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working with yellow ray - Plenum - 09-23-2012
I have been working on some yellow ray issues and have taken a new tack recently.
basically, I am addressing the yellow ray issue by asking the question - what do I think of myself when I think of my 'social self'?
this 'social self' is the mental construct of how we think interactions are going to play out when we interact with others. It is the agglomeration of all the given memories that we have had with our parents, siblings, relatives, high school friends, workmates, and other acquaintances.
it is a separate thing from our physical being in a social interaction (we may be quite young and pretty, and yet have a bad self-image of ourself, affecting the yellow ray interaction).
I used as a springboard the example of Albert Schweitzer that Ra gave:
Quote:34.10 This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts.
I imagine that his social self was confident, trusting that he would be accepted into the high ranks of society, that he would be welcome in his efforts and speeches, and that he had the respect of many in his endeavour to help those in Africa.
when I look at my social self there are still some anxieties -
* if I lose my job, would I find another one quite easily (social ease, social credentials, well connected)
* I may have mentioned that I was bullied in my younger years because of my race, and so whenever there is a new interaction in the real world, there is this automatic question - "am I going to be rejected just because I am Asian?". This should no longer be an issue (Sydney is very multicultural these days), but this is a lingering scar from childhood that still needs some healing on my part.
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the proof will be in the pudding of course. If I think I have corrected some of these yellow ray imbalances the effect will show by a changed approach to my societal self. Would I approach interactions with more confidence and less doubt, would I dance more freely through the physical social space (I always think of a ballroom when I think of yellow ray, a la the unrestricted dancing thoughts of session 1).
RE: working with yellow ray - zenmaster - 09-23-2012
Both of those examples are orange-ray (which supports yellow-ray efforts):
Anxieties related to ability (social or not)
How you see yourself (social situations or not).
Yellow-ray involves the actual interactions within the social structure, including the interpretation and use of the social complex.
RE: working with yellow ray - Ens Entium - 09-23-2012
(09-23-2012, 06:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Both of those examples are orange-ray (which supports yellow-ray efforts):
Anxieties related to ability (social or not)
How you see yourself (social situations or not).
Yellow-ray involves the actual interactions within the social structure, including the interpretation and use of the social complex.
Then do you know of a question or an idea (diagnostic) that distinguishes "the actual interactions" from the personal issues around them and from how we see ourselves in relation to them?
RE: working with yellow ray - zenmaster - 09-23-2012
(09-23-2012, 07:07 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: Then do you know of a question or an idea (diagnostic) that distinguishes "the actual interactions" from the personal issues around them?With orange ray unblocked, yellow ray may then be utilized to develop an ego which is aware of self-management, and of its role and potential role in the social condition. The awareness provides opportunity to refine, navigate, control, extend "other-self" interactions, culture, institutions, law, etc.
The diagnostic question would not be "how do I feel about being in a situation (social or otherwise)", it would be "am I effectively determining, experiencing, and managing social opportunities.". Developing such a stable ego is the whole point of 3rd density.
RE: working with yellow ray - Ens Entium - 09-23-2012
Hey plenum
It may be help to consider yellow ray issues in an extraverted way. I think your question to address the issues furthers the focus on yourself, which I think is another thing that can come between you and the interaction.
Because the 'societal self' can have a range of concerns across the rays, an avenue is to think of the 'societal self' as the self (apparatus) within the social structure/terrain -- group assumptions and concerns, how and what projections groups predispose to, social value and currency among groups, 'natural' perceptions of you. These 'groups' you can think of subsets of people as defined according aspects of their identity that distinguish them outside of themselves and in the wider world - so gender, occupation, religious views, etc. Along with it being the self within that structure or 'group terrain' it's that part of self which has the (particular (to society)) social tools available to it.
In short it's that aspect of you situated in the group terrain context (and how that defines you and what that means for you) along as the apparatus/vehicle with which you navigate that terrain, using the social tools available.
The questions then become, "how do I use those tools to relate to the social/group structures I come across?", "is my view of the group terrain helpful?" and so on.
