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7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Plenum - 01-06-2012
the following passage has me tied up in knots. I can read it as saying:
a) you have 7 bodies in 3rd density (and each other density)
or
b) you have 1 body in third density, but your bodies from 'other' densities can be activated and thus overlap
the main quote is below, and followup questions (which confuse the issue) begin here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=47&ss=1#9
I am leaning towards the first interpretation, as this repeats the number 7 in our density (along with 7 chakras).
I was interpreting it as version b for a while, but this doesn't make much sense as Ra says that 'normal' people only have their 3rd Density bodies activated (and Crystal Children their 4th as well).
47.8 Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have listed here the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects etc. of each of these and any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?
Ra: I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies and each body’s effects in various situations is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave.
We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc. However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name.
The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.
The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.
The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.
The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.
The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.
The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.
The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.
Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life being-ness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex
Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - BrownEye - 01-06-2012
I see seven bodies with one activated. My personal understanding is that an evolution point will activate another body, which means you are ready for that next stage.
We also have seven intellect bodies.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Peregrinus - 01-07-2012
As per the title, my understanding is that there is one "body" per density. I have a hard time with the understanding of activation/potentiation, since time is only an illusion created for third density work.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - native - 01-07-2012
"However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve."
It seems that here in third density, we always exist in and work from the yellow body..unless a person is 3d/4d. Going along with what Pickle said, as your centers open up, you communicate with that particular type of consciousness/body.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Unbound - 01-08-2012
Reasonably you have ONE body which spans an infinite spectrum.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Peregrinus - 01-12-2012
Both the bipedal ape and cetacean mind/body are second density vehicle.
Within the DNA must therefore be where activation occurs, resulting in a level of conscious perceived by the mind. It would make little sense to discontinue use of the vehicle if it could be used for further experience.
This then begs the question as to whether the mind/body is activated in only third density, or does the third density activated consciousness reside in the second density activated vehicle on a first density activated planet?
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - JustLikeYou - 02-20-2012
Ra names the Green Ray body the "astral body" following traditional teachings. Therefore, one may conclude that this body exists in the astral plane. Now let us consider what Ra says about the planes of existence:
17.38 Questioner: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.
The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.
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We can thus conclude that there are seven bodies within 3D which populate the seven sub-densities. It also seems reasonable to hypothesize that a person who has activated a body above yellow-ray is not experiencing life as an incarnate physical entity.
To add a little further spice, it is my understanding, based upon my own interpolation, that each density uses as its physical illusion all sub-densities up to and and including the current true color density. In other words, in 1D the physical illusion is only the red ray body. In 2D the physical illusion is the red and orange ray bodies. And so on. This would explain how it is that in 4D telepathy is a fact of nature: what is currently hidden from us in the astral plane becomes clearly visible in the next density.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - 3DMonkey - 02-21-2012
I choose A.
What we typically call a body is the yellow ray body. All other bodies are conceptual to the third density. The descriptions of green ray body and beyond are "far out" because they are within a third density perspective- everything is, really, as it is what the other densities revolve around.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zenmaster - 02-21-2012
(02-20-2012, 11:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.AKA "Spiral Dynamics"
(02-20-2012, 11:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: We can thus conclude that there are seven bodies within 3D which populate the seven sub-densities. It also seems reasonable to hypothesize that a person who has activated a body above yellow-ray is not experiencing life as an incarnate physical entity.Except for the "dual-activated" type it would seem.
(02-20-2012, 11:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: To add a little further spice, it is my understanding, based upon my own interpolation, that each density uses as its physical illusion all sub-densities up to and and including the current true color density. In other words, in 1D the physical illusion is only the red ray body. In 2D the physical illusion is the red and orange ray bodies. And so on.Our definition of "physical" stops at the red-ray chemical body. The red-ray "inner-plane" is "time/space" (quantum non-locality).
At "orange-ray" biological levels, we have no clue of the dynamics involved, nor can we currently measure this vibration except where it is met with our own.
