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A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Plenum - 02-05-2013
so, here we are in Feb 2013, and space/time still looks pretty much 3d (at least from my perspective).
working purely from the Ra material, let us see if we can put together a theory of Harvest.
1. the 'harvesting' process has already begun
"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest."
2. those who are not incarnate will be part of the harvest (ie those who had an earth life, and are still undergoing healing)
"17.29 Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
3. all 3d bodies must die
"63.14 The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions."
4. harvestability is gauged by reading the violet ray upon death
"48.7 Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.
Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity."
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6. the 4d positive earth is still coming into being in space/time
"63.25 At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable"
7. 3rd density bodies will evolve to 4th density bodies by natural evolutionary processes
"63.27 This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes."
8. conjecture: all children being born now are 4d positive, and are all dual-activated (harvested entities from earth and other places)
"63.14 We may respond to the heart of your questioning by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented towards service to others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion."
9. the planet will take 100-700 years to transition to full 4d
"40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time."
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Spaced - 02-05-2013
(02-05-2013, 01:52 PM)plenum Wrote: 6. the 4d positive earth is still coming into being in space/time
"63.25 At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable"
I've always been interested in this one. My intuition tells me that 4D Earth is here, but it is only accessible through dreams, and as such is still being shaped by the dreamers who visit it. Who knows if it's true, just something the voices in my head tell me
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - reeay - 02-05-2013
Yes, definitely believe point number 5 is very important
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Plenum - 02-05-2013
(02-05-2013, 03:35 PM)rie Wrote: Yes, definitely believe point number 5 is very important
yes, point number 5 refers to the vast vacuousness inside plenum's consciousness; similiar to the vacuum that birthed Athena from Zeus' large head.
![[Image: M3cYQmG.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/M3cYQmG.jpg)
and thus you are witness to what it is like to birth one of these bring4th posts.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - AnthroHeart - 02-05-2013
(02-05-2013, 01:58 PM)Spaced Wrote: My intuition tells me that 4D Earth is here, but it is only accessible through dreams, and as such is still being shaped by the dreamers who visit it. Who knows if it's true, just something the voices in my head tell me
My dreams have been pretty vivid lately. Though I still don't recall many of them. I wind up feeling positive after them though. Like I had spent time in the company of my guides.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Cyan - 02-05-2013
I think we passed into 4d STS from 3d STS in 2010 to 2013 and from 3d STO to 4d STO every time we want.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - zenmaster - 02-05-2013
So what's your theory plenum? You already have mine. Presumably you subscribe the the conjecture portion?
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - BrownEye - 02-06-2013
(02-05-2013, 01:52 PM)plenum Wrote: 9. the planet will take 100-700 years to transition to full 4d
This is close to my findings from a couple of years ago. Posted in 2010.
Also matches a recent description by Bashar. It will take some time for genetic evolution/modification to have fully bloomed through our birthing methods.
Just talked about a similar concept with my mother this morning. If everyone on the planet started having "green" children, it would not take too long before everyone on the planet was "green".
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - xise - 02-11-2013
(02-06-2013, 01:35 PM)Pickle Wrote:(02-05-2013, 01:52 PM)plenum Wrote: 9. the planet will take 100-700 years to transition to full 4d
This is close to my findings from a couple of years ago. Posted in 2010.
Also matches a recent description by Bashar. It will take some time for genetic evolution/modification to have fully bloomed through our birthing methods.
Just talked about a similar concept with my mother this morning. If everyone on the planet started having "green" children, it would not take too long before everyone on the planet was "green".
I'm guessing that if we wandered to lighten the vibration here on Earth, we're going to stay through the transition to speed up the process.
100-700 years; only about 1-7 more lifetimes assuming we don't spend much space/time balancing in between incarnations. I feel like I'm on the home stretch of a marathon!!
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Siren - 02-11-2013
(02-11-2013, 01:20 PM)xise Wrote: 100-700 years; only about 1-7 more lifetimes assuming we don't spend much space/time balancing in between incarnations. I feel like I'm on the home stretch of a marathon!!
