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Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-21-2012
Okay I'm not entirely new to energy and stuff but I've recently been looking into it much more deeply. I've read a lot but I'm not sure what is bullshit and which is legitimate.
Currently I'm trying to become aware of my energy more and I've come to the conclusion that the left side of my body (the feminine?) is repressed. It's mostly the same in my chakras (from what I feel). Left side is numb. Of course I could be completely wrong and it could be my left side is open and I'm feeling blocks on the right. I'm not entirely sure.
So since you all seem rather adept at energy could you give me some tips? Like the direction of chakra spin, I've read counter-clockwise is clearing, clockwise is charging. But is clockwise mean the spin (on top) is going left or right? Since it depends on the point of perception of the observer.
Any help is appreciated.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Brittany - 10-21-2012
I've never assigned such specifics to my interpretations. I just let the impressions flow. For me energy reading isn't something like astrology, where you write down specific things you feel then consult a chart to decipher its meaning; it is something open-ended and intuitive.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - zenmaster - 10-22-2012
It's open-ended and intuitive. As you learn about your mind and body, you find a way to address pretty much everything of which you can be conscious. I think if there is any right or wrong way it'd have to do with working with preconceptions which serve to block some acceptance of an aspect of self.
I'm not sure why people choose to work directly on chakras when they are simply indicators. After all you have all the information for balancing available as constant and unrelenting feedback. If it's another person's catalyst being observed, you have that as well in the form of their set of personal symbols which will be automatically translated to your set.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-22-2012
@Lynn: I try to do that in conjunction with following the instructions. If they seem ridiculous I don't follow them, if they seem likely I experiment. I think for me it's more of a personal stepping stone until I can get my intuition/awareness up to a level where I can do it your way.
@ZenMaster: I think for the chakras and many of the little psychic exercises out there it's not so much the exercise itself it's that thought is being put into it towards a certain intent. Plus I'm a believer in cause-effect/effect-cause correlation (I don't know the scientific name right now). As far as the last sentence I don't understand... symbols like beliefs/habits/archtypes or...? I also don't understand the observed catalyst part....
Anyways thanks for the input guys.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BlatzAdict - 10-22-2012
(10-21-2012, 11:23 PM)Karl Wrote: So since you all seem rather adept at energy could you give me some tips? Like the direction of chakra spin, I've read counter-clockwise is clearing, clockwise is charging. But is clockwise mean the spin (on top) is going left or right? Since it depends on the point of perception of the observer.
Any help is appreciated.
it doesn't matter what direction you do it. the point is you want something set in your intention that one way is unlocking and the other is charging.
i think if i'm facing forward looking at a clock going clockwise i just imagine my energy doing the same thing faster if i want to lock and charge.
and vice versa for unlocking.
I also use my left hand to unlock, and my right to charge.
i'm right handed so i designate that to be the hand to send energy while the other takes or clears.
Gotta make sure to wash your hands afterwards to get rid of any energetic residue. May not need soap persay just the intention that this water is doing it's job clearing you.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-22-2012
Okay so I attach an intention to a distinct action and then repeat and it and it will become naturally associated that way for me? I'm guessing it has a self-reinforcing kind of thing going on the more often I do it?
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - zenmaster - 10-22-2012
(10-22-2012, 03:10 PM)Karl Wrote: As far as the last sentence I don't understand... symbols like beliefs/habits/archtypes or...?Distortions are expressed and impressed symbolically. Like how the imagination works and what a "dream" is. An archetype is a sort of like a template to enable symbols to manifest. A habit is typically the following of an unconscious pattern. A belief is a more ambiguous term which could be a conviction, an opinion, a hope, a knowing, a system of understanding.
(10-22-2012, 03:10 PM)Karl Wrote: I also don't understand the observed catalyst part....Observed catalyst meaning the perception of someone's distortions.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BlatzAdict - 10-22-2012
(10-22-2012, 05:37 PM)Karl Wrote: Okay so I attach an intention to a distinct action and then repeat and it and it will become naturally associated that way for me? I'm guessing it has a self-reinforcing kind of thing going on the more often I do it?
not that the powerfulness comes from you doing it over and over but it comes from you having the confidence of doing it..
it's that belief that makes it, not the action itself.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - reeay - 10-23-2012
Most of the time I have no clue what I'm doing but using intuition and going with the flow of the moment has helped me. I have a "naive" trust that my inner wisdom will guide me lol.
