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Yellow ray in a STO individual - Bring4th_Austin - 08-21-2012
The following 12 posts were split from the errors in transmission thread.
Is it possible that in this exchange, Ra confuses yellow ray with green ray?
Quote:102.11
Questioner: Now, there are two areas that the instrument can look to for curing this problem. I understand that the yellow-ray blockage problem has been completely repaired, shall I say. If this is not correct, could you make suggestions on that, please?
Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.
It seems to me that this description is much more fitting for a completely unblocked green ray; that is, loving all unconditionally (no matter what sort of relationship one has with others).
Also, those on the STS path will unblock yellow ray as well...I can't imagine that an STS entity would be required to do as Ra describes here.
RE: errors in transmission - zenmaster - 08-21-2012
(08-21-2012, 10:08 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Is it possible that in this exchange, Ra confuses yellow ray with green ray?I don't think so. The energy travels from root to crown and is impeded where a center is blocked. One's conciousness is then put into relation of that center's balancing. If the lower is blocked, there would be no capacity for green ray expression. I'm sure you have experienced this at some point or another.
Quote:102.11
Questioner: Now, there are two areas that the instrument can look to for curing this problem. I understand that the yellow-ray blockage problem has been completely repaired, shall I say. If this is not correct, could you make suggestions on that, please?
Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.
It seems to me that this description is much more fitting for a completely unblocked green ray; that is, loving all unconditionally (no matter what sort of relationship one has with others).
RE: errors in transmission - Bring4th_Austin - 08-22-2012
So this passage would be talking about the yellow ray in a green ray activated entity?
RE: errors in transmission - zenmaster - 08-22-2012
(08-22-2012, 12:04 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: So this passage would be talking about the yellow ray in a green ray activated entity?If they're talking about "loving all which are in relationship to it", that'd be yes. If there are significant distortions in the yellow-ray pattern it will block energy. Ra says yellow ray may begin potentiation only once green ray has been activated, which is basically the same thing the earth is attempting to do.
RE: errors in transmission - Patrick - 08-22-2012
Yellow ray is about relationships. So I think Ra did mean yellow ray in this case.
E.g.: Loving your mate and your children unconditionally. But not necessarily doing the same with all other selves (which would be green ray).
RE: errors in transmission - Bring4th_Austin - 08-22-2012
I was interpreting "all in relationship to it" as any entity that entered its perception, and not just personal relationship. For instance, I pass someone on the sidewalk or hear about a stranger from a friend, they are now associated with me in some way no matter how minute.
I would still be curious to see the same statement meant for an STS entity, as Ra says here "each entity must" without discernment between the polarities.
RE: errors in transmission - zenmaster - 08-22-2012
(08-22-2012, 02:00 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I was interpreting "all in relationship to it" as any entity that entered its perception, and not just personal relationship. For instance, I pass someone on the sidewalk or hear about a stranger from a friend, they are now associated with me in some way no matter how minute.Ra is talking about green-ray activity of "love all which are in relationship to it". What they are trying to answer is how yellow-ray may become completely unblocked - which also means the distortions in that center must necessarily be sufficiently balanced. With regards to yellow-ray, the self is put into some balanced social identity with the collective. This is "relationships", but only with respect to social identity.
(08-22-2012, 02:00 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I would still be curious to see the same statement meant for an STS entity, as Ra says here "each entity must" without discernment between the polarities.For the STS entity, Ra would say the entity must sufficiently see self as separate and effectively use others to the point where the entity is fully congruent with their dominating position.
RE: errors in transmission - zenmaster - 08-23-2012
Wanted to follow up with what I was trying to express by yellow-ray "social identity", with this from Ra: "the self in relation to the societal self created by self and other-self."
RE: errors in transmission - Shin'Ar - 08-24-2012
(08-23-2012, 10:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Wanted to follow up with what I was trying to express by yellow-ray "social identity", with this from Ra: "the self in relation to the societal self created by self and other-self."
In other words the self that one becomes in their interaction with society, one aspect of the identity they assume in their interaction with their environment.