I'd like to offer some thoughts, if I may. Take into consideration that an "optimal" 3rd-density incarnation is close to one thousand years (79.9). The extreme reduction of longevity we now experience (and have grown accustomed to) is due to an excess of non-productive thought-forms and the inability, reluctance, and/or lack of self-responsibility in efficiently processing, using, and integrating catalyst and learn/teaching from experience, both collectively as well as individually.
Also, consider one need not incarnate right away around the same space/time one has just "departed" from. Given the nature of time/space, the "next" incarnation may be either immediately after death, 1000 years into the future, or even back in 20,000 BC in Atlantean times (or any other time period for that matter).
One single incarnation flashes in the blinking of an eye compared to the length and span of one's entire soul-stream. My humble suggestion is that we may all use our present opportunities to the maximum.
We stand at the gates of 4th-density.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Vasistha - 02-12-2013
I guess you are not talking about the time/space post-death harvest mechanics of the steps of light.
Working from two sources from the confederations beside Ra...
1986.07.27, L/Leema Wrote:Therefore, my friends, the time frame for those in third-density physical vehicles attempting to graduate is perhaps as short as three decades, perhaps as long as fifteen. It depends upon how many entities are able to use increasing quantities of fourth-density light vibration, for as we said, this movement into the new fourth-density area of space/time which vibrates in a new fashion shall be one which is gradual and which takes much of your time to occur fully.
1986.07.27, L/Leema Wrote:We feel that this perhaps frees us to speak about the true question, which is the coming of the fourth density. As we have said, your planet vibrates already in fourth density and the time does indeed draw near for entities with fourth-density physical vehicles to begin incarnating upon the level of physical manifestation. Indeed, many among your small children have incarnated with what you may call the double body of third density and fourth density, and by and large this hybrid doubly activated physical manifestation shall continue for some time in your probable future, the time extending somewhere between one and eight centuries.
2005.10.14 Q'uo Wrote:First of all, the likelihood of planetary pole shift is nearly certain. The only question is when that shift shall occur.
2007.02.11. Q'uo Wrote:Therefore, the energy for a pole shift or some other natural kind of disaster cannot be ruled out to express the roughness of the transition over to the main line from the parallel line. Any time a fast-moving vehicle such as a train moves through a shunt from one track to another, there is a bobble in the environment of the people onboard the train. And certainly your people are feeling that bobbling already. And it will continue. And at its end, those who remain upon planet Earth are those who are at least partially capable of dealing with fourth-density energy.
Resume:
1. Time left for graduation (harvest) from 3D to 4D is anywhere from a few days/months/years to 125 years.
2. The end of this period will most probably happen due to a pole shift or some kind of natural global disaster. People at least partially capable of dealing with fourth-density energy (Dual activated body?) will/might remain.
3. Quarantine will stop.
4. It will take something up to 1 to 8 century until true 4D physical vehicle are birthed.
1986.07.27, L/Leema Wrote:And if you are a wanderer, helping with graduation, yet also you must graduate, for you have put yourself within the physical vehicle in an incarnational experience and it is as much your duty as a naturalized citizen of your Earth to achieve harvest as it is any other person. Never think that wanderers are necessarily missionaries who may go home. My friends, you are now natives of Earth until you have graduated again to your native density. Therefore, under no circumstance assume that the lessons of love are not those which must be learned by you.
...
However, we feel that it is safe to recommend that each entity which has decided to attempt to increase the rate of spiritual, mental and emotional evolvement behave as if this were the last chance to achieve a harvestable vibration, for in that way you shall give to your effort all that it deserves.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - pauloflight - 02-12-2013
(02-12-2013, 12:16 PM)Vasistha Wrote: Working from two sources from the confederations beside Ra...
Vasistha where can I read the full transcripts from the other two sources??
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Vasistha - 02-12-2013
(02-12-2013, 08:03 PM)pauloflight Wrote:(02-12-2013, 12:16 PM)Vasistha Wrote: Working from two sources from the confederations beside Ra...
