Ra Wrote:17.38 Questioner: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.

Quote:47.8 Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have listed here the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects etc. of each of these and any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?

(03-22-2012, 03:55 PM)plenum Wrote: I think this is possibly related to the 7 bodies that Don asks about here:... ... ...

(03-22-2012, 04:40 PM)Ankh Wrote: Or that they meant that as you activate different planes of your own mind/body/spirit complex, you will meet other-selves who are on those levels?

(03-22-2012, 04:50 PM)plenum Wrote: so people who are activated at green ray will be experiencing a different reality from others, because their 'green ray bodies' are interfacing, and sending back data/information into their green ray chakras, and reality 'feels' different for them, because it is different!!

(03-22-2012, 05:08 PM)Ankh Wrote: I was thinking that those who would activate green ray bodies for instance, would suddenly be able to perceive other selves who also have activated green ray bodies, but which was not perceived or seen by them before. Is that what you are saying too? What do you think?

(03-22-2012, 03:40 PM)Ankh Wrote: How do you interpret the above quote? And more importantly - do you have any experiences to share in this regard?

Quote:Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

(03-23-2012, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-22-2012, 03:40 PM)Ankh Wrote: How do you interpret the above quote? And more importantly - do you have any experiences to share in this regard?

I'm curious why do you think this is different than the subdensities?

Quote:Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

(03-23-2012, 06:23 AM)Ankh Wrote: I think that there *might* be different vibrational levels consisting the mind/body/spirit complexes vibrating on those levels, which might be called sub-planes, within each sub-density. That is how I interpreted the quote of those seven sub-planes, but I might be wrong.

(03-23-2012, 08:46 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra was talking about what's within the local (space/time) vibration of 3rd density (yellow-ray). A 3D sub-plane vibration, has a 'center of gravity' on what has been actualized by the developing mind and spirit. The last subdensity tends to be associated with values of the so-called 'second-tier' vMeme. And work keeps going past 3D in space/time here ('You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions').

The granularity of sub-planes within sub-planes is probably way too fine to identify distinctions of behavior, although in spiral dynamics, there are 'exiting' and 'entering' attitudes (as one recognizes the new 'way of being'). The 'sub-sub-planes' are transitional and sort of smoothly overlap between the subdensities/sub-planes.

After death, 'harvest' allows for a new physical/mental vehicle congruent with level of distortion (purity), if one's violet ray (which basically amounts to the totality of incarnations up to that point) exceeds the prior life's vibrational limit.

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: Something that you perhaps can become aware of?

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: But I agree with you in your thought that perhaps these sub-planes are too fine to identify.

(03-23-2012, 08:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: Something that you perhaps can become aware of?

You can become aware of it in the same way you can become aware of any archetypal influence.

zenmaster Wrote:

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: But I agree with you in your thought that perhaps these sub-planes are too fine to identify.

The sub-sub-planes are probably too fine to identify. The sub-planes have already been identified through groups of values.

(03-24-2012, 03:39 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-23-2012, 08:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: Something that you perhaps can become aware of?

You can become aware of it in the same way you can become aware of any archetypal influence.

What would that be like in your understanding?

(03-24-2012, 03:39 AM)Ankh Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:

(03-23-2012, 02:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: But I agree with you in your thought that perhaps these sub-planes are too fine to identify.

The sub-sub-planes are probably too fine to identify. The sub-planes have already been identified through groups of values.

What are these groups of values? Can you give an example?