Quote:I believe there is quite an amount of irreoncilable differences between Ra's Law of One and the fundamental principles of Abrahamic faiths (Though I will be speaking mainly through a Christian perspective, if that even makes a difference with this topic).

One could take certain statements from the Bible and see them as parallels towards the principles of the LOO but I see this as quite a stretch as, in the context of the scriptures as a whole, the meanings of these statements do not equal what certain individuals may be interpreting them as. One can cherry pick isolated passages to fit a plethora of meanings, but many times with this being done there arises contradictions to the interpretation among the other bodies of scripture (Not speaking solely of other books in the Bible either).

From what I know of the LOO, it clearly states that all things are one, and all compromise the Creator. This clearly is a pantheistic mentality and it is thoroughly rejected within the Bible which claims God as a sovereign ruler and creator. Continually we are called to be His servants, not essences of Him bearing equality. Nature and the world are created without any signification they are as well apart of Him. God expressly opposed cultures and religions which adhered to such pantheistic mentality as well. These matters are simply not compatible.

From what I also remember, there exists no exact right or wrong within the LOO, as they exist within Abrahamic faiths. Everything is ultimately connected to the Creator. It's all based on ''identity'' within the Creator. Feelings and mentalities of fear, negativity, and etc. are opposed within this doctrine but in a way that states, ''that is not good for your well being,'' not, ''This is evil in the sight of the Lord and worthy of punishment.'' There is a huge difference here.

Ultimately the LOO is just another doctrine from demons which state that we are gods and don't need to be concerned about having a relationship with Jesus Christ as is stated within scriptures. Christ is turned into more of an ideal to metaphysically replicate. The relationship is fundamentally built on a relationship to ourselves, and through ourselves we automatically gain a relationship with ''God,'' for we are all one and the same.

This doctrine takes away the sovereignty of God and seeks to place us at His own level. It turns sins (The rejection of God and His kingdom, worthy of not ever being apart of it (Thus eternally destroyed)) only into errors that inhibit one from ever becoming better in themselves. It takes away all power and correction that can be taken from God and places it into the hands of man. We are to atone for our own mistakes. We are to make ourselves ''holy.'' It's all about us.

This mentality defies the very nature of God, ourselves, the relationship we should seek with Him, the objective laws of all reality, and the consequences of rejecting said laws.

By no means are they in alignment.

Quote:Monism is a point of view within metaphysics which argues that the variety of existing things in the universe are reducible to one substance or reality and therefore that the fundamental character of the universe is unity. Contrasting with this point of view is dualism which asserts that there are two ultimately irreconcilable substances or realities (with consciousness and/or mind on the one hand and matter on the other) or pluralism which asserts any number of fundamental substances or realities more than two. Monisms may be theologically syncretic by proposing that there is one God who has many manifestations in the diverse religious traditions.

Quote:This doctrine takes away the sovereignty of God and seeks to place us at His own level. It turns sins (The rejection of God and His kingdom, worthy of not ever being apart of it (Thus eternally destroyed)) only into errors that inhibit one from ever becoming better in themselves. It takes away all power and correction that can be taken from God and places it into the hands of man. We are to atone for our own mistakes. We are to make ourselves ''holy.'' It's all about us.

(11-30-2012, 05:59 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Jesus was far more aligned with the Law of One than he ever was with the Judaic faith that ended up leading to his death. It's amazing to me that Christians can never separate the Abrahamic OT God and Jesus's gospel, as it was precisely his teachings against the Jewish faith that ultimately put him on the cross.

(11-30-2012, 06:21 PM)Pickle Wrote: Very funny how it works out. Most of the religious on VC that point out everything as being demonic happen to have their perceptions filtered by negative entities. So in reality the only demons are right at their side.

(11-30-2012, 07:05 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Regardless of the individual's circumstances, the thought patterns are ones we all may come across if we discuss the Law of One with devout Christians, Jews, or Muslims. Further, it's interesting because he has a pretty good handle on what the Law of One says, he just doesn't agree with it.

(11-30-2012, 07:38 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Usually somewhere between "To those who wish to sleep we could only offer those comforts designed for the sleeping" and "In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well."

I'm hoping that trying to understand the pattern counts towards "Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make."

(11-30-2012, 08:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure that philosophically they can be reconciled, but tactically there's some hope in that most Christians, etc. don't seem to think of themselves as subscribing to a philosophy of dualism. One way to build bridges would be to do what Jesus did and find the love and light in the existing scriptures and draw attention to those parts.

(11-30-2012, 07:38 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: "Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make."

Quote:The tri-personality of God is exclusively a Christian doctrine and a truth of Scripture.

(11-30-2012, 08:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: One way to build bridges...

(11-30-2012, 08:51 PM)Confused Wrote: Why at all should an attempt be made to build bridges between the LOO and the traditional faiths of the world?

(11-30-2012, 05:45 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: (especially about the Law of One being from demons)

80.10 Wrote:Questioner: The fifteenth archetype is the Matrix of the Spirit and has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

(11-30-2012, 08:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ... I suppose they forgot about the Hindus.

(11-30-2012, 08:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This thought just occurred to me: What if the trinity concept is an attempt at reconciliation? Basically- it is the concept of a triune godhead of Hinduism blended together with the notion that the primary attribute of God is Love.