Vasistha where can I read the full transcripts from the other two sources??
On L/L Research transcript pages... http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/transcripts_toc_year.aspx
1986.07.27, L/Leema
2005.10.14, Q'uo
2007.02.11, Q'uo
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Namaste - 02-24-2013
While many of Ra's words regarding the shift from 3D to 4D are very much open to interpretation (David Wilcock being an example, he used only quotes that supported his attachment to an instant global event), some of the information was entirely direct:
(In Ra's own words): It's an anomaly in the cycle of birth/death/reincarnation; the harvest is open to us upon death.
The date - 21/12/2012 - is (was) nothing but a general marker to indicate that upon the death of the 3D vehicle, the ability to ascend (or descend, or remain) is now available. The harvest is a doorway to different densities that comes around once every 25,000 years (hence Ra's words: like the striking of a clock).
You have this entire life to live. The doorway has opened for those incarnate now, and hence for those who passed before the opening (not enough time to reincarnate and learn the lessons of love).
If you're still alive, you have work to do. Get off the internet and get on with being there for others in need :¬)
Fear based energy towards missing the harvest is the kind of STS distraction that could ultimately cause one to get caught up in the maelstrom of negative energy available here. Loving energy towards the well being of others (STO) will ensure you're where you need to be.
Peace :¬)
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - greywolf - 02-26-2013
By my calculations the end of the cycle is about the year 2225 (when the Sun at winter solstice actually crosses the galactic center on the elliptical plane, the Mayan calendar is not really related to this). Ra seems to imply there will be some volcanic eruptions causing disappearance of 3rd density. Also that the harvest will not be large. Ra mentions difficulties with Earth numbers in several places.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=63#24
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=17#1
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - almostdone - 02-26-2013
Still, there quotes that makes things not so clear cut. Why the machine to prolong life was not appropriate? Why Patton died to have a chance to reincarnate immediately to make it for harvest?
Quote:34.18 Questioner: Do we have enough time for me to ask if the death, almost immediately after the cessation of the war of this entity— could that have been so that it could be immediately reincarnated to possibly make harvest?
Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct.
and obviously the "big one":
Quote: 17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - greywolf - 02-26-2013
Hey, I'm not out to debate or remove doubts. Ra mentions the material will "make sense" to those it's intended it for (those who have had similar knowledge in the past presumably). I would not approach it as some religion, just confirmation.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Ankh - 02-26-2013
(02-12-2013, 12:16 PM)Vasistha Wrote: The end of this period will most probably happen due to a pole shift or some kind of natural global disaster.
Not necessarily, according to Ra:
Ra, 63:27 Wrote:To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.
My understanding of the above quote is that transition from third density body complexes into full fourth density body complexes will be gradual, and made through the means of bisexual reproduction. It will be an evolutionary process, and not a sudden process where all third density entities tragically dies, and then, the full activated fourth density entities magically appears.
(02-26-2013, 10:15 AM)almostdone Wrote: and obviously the "big one":
Quote: 17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
What makes the above quote a "big one" in regards to not being so "clear cut"?
My understanding of the above quote, is that the year 2011 is a probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. The harvest is a time/space event, not a space/time phenomenon.
Space/time is, in my understanding, undergoing now a transitional period which will be between 100 and 700 years, where third density body complexes become fourth density.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - almostdone - 02-26-2013
"Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
You can also explain the general Patton mention.
Now, the only harvest occurrence in this planet was at the end of 2nd cycle. Action occurred in space-time. The placement occurs in time-space after indigo body and later anomaly of harvest if I remember well.
The 100-700 is the period of transition. Possibly nothing to do with what is understood by Ra as "harvest".
Brothers/sisters, allow me to pose some questions, I know you cannot answer those but the questions remain. Open to interpretation ? Okay, fair enough. The answers are probably within oneself.