RE: errors in transmission - Plenum - 08-24-2012
(08-23-2012, 10:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Wanted to follow up with what I was trying to express by yellow-ray "social identity", with this from Ra: "the self in relation to the societal self created by self and other-self."
would this be the manifest self?
and follow up question - is it possible to work on yellow ray without interaction with other beings?
or can one's yellow ray experiences be understood and incorporated via meditation and contemplation, and the attitude be self-adjusted; ie, that yellow ray here is referring more to yellow ray catalyst.
RE: errors in transmission - Spaced - 08-24-2012
I see yellow ray as the perceived relationship between self and society
RE: errors in transmission - zenmaster - 08-24-2012
(08-24-2012, 10:43 AM)Spaced Wrote: I see yellow ray as the perceived relationship between self and societyBut it's not merely perceived. It's the actual acceptance brought about by working with that level of relationship.
(08-24-2012, 10:13 AM)plenum Wrote:This is the identity of shell fashioned here and what that working affords to the higher-self.(08-23-2012, 10:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Wanted to follow up with what I was trying to express by yellow-ray "social identity", with this from Ra: "the self in relation to the societal self created by self and other-self."
would this be the manifest self?
(08-24-2012, 10:13 AM)plenum Wrote: and follow up question - is it possible to work on yellow ray without interaction with other beings?Yes, but it is extremely difficult because you only have that social aspect of self potentiated. So you'd have to rely on imagination which only goes so far.
(08-24-2012, 10:13 AM)plenum Wrote: or can one's yellow ray experiences be understood and incorporated via meditation and contemplation, and the attitude be self-adjusted; ie, that yellow ray here is referring more to yellow ray catalyst.You're only going to be able to work with what reflection you can get on that aspect of self. There are usually memories that can be explored in contemplation, but that will typically involve prior social interaction. There can be a lot to explore with those memories and working with them is much more efficient if a place has been created to store them.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - AnthroHeart - 08-24-2012
Can you tell if yellow is unblocked by not getting upset if people do you wrong? Is it that simple?
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - zenmaster - 08-25-2012
(08-24-2012, 11:53 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Can you tell if yellow is unblocked by not getting upset if people do you wrong? Is it that simple?No, it's not that simple. Consider all aspects of social identity that are possible. This includes roles and positions, being in power and feeling powerless, achievements, missions, causes, influence, embarrassments, pride, control, safety, fear, etc. If there is significant distortion there will be blockage. If these aspects of self have not been explored and balanced sufficiently, there will probably be potential blockage awaiting. This is after all, a large part of what it means to be "you" here in 3D. One works on that part of oneself in order to individuate enough to participate in the principle of a conscious collective and to actually be able to know what the difference is between themselves and others on that level.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - Liet - 08-25-2012
Similarly as in this quote:
15.12 Wrote:[...]The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex.
When they speak of a blocked yellow ray, they arent implying that the yellow ray is inactive (it may even be extremely active), just that energies arent moving past it.
Quote:Can you tell if yellow is unblocked by not getting upset if people do you wrong? Is it that simple?A simple way of telling if a persons yellow ray is unblocked is wether the person is open... or, nice without hidden motive.
Anger can be negated in many ways, one by controlling/directing it (yellow), one by cooling it (indigo), one by loving yourself (as to make sure you dont do anything hasty in vain that would come back and bite you later(vermilion)) or whoever is the target of this anger(green; other self, pink; universe).
And lastly, the stability attained from the bottom of the roots (rubyred) to make sure no sudden extreme change in emotional state occur.
....Most energies.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - zenmaster - 08-25-2012
(08-25-2012, 02:11 AM)Liet Wrote: Anger can be negated in many ways, one by controlling/directing it (yellow), one by cooling it (indigo), one by loving yourself (as to make sure you dont do anything hasty in vain that would come back and bite you later(vermilion)) or whoever is the target of this anger(green; other self, pink; universe).There are different types of anger which, like fear, all have an emotional content with purpose of separation (scattering, distancing, punishing, etc) . With the anger due to a failed projection, for example, the underlying misunderstandings of self which allowed it in the first place must be addressed through acknowledgement. Remember, displacing the anger does nothing but re-potentiate it.
