second, I have questions to ask of you, and some thoughts to share.

If your desire is to serve others, then by serving others aren't you ultimately serving yourself?
I imagine this is how a negative-oriented entity would interpret a positive entity's behavior.

If your desire is to serve yourself at the expense of others, then by doing so you are providing catalyst for others and in turn offering them service, are you not?
This question has already been somewhat validated by the material. It's a reverse of the first situation.

Anyway, the purpose of the above questions is to inspire contemplation and to lead in to this next question.
If service-to-self behavior provides service to others and service-to-others is ultimately self-serving, then how is it ever possible to achieve a grade of +51% service-to-others or +95% service-to-self?

We can extend this question further. There was an analogy in the material where the positive path was likened to that which radiates, and the negative to that which absorbs. My practice consists of absorbing then radiating love and light to all - afterall, how can you absorb forever or radiate forever? Isn't that akin to inhaling forever or exhaling forever? I do both - I absorb and radiate. I appreciate all of the different aspects of existence. However, this doesn't sound like +51% or +95%, does it? It sounds more like 50/50, which is a failing grade, isn't it?

I have another question. This one relating to a specific example given in the LOO. Ra spoke of a positive wanderer who incarnated on Venus during his third density cycle and, in the desire to serving others, found the so-called negative path to be more fruitful for this purpose. This entity was then harvested in a negative orientation. If this entity did this to serve others, how was this entity harvest-able in such a way?

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

(03-16-2013, 07:43 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

Because it's impossible to do anything else.

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

(03-16-2013, 11:02 PM)xise Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

I can only speak from experience I gathered in my journey, but without great honesty it was hard to differentiate between the desires of my mind/ego, and the natural vibration of my being.

(03-16-2013, 11:08 AM)We are God Wrote: If your desire is to serve others, then by serving others aren't you ultimately serving yourself?

Ra, 7.15 Wrote:However, service to others results in service to self...

We are God Wrote:If your desire is to serve yourself at the expense of others, then by doing so you are providing catalyst for others and in turn offering them service, are you not?

Ra, 19.15 Wrote:The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

Ra 18.6 Wrote:Thus, you have two simple directives: awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in nature, awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in self to be shared, when it seems appropriate, by the entity with the social complex, and you have one infinitely subtle and various set of distortions of which you may be aware; that is, distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit.

We are God Wrote:We can extend this question further. There was an analogy in the material where the positive path was likened to that which radiates, and the negative to that which absorbs. My practice consists of absorbing then radiating love and light to all - afterall, how can you absorb forever or radiate forever? Isn't that akin to inhaling forever or exhaling forever? I do both - I absorb and radiate. I appreciate all of the different aspects of existence. However, this doesn't sound like +51% or +95%, does it? It sounds more like 50/50, which is a failing grade, isn't it?

We are God Wrote:I have another question. This one relating to a specific example given in the LOO. Ra spoke of a positive wanderer who incarnated on Venus during his third density cycle and, in the desire to serving others, found the so-called negative path to be more fruitful for this purpose. This entity was then harvested in a negative orientation. If this entity did this to serve others, how was this entity harvest-able in such a way?

Ra, 89.35 Wrote:First one entity began its work. Quickly the second found the first. These entities had agreed to serve together and so they did, glorifying the One Creator, but not as they intended. About them were soon gathered those who found it easy to believe that a series of specific knowledges and wisdoms would advance one towards the Creator. The end of this was the graduation into fourth-density negative of the Wanderers, which had much power of personality, and some small deepening of the negatively polarized element of those not polarizing positively. There was no negative harvest as such.

(03-16-2013, 11:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 11:02 PM)xise Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

I can only speak from experience I gathered in my journey, but without great honesty it was hard to differentiate between the desires of my mind/ego, and the natural vibration of my being.

Is your claim that it's all about honesty, itself, an honest statement? Or is it a product of failure to differentiate between the desire of your mind/ego and natural vibration of your being?

(03-16-2013, 08:20 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 07:43 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 07:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

Why is that?

Because it's impossible to do anything else.

On the contrary, I'd say it's quite possible to not have great honesty.

(03-16-2013, 11:08 AM)We are God Wrote: If this entity did this to serve others, how was this entity harvest-able in such a way?

(03-16-2013, 12:23 PM)Aureus Wrote: The heart will cause your hands and arms to radiate. You can test this yourself by pointing a finger towards the opposing palm, if you're sensitive enough, you'll feel a slight fuzzy/buzzy sensation. A sign of high amounts of this energy can manifest itself as very thich hair upon your head.

(03-17-2013, 04:50 AM)Meerie Wrote:

(03-16-2013, 12:23 PM)Aureus Wrote: The heart will cause your hands and arms to radiate. You can test this yourself by pointing a finger towards the opposing palm, if you're sensitive enough, you'll feel a slight fuzzy/buzzy sensation. A sign of high amounts of this energy can manifest itself as very thich hair upon your head.

Heart energy can manifest as thick hair upon your head?
can you elaborate on that?
thanks

(03-16-2013, 05:34 PM)xise Wrote: In the end it's all about vibrating at the level that's comes naturally to you, with great honesty.