(09-23-2012, 07:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(09-23-2012, 07:07 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: Then do you know of a question or an idea (diagnostic) that distinguishes "the actual interactions" from the personal issues around them?With orange ray unblocked, yellow ray may then be utilized to develop an ego which is aware of self-management, and of its role and potential role in the social condition. The awareness provides opportunity to refine, navigate, control, extend "other-self" interactions, culture, institutions, law, etc.
The diagnostic question would not be "how do I feel about being in a situation (social or otherwise)", it would be "am I effectively determining, experiencing, and managing social opportunities.". Developing such a stable ego is the whole point of 3rd density.
Hmmm... Thank you.
A quick question, how have you come to know that your orange ray is unblocked.
My 'yellow ray' view on things, and interaction in general, is limited because I have the concern that whatever orange ray issue or imbalance I have is being thrown into the situations; and that can quite quickly hijack my attention away from the yellow ray stuff.
RE: working with yellow ray - zenmaster - 09-23-2012
(09-23-2012, 07:43 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: A quick question, how have you come to know that your orange ray is unblocked.Personally? I am still working on different aspects of it. The way to know it's unblocked is to become fully congruent with your personal feelings when they are challenged. The emotional reactions are usually the guide.
(09-23-2012, 07:43 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: My 'yellow ray' view on things, and interaction in general, is limited because I have the concern that whatever orange ray issue or imbalance I have is being thrown into the situations; and that can quite quickly hijack my attention away from the yellow ray stuff.I think that with yellow ray, you're always going to have orange ray thrown into situations (for better or worse). It's just that with a *blocked* orange ray, you will not be able to appreciate and teach/learn or learn/teach about yellow-ray concepts and activities nearly as much. Yellow ray interactions will inevitably call upon different aspects of orange, possibly bringing to bear that which has been neglected and still in need of balance.
RE: working with yellow ray - Plenum - 09-23-2012
hey Ens and zen, thanks for the discussion. It was very helpful.
I guess I've always seen orange and yellow ray as somewhat intertwined - orange being personal power and yellow being social power, and as you've pointed out, one informs the other.
thanks again.
RE: working with yellow ray - jacrob - 09-23-2012
(09-23-2012, 08:28 PM)plenum Wrote: hey Ens and zen, thanks for the discussion. It was very helpful.
I guess I've always seen orange and yellow ray as somewhat intertwined - orange being personal power and yellow being social power, and as you've pointed out, one informs the other.
thanks again.
Hi Plenum, I hear ya with the racial programming. It makes you feel separate from everyone else. The educated responses you've already received may be very valuable. So it's with hesitation I offer my Pixie-Ann grade suggestion; grab yourself a Herkimer Diamond. I've found them valuable in recognising your power, and drawing your attention to where it's lacking and requires some propping up. You've got Love and Wisdom in spades, so a power crystal may help amplify your inner strength. Good luck.
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RE: working with yellow ray - zenmaster - 09-23-2012
Also citrine (if you 'resonate' with it).
RE: working with yellow ray - Plenum - 01-05-2013
another way of looking at yellow ray might be to consider it as "perceived social effectiveness".
this is a self-assessment on the part of the individual; and there will always be feedback from interaction with others as to how 'effective' you happen to be.
although, examining my own blockages, one can hold onto memories and mitakes that are long past in relation to social interactions, and perpetuate a blockage or misunderstanding that way, despite having moved on a fair ways.
RE: working with yellow ray - Plenum - 05-15-2013
(09-23-2012, 06:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Both of those examples are orange-ray (which supports yellow-ray efforts):
Anxieties related to ability (social or not)
How you see yourself (social situations or not).
Yellow-ray involves the actual interactions within the social structure, including the interpretation and use of the social complex.
again, +1 to zen for correct diagnosis.
I've finally managed to address those orange-ray issues (self confidence, self belief) and that has most definitely helped with the expression/participation in yellow ray activities.
namaste for your sharp eye.
RE: working with yellow ray - Jeremy - 05-15-2013
How do you effectively develop an ego without become egotistical? At work, I can become completely involved with a patient as far as getting to know them and their problems and talking them through the particular exam. But when it comes to striking up a conversation with a stranger outside of this comfort zone, I go completely blank on what to even talk about. This even extends to people I work with within the hospital but not within my own department. I just can't think of how to begin any type of conversation
I'm particularly lacking in the confidence issue when it comes to meeting a woman. I've been told I'm a decent looking guy but I don't want to allow it to go to my head so to speak and I feel as if I use my looks to woo a woman, I'm using it in an STS sort if way. I'm definitely not looking to simply get laid as I've never really been the promiscuous type (though it would be nice lol). So I've told myself that its not only for my betterment but a potential joined pair where we both gain something but I'm still stuck at hello so to speak.