And lastly, the stability attained from the bottom of the roots (rubyred) to make sure no sudden extreme change in emotional state occur.
....Most energies.
RE: errors in transmission - Bring4th_Austin - 08-25-2012
(08-22-2012, 12:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-22-2012, 12:04 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: So this passage would be talking about the yellow ray in a green ray activated entity?If they're talking about "loving all which are in relationship to it", that'd be yes. If there are significant distortions in the yellow-ray pattern it will block energy. Ra says yellow ray may begin potentiation only once green ray has been activated, which is basically the same thing the earth is attempting to do.
This conversation has prompted me to rehash my rather cursory understanding of the energy centers according to Ra, and it brings me around to a concept which seems to be simple for others to grasp, yet I don't feel I've ever had solid comprehension of...that would be the idea of potentiation as Ra uses it.
The first few times reading through the material, I was unfamiliar with the word but assumed it meant "being in a state of potential." I understood this to be the opposite of activation, a state where the potential "collapsed" into a specific state of being.
This understanding seems to me now to be either only half-right, or completely misguided.
Three different dictionary definitions of potentiation are
"The action of a substance, at a dose that does not itself have an adverse action, in enhancing the effect of another substance."
"To cause to be potent; make powerful."
"To increase the effectiveness of; intensify."
I can understand this, to a point, in context to what we are currently discussing. I'm not even sure how to ask this question other than to say, is there any possible way someone could try to clear this up for me? I'm not really sure why this seems to slip from my grasp of understanding.
RE: errors in transmission - βαθμιαίος - 08-25-2012
(08-25-2012, 09:01 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: The first few times reading through the material, I was unfamiliar with the word but assumed it meant "being in a state of potential." I understood this to be the opposite of activation, a state where the potential "collapsed" into a specific state of being.
I think that's basically the sense used in the questions/answers about yellow ray going into potentation, such as this one:
Quote:63.8 Questioner: From last session, I would like to continue with a few questions about the fact that in fourth density red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, you say we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition from— through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as the green comes into total activation, and what is that process?
(08-25-2012, 09:01 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: "The action of a substance, at a dose that does not itself have an adverse action, in enhancing the effect of another substance."
"To cause to be potent; make powerful."
"To increase the effectiveness of; intensify."
I think these definitions are relevant in the discussion of the potentiators of mind, body, and spirit.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - TheInfinite1 - 08-27-2012
The Yellow Chakra was being spoken of here.
The green ray center is functioning when one is able to express Universal Love and compassion with no return. For it to be functioning an entity must first wish joy and well being for all others (unblocked yellow ray center).
Because the green ray center is a secondary energy center for it to be fully active there must be a somewhat unblocked blue energy ray center so that with the wishing wellness for others (yellow) and the open communication (blue) combine to make the open expression of Universal Love and compassion (green) be in effect.
Just like two primary colors who make a secondary color - it is congruent yellow+blue=green.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - AnthroHeart - 08-27-2012
(08-27-2012, 04:08 AM)TheInfinite1 Wrote: The green ray center is functioning when one is able to express Universal Love and compassion with no return. For it to be functioning an entity must first wish joy and well being for all others (unblocked yellow ray center).
Because the green ray center is a secondary energy center for it to be fully active there must be a somewhat unblocked blue energy ray center so that with the wishing wellness for others (yellow) and the open communication (blue) combine to make the open expression of Universal Love and compassion (green) be in effect.
Just like two primary colors who make a secondary color - it is congruent yellow+blue=green.
That's a good first step, though I think there's more to it to have an unblocked yellow ray. As Zen mentions in an earlier post, it's about our daily interactions with others. It's how we ourselves respond in addition to this wishing joy for others. Some others may not be ready for joy and love, and so offering that to these people might be infringing on their free will. We learn as we go, so it gets easier.
RE: errors in transmission - Bring4th_Austin - 08-27-2012
(08-25-2012, 09:52 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(08-25-2012, 09:01 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: The first few times reading through the material, I was unfamiliar with the word but assumed it meant "being in a state of potential." I understood this to be the opposite of activation, a state where the potential "collapsed" into a specific state of being.