(03-17-2013, 12:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:

Ra, 19.15 Wrote:The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

(03-17-2013, 09:07 AM)We are God Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 12:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:

Ra, 19.15 Wrote:The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

On one level, I understand completely. On another level, this confuses me greatly. I don't just view family as self - I view all as self. I am you. I am Ra. I am all things. This doesn't seem like the beginning of the road; in fact, there doesn't seem to be any road at all. Everything is a vibration, a movement; there is only movement - but since there is only movement and no other possibility, there is actually never any movement at all - does this make sense?

(03-17-2013, 09:07 AM)We are God Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 12:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:

Ra, 19.15 Wrote:The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

On one level, I understand completely. On another level, this confuses me greatly. I don't just view family as self - I view all as self. I am you. I am Ra. I am all things. This doesn't seem like the beginning of the road; in fact, there doesn't seem to be any road at all. Everything is a vibration, a movement; there is only movement - but since there is only movement and no other possibility, there is actually never any movement at all - does this make sense?

(03-17-2013, 03:37 PM)Parsons Wrote: I can see how this would confuse you if taken out of context of the quote. The 'road' of which they speak is referred to the negative path. Viewing the country, the tribe, the biological family as the same as self is an extension of 2nd density thinking. The 2nd density entity views the 'pack' or group of 2nd density beings a LITERALLY themselves, i.e. a predator attacking a packmate is attacking the entity itself, not an 'other' entity. The quote expresses the departure point at which someone is simply 'protecting the pack' by protecting the country-mate in 2nd density thinking and switches over to actual 3rd density STS / the Choice of the negative path/polarity of seeing other entities as 'other' and choosing to control them for the benefit of self.

(03-17-2013, 09:34 AM)Aureus Wrote: It's not only about realizing oneness on a conceptual basis. One could accept being part of one great being, but still not "live" it. Even the darkest of STS-entities can have this knowledge/belief.

Only when the one begins to cultivate an acceptance free of any conditions, will polarity be gained. It's about seeing the self in everything, not limited to realizing one's place in a system and therefore contribute.

That is the beginning of the road to full realization, the heart is the springboard..

(03-17-2013, 03:14 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 09:07 AM)We are God Wrote:

(03-17-2013, 12:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:

Ra, 19.15 Wrote:The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

On one level, I understand completely. On another level, this confuses me greatly. I don't just view family as self - I view all as self. I am you. I am Ra. I am all things. This doesn't seem like the beginning of the road; in fact, there doesn't seem to be any road at all. Everything is a vibration, a movement; there is only movement - but since there is only movement and no other possibility, there is actually never any movement at all - does this make sense?

No.

(03-17-2013, 10:35 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: The effect of service is that the Creator is served. Too much emphasis has been placed on the effects, however. The important difference between STO and STS is not in effect, but in intention. Each provides a certain method or programme of service. The orientation of each programme revolves around a particular kind of service. That the net effect is service to all is of no consequence to walking forward on either path.

(03-17-2013, 07:08 PM)We are God Wrote: Haha. I see - it is something which is very difficult to describe in words. I will attempt to explain.

In each moment, we are either ascending or descending, so to speak; we are either becoming more human or more machine-like, more mindful or more mindless. We are never still - stillness is an illusion. This is simple enough to understand, isn't it?

The only possibility is that we move in one direction or another, the only possibility is that we change. Change is the only constant, but this is where it gets interesting - since there is only change and that fact never changes, change can be said to not exist at all - change is actually the illusion.

So, on one level, there is only change and stillness is illusory; on another level, there is only stillness and change is illusory. It seems paradoxical because both are simultaneously true, but it is more akin to polarity. The reality is change, which is often related to the feminine - it is a dancing. Within this feminine reality is the masculine, which is the unchanging and steady. The 'seen' is the feminine and the 'seer' is the masculine; the 'world' is the feminine and the 'witness' is the masculine.

I hope this makes more sense.

(03-16-2013, 11:08 AM)We are God Wrote: If your desire is to serve yourself at the expense of others, then by doing so you are providing catalyst for others and in turn offering them service, are you not?

(03-17-2013, 11:11 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yeah, the effects of STO interaction aren't an important consideration at all... It's the intention that matters. No, I'm afraid it's not that simple. But in the make-believe, fantasy world where "the power of intention" is discovered, it is indeed. And so we do our best.

"The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war."

Ra, 24.4 Wrote:In the Egyptian and the South American experiments results, though not as widely devastating, were as far from the original intention of the Confederation. It was clear to not only us but also to the Council and the Guardians that our methods were not appropriate for this particular sphere.

Our attitude thus was one of caution, observation, and continuing attempts to creatively discover methods whereby contact from our entities could be of service with the least distortion and above all with the least possibility of becoming perversions or antitheses of our intentions in sharing information.

Ra, 2.2 Wrote:We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power. This was not intended by the Law of One. We left your peoples. The group that was to work with those in the area of South America, as you call that portion of your sphere, gave up not so easily. They returned. We did not.

Ra, 22.26 Wrote:We remind you that we are one of the naïve members of that Confederation and are still attempting to recoup the damage for which we feel responsibility. It is our duty as well as honor to continue with your peoples, therefore, until all traces of the distortions of our teach/learnings have been embraced by their opposite distortions, and balance achieved.

Ra, 23.16 Wrote:As in our experience the teachings were, for the most part, greatly and grossly perverted to the extent in later times of actual human sacrifice rather than healing of humans. Thus, this social memory complex is also given the honor/duty of remaining until those distortions are worked out of the distortion complexes of your peoples.

(03-18-2013, 05:46 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Exactly what role does intention play in determining polarity?