RE: working with yellow ray - Hototo - 05-15-2013
I used to swim in a sea of confidence. Then I had a glimpse of how little I actually warrant the confidence I have. I have since then taken to not having a confidence and simply accepting and or defaulting for the lowest yet accetable societal role in the totem pole.
It saves me so much time that I used to spend on confidence. Now I can just work on my skills and enjoy the people, instead of working on the people and enjoying the skills.
I hope that makes sufficient sense.
RE: working with yellow ray - Sagittarius - 05-15-2013
(05-15-2013, 07:54 AM)Not Sure Wrote: Now I can just work on my skills and enjoy the people, instead of working on the people and enjoying the skills.
I have gone through a similar change and that sentence sums up the results perfectly.
RE: working with yellow ray - Hototo - 05-15-2013
I'm even starting to enjoy the people who annoy me.
RE: working with yellow ray - ChickenInSpace - 05-16-2013
I don't know if it's related or a potential hijack of topic but the OP reminded me of a skill I possibly had all along but learned to activate only in later stages of present life.
In essence it's mostly a matter of surfing on the energy of a crowd; the more people and the more excited or emotional the greater energy and creativity I can harness.
Is this related to the yellow chakra?
RE: working with yellow ray - xise - 05-21-2013
I've asked myself the same question when it comes to ego. I think feeling powerful is not the ego we are trying to avoid. I think feeling a sense of superiority over others is more of the ego we are trying to avoid. I think confidence in oneself that is independent of comparison to other selves is key.
For me, a big issue concerning my yellow ray was not feeling guilty about wielding power and feeling powerful. Feeling good about power, even loving power, as another aspect of the One Creator, is something that I'm happy to say that I think I'm finally internalizing!
(05-15-2013, 06:48 AM)Jeremy Wrote: How do you effectively develop an ego without become egotistical? At work, I can become completely involved with a patient as far as getting to know them and their problems and talking them through the particular exam. But when it comes to striking up a conversation with a stranger outside of this comfort zone, I go completely blank on what to even talk about. This even extends to people I work with within the hospital but not within my own department. I just can't think of how to begin any type of conversation
I'm particularly lacking in the confidence issue when it comes to meeting a woman. I've been told I'm a decent looking guy but I don't want to allow it to go to my head so to speak and I feel as if I use my looks to woo a woman, I'm using it in an STS sort if way. I'm definitely not looking to simply get laid as I've never really been the promiscuous type (though it would be nice lol). So I've told myself that its not only for my betterment but a potential joined pair where we both gain something but I'm still stuck at hello so to speak.
RE: working with yellow ray - reeay - 05-21-2013
What is power?
Additional questions
What did you learn about power in own life?
What are your personal beliefs around power?
How did these beliefs come about?
RE: working with yellow ray - Adonai One - 05-21-2013
(05-21-2013, 09:21 PM)rie Wrote: What is power?
Love/Hate + Wisdom
RE: working with yellow ray - xise - 05-22-2013
Quote:What is power?Power is the ability to manifest your will into reality. The potential to change, create, or destroy as you wish. Not being limited in any shape, way or form, unless you desire to be limited.
Quote:Additional questionsPower is not inherently evil or corrupt. To believe that power is inherently evil or to believe in the phrase “absolute power corrupts absolutely” means giving up your power to the forces of corruption. Power certain can corrupt people, and so it can be important to discover whether you are a being of compassion or not, else if you are discovering your true being while filled with immense power, you may hurt many unintentionally, only to discover later that you are a believer of compassion.
What did you learn about power in own life?
What are your personal beliefs around power?
Many religious philosophies demonize power, much like they also demonize free sexuality. It makes sense from the religion’s perspective, assuming they knew what they were doing – if you deny the yellow ray, and deny the orange ray, you are precluded (somewhat artificially) from effectively developing into a selfish being. Your options are corralled into living life without meaning, or finding a life filled with compassion, but without belief in the orange, and yellow ray concepts, it is a somewhat painful life.