I aim to balance the entire system rather than focus on one. I ask my higher self and guides to help me to "balance my energy centers" or "understand what is happening." Using imagination and visualizations has worked for me... it works well for so many things... Just letting the imagination flow without questioning or judging/analyzing what is happening in the moment. Maybe I do things in error but it has worked well for me... At the end of it all I feel centered and refreshed.
I ask questions to people who know a lot later and tweak method
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BrownEye - 10-23-2012
(10-21-2012, 11:23 PM)Karl Wrote: Like the direction of chakra spin, I've read counter-clockwise is clearing, clockwise is charging. But is clockwise mean the spin (on top) is going left or right? Since it depends on the point of perception of the observer.
That is simple basics for invoking/vortex or whatever. It's symbolic, and thoughtforming. If you have a person lie down and you test each chakra you will find they each spin differently, and for whatever reasons they may even reverse their direction. If you use a pendulum for vortexing you are using part of a symbol. For manipulating a chakra you don't need to be "on" or in front of the chakra, a symbol will work the same. Colored stones, colored spots on paper, series of numbers, etc. The symbol helps to solidify the mental link/arc. Whether you use the surrogates for yourself or for someone on the other side of the world, the link works the same.
What you are trying to do is create a link and then move energy using that link. Whether you want to remove energy, add energy, or just convert energy. When you do this, especially if you do this a lot, you will get a lot of "spirits" helping you or wanting to help. You will want to learn how to be picky about who/what helps you.
You can't really manipulate the crown chakra easily, and the male and female crowns spin in opposite directions.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-23-2012
@Zenmaster: Interesting I'll have to note those definitions. So as I'm seeing it (and these match the beliefs I've had all-ready, with the exception of the aspects I've had no prior beliefs in) a belief is a personal conscious perception. A habit is like a belief but held in the unconscious level. A symbol is a creative interpretatrion of thoughts (this is something I'm not 'solid' on). And an archtype is like the foundation that symbols build off of, I'm assuming it's something were born with or programmed with at a very early age. And for the catalyst you're saying they'll have their symbols for it but they'll automatically be interpreted by me as my own symbols?
@Blitz: Aye that's how I see it. I just use the action as the point of focus for the intent. If it suceeds it reinforces the belief in the action, therefore manifesting the intent associated with it. I think I described my thought process there properly... thinking isn't my strong point at the moment.
@rie: Yeah I'm trying to use my intuition more with the stuff I do now-days. I don't know why but I like systems. I'd like to create a systematic approach to follow too during times when I'm not "in-touch" intuitionally but honestly I'm mostly obsessed with the idea because I think it sounds cool/fun. Creating stuff... I'm starting to have a lot more trust with my unconscious/intuition/etc it's just a matter of correctly following it without my negative beliefs/habits distorting it and causing inconfidence becoming associated with it.
@Pickle: So the actions used in the chakra system are accepted by the individual to create a method for the person to physically follow to receive/send physical information which then causes a subtle action also? Like a way to allow those who are less psychic-ly developed to perform the psychic functions still? And the symbols are a point of focus for the person as well? As far as spirits are concerned I haven't ever quite had a positive interaction with a spirit (that I know of, there are ones I believe may have occured) so I generally try to avoid all of them.
Okay I think I described my thoughts accurately. If I was overly vague on a subject please feel free to ask me to clarify, it will help me more than you probably to consciously define my thoughts anyways.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - zenmaster - 10-23-2012
(10-23-2012, 03:03 PM)Karl Wrote: @Zenmaster: Interesting I'll have to note those definitions. So as I'm seeing it (and these match the beliefs I've had all-ready, with the exception of the aspects I've had no prior beliefs in) a belief is a personal conscious perception.A belief requires evaluation, whereas a perception doesn't.
(10-23-2012, 03:03 PM)Karl Wrote: A habit is like a belief but held in the unconscious level. A symbol is a creative interpretatrion of thoughts (this is something I'm not 'solid' on).Yes, symbols are representations of concepts (which are thoughts).
(10-23-2012, 03:03 PM)Karl Wrote: And an archtype is like the foundation that symbols build off of, I'm assuming it's something were born with or programmed with at a very early age.Archetypes themselves are outside of time, whereas their personal and collective interpretation is not.