(11-30-2012, 08:51 PM)Confused Wrote: Why at all should an attempt be made to build bridges between the LOO and the traditional faiths of the world?

(11-30-2012, 09:15 PM)Confused Wrote: Yeah, TN, everybody forgets us

(11-30-2012, 10:11 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(11-30-2012, 08:51 PM)Confused Wrote: Why at all should an attempt be made to build bridges between the LOO and the traditional faiths of the world?

Get a start on fourth density?

(11-30-2012, 10:11 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Get a start on fourth density?

Quote:8.1 Questioner: I have a question regarding what I call the advertising of the Confederation. It has to do with free will. There have been certain contacts allowed, as I understand, by the Confederation, but this is limited because of free will of those who are not oriented in such a way as to want contact. Many people on our planet want this material, but even though we disseminate it many will not be aware that it is available. Is there any possibility of creating some effect which I would call advertising, or is this against the principle of free will?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the path your life-experience complex has taken. Consider the coincidences and odd circumstances by which one thing flowed to the next. Consider this well.

Each entity will receive the opportunity that each needs. This information source-beingness does not have uses in the life-experience complex of each of those among your peoples who seek. Thus the advertisement is general and not designed to indicate the searching out of any particular material, but only to suggest the noumenal aspect of the illusion.

(11-30-2012, 10:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What do you know of the connection with Zoroastrianism I was discussing above?

Quote:80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the seeming polarization towards service to self because the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

(11-30-2012, 11:01 PM)Cyan Wrote: To build bridges across the various islands

(12-01-2012, 05:49 AM)Confused Wrote: I do not consider myself a practicing Hindu. I was born into the tradition and that is about it. I make no big deal about it, personally; and moreover, a true student of the LOO can not make a big deal about his or her illusory personal identity of an incarnation, in my opinion.

Quote:I see no islands, personally; but only a continuous spectrum of devotional thought, typifying the common yearning of the human heart to reach out and spiritually mate with the One Infinite Creator.

(12-01-2012, 05:49 AM)Confused Wrote:

(11-30-2012, 11:01 PM)Cyan Wrote: To build bridges across the various islands

I see no islands, personally; but only a continuous spectrum of devotional thought, typifying the common yearning of the human heart to reach out and spiritually mate with the One Infinite Creator.

(12-01-2012, 02:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I was given the impression that, as those inhabiting the islands grew in awareness through incarnation into the physical, the balancing rod grew thicker and deeper down into the sea. I was further given the impression that the inhabitants of one of these islands decided to do an "experiment" and artificially extend their rod in order to draw more energy from the sea.

Something went "wrong" and it caused huge explosions in the sea. Huge tidal waves went rippling across the sea, causing the nearest islands to pitch and dive precariously... particularly the ones whose balancing rods were not highly developed.

A coalition was made to repair the damage, however in order to do this, the inhabitants of the affected islands needed to go underwater (i.e. physically incarnate) and make the adjustments from the inside.

Here on the flip-side of Creation, earth is the place where this explosions occurred. We experienced these as the detonation of nuclear weapons.

Thus, the "bridges" to be constructed are those between the inhabitants of the affected islands, now incarnated on earth, and those incarnated from the island where the experiment took place. The intent is to use those bridges for dissemination of information which can help to balance the errors in philosophy which provided the foundation for the development of the nuclear weapons.

These errors primarily revolve around a dualistic theology/cosmology wherein there are "good" and "evil" forces in the world. This is the philosophical foundation for the idea that "evil" could be eradicated through the use of nuclear weapons, or threats thereof.

(11-30-2012, 06:21 PM)Pickle Wrote: βαθμιαίος the person that wrote what you quoted was a drug using possessed teenager last time i checked. It's been over a year, so i don't know if his status has changed. His mind has taken on some change removing a small portion of that cognitive dissonance, forcing him to see things differently, but he has not changed much. Still on the orthodox bandwagon. Looking for evil in all the "good" places, unable to see the "bad" that is in his own space.

(11-30-2012, 06:21 PM)Pickle Wrote: Very funny how it works out. Most of the religious on VC that point out everything as being demonic happen to have their perceptions filtered by negative entities. So in reality the only demons are right at their side.

(12-01-2012, 02:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Oh, I didn't mean to make a big deal about it! I was just excited that somebody might be able to confirm or deny my ramblings.

(12-01-2012, 02:53 PM)Cyan Wrote: Really. I see plenty of islands...

(12-02-2012, 01:05 AM)Confused Wrote:

(12-01-2012, 02:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Oh, I didn't mean to make a big deal about it! I was just excited that somebody might be able to confirm or deny my ramblings.

I completely understand, TN.

Lol...at times, human communication can be so complicated as to be lost in translation. I was reading this article the other day as to sometimes how foreigners visiting Sweden can find the local population distant. But in fact, the native population of the country are only very intent upon upholding the noble principle of respecting the right to privacy of others, which however can, in distorted manner, communicate the aura of aloofness.

Similarly, I meant my post about my 'identity' in a very self-effacing manner, which probably looked like I was trying to score a point with you.

If not for the disastrous and painful consequences of human communication (or lack there-of) gone awry on this planet, the whole subtext of human interaction based on communication by words would be so comical, in my opinion!

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(12-01-2012, 02:53 PM)Cyan Wrote: Really. I see plenty of islands...

I understand. However, I choose to behold the wondrous singular waters that hold the multiple islands on its surface.