Exercising personal power does not mean you cannot be compassionate. In fact, there are others who are still searching for their own balance and actually appreciate it when you exercise power, and the associated responsibility for making a decision / putting your vision into action, because they are not confident and do not wish to test their abilities lest you fail. And sometimes, taking the lead when others do not wish to do is a true service to others.
If refuse to recognize your own personal power, subjugating your will to the will of others in an effort to serve them, even if those others are non-service oriented or service to others oriented, you will do them no favors as your artificial suppression of your own desires may seemingly lead to less conflict, but in fact interpersonal conflict is a primary means of catalyst and you deny yourself and the other self that opportunity for learning. Furthermore, as you deny your own desires around others, they start to respect you less and less naturally – because you do not respect your own desires, and your actions place at becoming more and more of a non-entity than a living breathing entity that has wishes and desires. They begin to mirror your own attitude toward yourself – in that your desires and wishes and concerns do not matter because you willing refuse to exercise your own will and power, letting others do so on the basis of their desires, wishes, and own concerns. This is interlinked with communicating your desires and wishes vis-a-vie blue ray.
A lot of women in our society love powerful men. A strong yellow attracts the opposite sex. It was tiresome in the past to don that facade, but now it's no longer a facade. Good times ahead!
To feel powerful is a beautiful way of having hope. When faced with a shitty situation, as long as you can maintain your ability to feel that somehow you have the ability to change it, it gives you great hope. It can also make shitty situations seem of no consequence if you feel you still have the power to carry out your will.
Quote:How did these beliefs come about?I don’t know exactly. Perhaps it was my childhood – first generation Indian American, only child, grew up in the middle of nowhere so my parents were the only interaction after school, and they placed a lot of demands on me. I got a lot of conditional love ideas from them. I learned to suppress my desires to make them happy. I’ve also learned now that you cannot make others happy. You can only make yourself happy. And happiness is internal. I also saw a lot of evil committed by those in power, in the world and at school. The Ra material, and the meditation experiences, and the energy center feedback system let me discover through trial and error it’s only when I really want something badly do I feel energy in my yellow (well, I don't know if it's exactly yellow or a sub-yellow, but specifically right at or half inch above the navel, and the another point right at the diaphragm area...don't think it's orange because painting and women make energy rush to my abdomen area), and I can only maintain it when I don’t feel guilty about feeling powerful. We are power, as well as love, truth, and wisdom, incarnate.
Without a doubt, I’m sure these concepts were something I also came to explore pre-incarnation. So far, so good, the plans working out albeit after a rocky 30 year start… Woot!
RE: working with yellow ray - reeay - 05-22-2013
When thinking about how will is directed, I keep going back to the concept of the discipline of personality.
Ra Wrote:Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.
There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.
When unresolved issues in our unconscious mind are not fully understood and accepted, it may be possible for person to direct will in a way that is harmful to self & others. Person may or may not be aware of this. Perhaps it's possible for person to act-out instinctively w/o being able to have conscious grasp on what is unfolding. The importance of knowing self and accepting, forgiving self is then pretty important.
Family relationships are significant as they are primary context in which we learn about power in relationships with others or with society/social institutions. There may be intergenerational patterns that emerge around issues of power due historical oppression, colonization, immigration, acculturation (adopting mainstream cultures), violence/domestic violence, poverty/wealth, prejudice, racism, slavery, unresolved grief/loss, social status etc. Significant relationships such as romantic relationships and friendships could also shape the way in which we understand power. There's so much to explore in terms of our views around power.
I like the metaphor of constructing and deconstructing self - like we become increasingly aware of self and we construct these images of ourselves and our society that is influenced by our life experiences. Then there comes a time when the process of deconstruction begins where we begin to review how we adopted certain beliefs or values, or began to react to certain events. This was Krishnamurti's processes. He'd grumble about how we've come to be so dependent and unaware of why we are the way we are. Then he'd say let's have a dialogue and encourage people to think for themselves based on their own life experience. Our relationship to society could have so many parallels to our relationship w/in. Great mirror.