Listen, it is Okay if you think you have the truth and all. It is okay if you think is transitional or sudden or whatever brother/sister. I could care a damn, but at least lets be honest that there are many open questions here if the material is going to have any validity.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Ankh - 02-27-2013
(02-26-2013, 07:07 PM)almostdone Wrote: "Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
You can also explain the general Patton mention.
Now, the only harvest occurrence in this planet was at the end of 2nd cycle. Action occurred in space-time. The placement occurs in time-space after indigo body and later anomaly of harvest if I remember well.
The 100-700 is the period of transition. Possibly nothing to do with what is understood by Ra as "harvest".
Brothers/sisters, allow me to pose some questions, I know you cannot answer those but the questions remain. Open to interpretation ? Okay, fair enough. The answers are probably within oneself.
Listen, it is Okay if you think you have the truth and all. It is okay if you think is transitional or sudden or whatever brother/sister. I could care a damn, but at least lets be honest that there are many open questions here if the material is going to have any validity.
This is not a thread about general Patton. This is a thread about Harvest Mechanics in the Harvest sub-forum on Bring4th.
I asked you a question related to this thread and the topic discussed in here:
(02-26-2013, 03:46 PM)Ankh Wrote:(02-26-2013, 10:15 AM)almostdone Wrote: and obviously the "big one":
Quote: 17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
What makes the above quote a "big one" in regards to not being so "clear cut"?
You don't have to answer it though, brother/sister.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - almostdone - 02-27-2013
Well, you have a good day.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Ankh - 02-27-2013
(02-27-2013, 01:48 AM)almostdone Wrote: Well, you have a good day.
I'm sorry, almostdone. I wasn't trying to be rude or mean. It's just that you asked about this quote:
Ra Wrote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
And I was trying to understand what caused you confusion about it. As far as my understanding of this quote goes, the Harvest that Ra refers to here is a time/space phenomenon. What is happening in space/time is what Ra referred to a transitional period. This is of course just an understanding among many others, and can be rejected or ignored.
In regards to general Patton and why he had to die in order to make the harvest - who knows? Ra said that Patton was seeing universal love but he was still fighting; that there was a rejection of the Law of Responsibility; and that there was a decrease in his harvestability. So maybe he had to be reborn again in a more peaceful region or environment, where there were no wars, so that he could be harvested. Or maybe it was the opposite. The war that he was fighting ended, so he had to be reborn again in an area where there was another war, so that his harvestability could be tested, to see if he would still fight when seeing universal love. It seems to me that Don had some kind of theory or an idea about that when asking Ra this question about general Patton: "Do we have enough time for me to ask if the death, almost immediately after the cessation of the war of this entity— could that have been so that it could be immediately reincarnated to possibly make harvest?" And the only thing that Ra answered was: "This is precisely correct". But if you are interested in this topic, there is a thread about it here on Bring4th, that has to do with this subject. Here is a link to it:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2868
Once again, I appologize if I sounded rude. It was not my conscious intention to do that.
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - suraj - 02-27-2013
Sorry if this sound's like a stupid question - (I have not read the complete Ra Material )
Does it mean we will all go through physical death and only then be harvested to 4th Density (Assuming we are eligible) ?
Some other channelers (Example Sal Rachael) have different opinion wherein Harvestable entity might go through physical changes and can live in the 4th density (Other who die may come back as 4th density OR will be reborn in 3rd density planet to complete their 3rd experience)
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - greywolf - 02-27-2013
My understanding is this dual body concept applies to visitors who have "graduated" elsewhere and come here only for 4th density.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=63#21
On the other hand I would not view it as dictated from above since free will applies (that may be why the subject is being perceived as confusingly presented by Ra as well).
RE: A Review of Harvest Mechanics post-2012 - Parsons - 02-27-2013
greywolf, that was 30 years ago. It's possible some graduates from 'this sphere' are incarnating 4D.
suraj, the way I understand it if you are reading this message (assuming you are incarnate 3D), you must die to be eligible to graduate.
63.20 Questioner: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.