(10-23-2012, 03:03 PM)Karl Wrote: And for the catalyst you're saying they'll have their symbols for it but they'll automatically be interpreted by me as my own symbols?Yes, if your conscious awareness includes that subtle level of communication and communication is possible. "distortions" are presented as symbols to the mind.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-24-2012
Okay so a belief is an evaluation, what's a perception then? A point of view? But don't beliefs affect that? So would that mean the perception is the end result and habits/beliefs/etc are things that cause changes to be made to it before it is perceived?
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - reeay - 10-24-2012
zenmaster - I understand perception as an interpretation of our sensory information, that is based on our beliefs, biases, and assumptions. So I thought perceptions may be evaluated. Could you explain what you mean by perceptions not needing evaluation?
Sorry that I digress from the original topic...
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Spaced - 10-24-2012
(10-24-2012, 05:32 PM)rie Wrote: zenmaster - I understand perception as an interpretation of our sensory information, that is based on our beliefs, biases, and assumptions. So I thought perceptions may be evaluated. Could you explain what you mean by perceptions not needing evaluation?
Sorry that I digress from the original topic...
I'm not zenmaster but I do agree with what he says. Perception is just that, perception. Once you start making judgements on what you see then you get beliefs, biases and assumptions.
To use the Archetypes you have your Catalyst which is interpreted by Significator to turn it into an Experience. The Catalyst exists in the realm of raw perception and only through interpretation does is get assigned a position in the constellation of symbols we know as Experience which we carry around in our heads.
Many people hold firmly onto these symbols, which can lead to a lot of frustration in life. The way I see it instead of holding onto ideas, the mind should be kept soft and inviting, willing to accept things at face value so that ideas can come and nest for a while but are also free to go when they no longer apply, making room for new ideas.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - reeay - 10-24-2012
(10-24-2012, 05:52 PM)Spaced Wrote: I'm not zenmaster but I do agree with what he says. Perception is just that, perception. Once you start making judgements on what you see then you get beliefs, biases and assumptions.
To use the Archetypes you have your Catalyst which is interpreted by Significator to turn it into an Experience. The Catalyst exists in the realm of raw perception and only through interpretation does is get assigned a position in the constellation of symbols we know as Experience which we carry around in our heads.
Many people hold firmly onto these symbols, which can lead to a lot of frustration in life. The way I see it instead of holding onto ideas, the mind should be kept soft and inviting, willing to accept things at face value so that ideas can come and nest for a while but are also free to go when they no longer apply, making room for new ideas.
Thank you for that explanation, Spaced.
Perhaps we are speaking of two different modes of perception.
From an observer self (or some call it true self) observation/perceptions are neutral, "it-is-what-it-is." No judgment, no meaning.
For another aspect of self, perception is an interpretation of a phenomenon based on beliefs,biases, values, and assumptions. Thus perception from this level is based on a meaning system that we construct through cultural, societal upbringing.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Spaced - 10-24-2012
(10-24-2012, 06:06 PM)rie Wrote:(10-24-2012, 05:52 PM)Spaced Wrote: I'm not zenmaster but I do agree with what he says. Perception is just that, perception. Once you start making judgements on what you see then you get beliefs, biases and assumptions.
To use the Archetypes you have your Catalyst which is interpreted by Significator to turn it into an Experience. The Catalyst exists in the realm of raw perception and only through interpretation does is get assigned a position in the constellation of symbols we know as Experience which we carry around in our heads.
Many people hold firmly onto these symbols, which can lead to a lot of frustration in life. The way I see it instead of holding onto ideas, the mind should be kept soft and inviting, willing to accept things at face value so that ideas can come and nest for a while but are also free to go when they no longer apply, making room for new ideas.
Thank you for that explanation, Spaced.
Perhaps we are speaking of two different modes of perception.
From an observer self (or some call it true self) observation/perceptions are neutral, "it-is-what-it-is." No judgment, no meaning.
For another aspect of self, perception is an interpretation of a phenomenon based on beliefs,biases, values, and assumptions. Thus perception from this level is based on a meaning system that we construct through cultural, societal upbringing.
Yes, that makes sense. Reminds me of the concept of Habitus.
I see the habitus as being a set of masks we've developed to make interactions out in the field more efficient and productive, but in the end they are still masks.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - reeay - 10-24-2012
Exactly, the masks!
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-24-2012
Okay so what do we call the masks perception then?