I think that's basically the sense used in the questions/answers about yellow ray going into potentation, such as this one:
Quote:63.8 Questioner: From last session, I would like to continue with a few questions about the fact that in fourth density red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, you say we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition from— through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as the green comes into total activation, and what is that process?
(08-25-2012, 09:01 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: "The action of a substance, at a dose that does not itself have an adverse action, in enhancing the effect of another substance."
"To cause to be potent; make powerful."
"To increase the effectiveness of; intensify."
I think these definitions are relevant in the discussion of the potentiators of mind, body, and spirit.
That's a bit simpler than I was really making it out to be, I suppose.
The part that is still evading me is particularly the concept Zen spoke about in an earlier post...which Ra mentions here:
Quote:39.10
When green ray has been activated we find the third primary ray being able to begin potentiation.
What is the difference between yellow ray prior to activation, having the potential for activation and so being in "potentiation," and what Ra speaks about here?
Is the difference simply that, now that green has been activated, the activation of yellow is now able to be determined by green ray activity? Yellow ray would really be going back into potentiation, just this time with a different type of potential?
RE: errors in transmission - βαθμιαίος - 08-27-2012
(08-27-2012, 03:42 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: The part that is still evading me is particularly the concept Zen spoke about in an earlier post...which Ra mentions here:
Quote:39.10
When green ray has been activated we find the third primary ray being able to begin potentiation.
What is the difference between yellow ray prior to activation, having the potential for activation and so being in "potentiation," and what Ra speaks about here?
Is the difference simply that, now that green has been activated, the activation of yellow is now able to be determined by green ray activity? Yellow ray would really be going back into potentiation, just this time with a different type of potential?
I don't believe that quote has to do with yellow ray. The third primary ray is blue ray:
Quote:41.25 Questioner: Why are the red, yellow, and blue energy centers called primary centers? I think from previous material I understand this, but is there some tracing of these primary colors back to intelligent infinity more profound than what you have given us?
Ra: I am Ra. We cannot say what may seem profound to an entity. The red, yellow, and blue rays are primary because they signify activity of a primary nature.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - Bring4th_Austin - 08-27-2012
I see. That does make my misunderstanding seem silly...perhaps I'll wait for zenmaster to reply regarding his post.
(08-22-2012, 12:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra says yellow ray may begin potentiation only once green ray has been activated, which is basically the same thing the earth is attempting to do.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - zenmaster - 08-27-2012
(08-27-2012, 03:50 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I see. That does make my misunderstanding seem silly...perhaps I'll wait for zenmaster to reply regarding his post.
(08-22-2012, 12:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra says yellow ray may begin potentiation only once green ray has been activated, which is basically the same thing the earth is attempting to do.
I did misread the primary qualifier. It would be blue.
Still yellow ray on sphere and in entity both are unused as green ray becomes sufficiently unimpeded.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - Cyan - 08-27-2012
What?
Yellow ray may BEGIN potentiation only once the green ray has been activated.
Does that then mean that societal navigation/interaction only begins in earnest once the heart is balanced enough to have a singular grasp of what it wants?
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - βαθμιαίος - 08-27-2012
(08-27-2012, 03:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Still yellow ray on sphere and in entity both are unused as green ray becomes sufficiently unimpeded.
Not necessarily. We still have to deal in and with society. Consider Schweitzer ("This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well.") and Carla ("In a particular entity, let us use this instrument, the rays may be viewed as extremely even, red, orange, yellow. The green ray is extremely bright. This is, shall we say, balanced by a dimmer indigo. Between these two the point of balance resides, the blue ray of the communicator sparkling in strength above the ordinary.").
(08-27-2012, 03:59 PM)Cyan Wrote: What?
Yellow ray may BEGIN potentiation only once the green ray has been activated.
Does that then mean that societal navigation/interaction only begins in earnest once the heart is balanced enough to have a singular grasp of what it wants?
It's blue ray that may begin potentiation once green ray is activated.
RE: Yellow ray in a STO individual - zenmaster - 08-27-2012
Understood about now, but I meant in an evolutionary context. Perhaps genetic changes are requirement for potentiation of yellow in the individual (where green becomes central).