RE: working with yellow ray - Plenum - 05-22-2013
(05-22-2013, 01:20 PM)rie Wrote: Family relationships are significant as they are primary context in which we learn about power in relationships with others or with society/social institutions. There may be intergenerational patterns that emerge around issues of power due historical oppression, colonization, immigration, acculturation (adopting mainstream cultures), violence/domestic violence, poverty/wealth, prejudice, racism, slavery, unresolved grief/loss, social status etc. Significant relationships such as romantic relationships and friendships could also shape the way in which we understand power. There's so much to explore in terms of our views around power.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ exactly this.
in repeated conversations with a friend last year, the issue of parents and family came up; more specifically, the point that we inherit more than mere genertics from our parents, we inherit their emotional and social distortions; because just like we learn language and acquire their 'accent' almost automatically (though also being influenced by the wider culture of friends and schoolpeople), we learn the default patterns of interaction by being around our family; it dictates expectations (I do 'this', and 'that' happens, and because it works here, it 'must' apply everywhere, for all people),
it shows up in kids from rich families having a strong tendency (mind you, a 'tendency') for developing an attitude of entitlement and things going their way, and a general tendency (very 'general') of those from lower income families feeling like life is a struggle, and life is inherently precarious and unsafe (attitudes towards money etc, scarcity).
these attitudes persist despite changing circumstances to the contary. Poor folks can stay with a 'hoarding attitude' even when they have broken the shackles of monetary limitation.
the graphic that I told to my friend was that these social/power attitudes that come down through the family line are like the kid standing at the end of a long chain of parents, grandparents, great-grandparents ... and the kid being handed a 'bag of sh*t' as their inheritance lol. Because that's what being exposed to their distortions as a young mind is like; it writes deep impressions into the mind and sets many default expectations and behaviours.
of course, if you take 3 kids from the same family they all don't turn out the same way; personality plays a part in which 'parental distortions' find a loving home or not; and like I said, school and the experience of friends also makes a big stamp on a kid under the age of 10. But that said, you can see kids from the same family carrying the same emotional baggage of their parents unless they choose to consciously address those distortions in some way. More often than not, they are not even recognised as distortions, and people just assume they are inherent qualities of their personality (like I did). They always 'felt that way' or 'reacted that way' ... those distortions were copied from so long ago.
as children and kids, we get lumped with the responsbility of healing those distortions that our parents, despite their best efforts, could not heal.
it is a kind of irony that when we come into this world, our folks tend for us in our relatively helpless state. And when we become older and independent, we in turn have some responsbility to tend to these distortions of our parents; as they have been legacied into our consciousness.
and if we don't, there is a likelihood these inherited distortions (attitudes towards power/society) find their way into our own children.
always, always, heal thyself. It is one of the most vital and helpful things you can do for yourself; and by extension for those around you.
RE: working with yellow ray - reeay - 05-24-2013
(05-22-2013, 03:54 PM)plenum Wrote: it shows up in kids from rich families having a strong tendency (mind you, a 'tendency') for developing an attitude of entitlement and things going their way, and a general tendency (very 'general') of those from lower income families feeling like life is a struggle, and life is inherently precarious and unsafe (attitudes towards money etc, scarcity).
these attitudes persist despite changing circumstances to the contary. Poor folks can stay with a 'hoarding attitude' even when they have broken the shackles of monetary limitation.
There might be more variations within a group than between these 2 groups (rich & poor kids) due to differences in personal distortions that arose out of unique sets of circumstances.
For example, wealthy person from a developing country (where socioeconomic disparity may be severe) may have very different experiences and perspectives/distortion around power compared to a wealthy person from a developed country (where socioeconomic disparity is mild to moderate except the US :p ). Number of generations family had resources or not had resources could influence person's perspective on power. The family's myth (which is a type of distortion) around wealth and power, etc. Coming from families w/ authoritarian or egalitarian values may influence how we understand power and economic resources - some may become rebellious to family influence, some may start a handwaving movement to preach virtue of own values, etc.
There is so much value in reviewing or reflecting on one's relationship to larger groups (family, society, social institutions, history etc) and becoming aware of where our own 'stuff' comes from... bc we are social beings and we are living in a social context of 3D, perhaps.