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - reeay - 10-24-2012
some call it ideal self (as supposed to real self, which has no beliefs or expectations).
others call it fragmented aspect of ourself that needs integration.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BlatzAdict - 10-24-2012
to unleash your feminine side is simply to acknowledge your feelings and be honest with them more than the masculine side which wants to be strong and self sufficient.
it means to release some of that ego concerning how you should or shouldn't act in today's society. Follow your heart, as the more you listen to it, the more that feminine side will come into balance with your masculine
the masculine seeks to change the world around him, while the feminine seeks to stabilize the world within.
in other words, light and love is what i just decribed
or love and light. hahaha but yea i don't know if i linked you to my article about the different chakras
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-24-2012
I'll have to look into that article
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BlatzAdict - 10-24-2012
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2249 this one
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-24-2012
Thanks
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - caycegal - 10-24-2012
Everyone has to find her/his way of channeling with whatever tools are available. For me, my body tells me which parts are in need of attention because those parts need healing. For me the right side (male energy) needs the most healing, apparently.
Are you a person who feels things or a person who thinks about things? Or both equally? These are clues.
Do you make decisions after a lengthy process of making lists and assigning values to the items? Or do you just "know" what's the right course, because it feels right to you?
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BrownEye - 10-24-2012
(10-24-2012, 08:21 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2249 this one
Have you tried keeping the wheel inside a glass jar? Glass will have no effect on psi, yet it is a true test.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - BlatzAdict - 10-24-2012
I will try it
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - zenmaster - 10-24-2012
(10-24-2012, 05:32 PM)rie Wrote: zenmaster - I understand perception as an interpretation of our sensory information, that is based on our beliefs, biases, and assumptions. So I thought perceptions may be evaluated. Could you explain what you mean by perceptions not needing evaluation?I meant that perceptions can exist without evaluation, whereas beliefs can not. Once you evaluate something and it goes into memory you then can form some belief and that belief can then become part of a worldview. A perception is like sensory input, what you touch or feel, or what is presented to awareness, from the unconscious, via the faculty of intuition.
(10-24-2012, 06:06 PM)rie Wrote: Thank you for that explanation, Spaced.Yes.
Perhaps we are speaking of two different modes of perception.
(10-24-2012, 06:06 PM)rie Wrote: From an observer self (or some call it true self) observation/perceptions are neutral, "it-is-what-it-is." No judgment, no meaning.Yes. The meaning has not yet been assigned. Things presented to your conscious awareness based on what you are capable of accepting and your current distortions will form a pattern or dynamic. You first see the pattern or dynamic without engaging rationality.
(10-24-2012, 06:06 PM)rie Wrote: For another aspect of self, perception is an interpretation of a phenomenon based on beliefs,biases, values, and assumptions. Thus perception from this level is based on a meaning system that we construct through cultural, societal upbringing.Yes, then it depends more on context. I perceive a principle vs I believe in a principle has vastly different meaning.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - Karl - 10-25-2012
It sounds like everyone has different definitions for the same words.
(10-24-2012, 09:51 PM)caycegal Wrote: Everyone has to find her/his way of channeling with whatever tools are available. For me, my body tells me which parts are in need of attention because those parts need healing. For me the right side (male energy) needs the most healing, apparently.
Are you a person who feels things or a person who thinks about things? Or both equally? These are clues.
Do you make decisions after a lengthy process of making lists and assigning values to the items? Or do you just "know" what's the right course, because it feels right to you?
I feel things but I base my decisions off of thought with a limited input from emotion. I've seen a lot of people make bad decisions based off of emotions when I was growing up so I tend to view it in a negative context.
RE: Auras/Chakras/Energy Question Regarding Clearing - zenmaster - 10-25-2012
(10-25-2012, 05:56 PM)Karl Wrote:I believe she's talking about "feeling" in the Jungian sense of the faculty of rational evaluation. It's what you'd use to arrange furniture in a desirable manner or to know how to match patterns, for example.caycegal Wrote:Are you a person who feels things or a person who thinks about things? Or both equally? These are clues.
Do you make decisions after a lengthy process of making lists and assigning values to the items? Or do you just "know" what's the right course, because it feels right to you?
I feel things but I base my decisions off of thought with a limited input from emotion. I've seen a lot of people make bad decisions based off of emotions when I was growing up so I tend to view it in a negative context.
Feeling and thinking are time/space and space/time evaluations functions.
Women tend to be biased to feeling and men to thinking.