(02-20-2012, 11:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: This would explain how it is that in 4D telepathy is a fact of nature: what is currently hidden from us in the astral plane becomes clearly visible in the next density.The 3rd density "astral" plane is the green-ray inner plane. It really has nothing, directly, to do with 4th density, which has its own, distinct, "green-ray" inner plane.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Oceania - 02-21-2012
is yellow body the space time body?
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - JustLikeYou - 02-21-2012
Oceania, I believe your statement is correct (for 3rd density).
zenmaster, I grasp that you are referring to the popular scientific concept of physicality which makes no space for subtle energies such as chi.
According to Ra, "The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it."
I think that the importance of identifying the yellow ray body with the physical illusion is the same as the importance of the distinction between "inner" and "outer" planes. It may well be that our astral plane is has no direct relationship to the fourth density, but this is not exactly what I meant to imply. Rather, what I meant to suggest is that in each density, some planes are inner and some planes are outer. My best guess is that this border is the color plane which corresponds to the color of the density. So the green ray plane in 4th density would be the highest manifestation of the physical illusion and the nearest inner plane in 4th density would be the blue ray plane.
All this said, I still find myself wondering: Ra says that early 4th density beings cannot populate Earth because they would not yet know how to hide themselves from 3rd density beings (us). This leads me to wonder just how distinct our inner and outer planes really are from other densities.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Oceania - 02-21-2012
distinct?
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zenmaster - 02-21-2012
(02-21-2012, 08:51 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: zenmaster, I grasp that you are referring to the popular scientific concept of physicality which makes no space for subtle energies such as chi.Well yes, generally, subtle energies are not measurable without a certain level of awareness. Lacking a scientific approach, there are many disparate, conflicting, systems which attempt to classify and explain such energies.
(02-21-2012, 08:51 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: According to Ra, "The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it."The yellow-ray body is simply what we interact with here. Its configuration enables or facilitates self-awareness due to its connectivity with higher-mind.
I think that the importance of identifying the yellow ray body with the physical illusion is the same as the importance of the distinction between "inner" and "outer" planes.
(02-21-2012, 08:51 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: It may well be that our astral plane is has no direct relationship to the fourth density, but this is not exactly what I meant to imply. Rather, what I meant to suggest is that in each density, some planes are inner and some planes are outer.OK, as far as I can tell, the 'inner planes' are time/space or metaphysical.
(02-21-2012, 08:51 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: My best guess is that this border is the color plane which corresponds to the color of the density. So the green ray plane in 4th density would be the highest manifestation of the physical illusion and the nearest inner plane in 4th density would be the blue ray plane.The 3D 'green-ray' plane is a time/space domain. time/space, being the reciprocal of space/time, is a totality 'at once'. That totality holds a potential for consciousness. Such a consciousness has subsumed the typical 3D-yellow-ray 'ego' consciousness which is used to process most of the catalyst here. It's where you merely begin to be able to work with your emotions (i.e. for balancing).
A great deal of the confusion of the 'next-step' in evolution has to do with individuals here reaching the point where work of this type may begin and thinking this is the same as 3D transcendence. It's not. It's merely the beginning of average societal (conventional) transcendence. We, as a 3D society, could continue well beyond 'green-ray' (inner) work (which necessarily involves acceptance, hence the confusion with 4th density). If we reach 'blue-ray' (inner) work, we could potentially form a 3D SMC.
The only intersection we have in 3D with 4D is via the 'spirit' (our particular connection to it). Through the spirit there is a harmonic of green-ray plane with 4th density as a whole (hence the vague, intuitive descriptions and ambiguous apprehensions). But that awareness can't even be called a shadow of 4th density, which itself is a discrete level (plane) of existence.
(02-21-2012, 08:51 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: All this said, I still find myself wondering: Ra says that early 4th density beings cannot populate Earth because they would not yet know how to hide themselves from 3rd density beings (us). This leads me to wonder just how distinct our inner and outer planes really are from other densities.They are distinct. What Ra is saying is that the entity's awareness determines the overlap. The progression of consciousness still continues (albeit in a new body), and manifestation of this consciousness is more under direct control of 4D entity. In other words, the 4D entity has a (latent) ability to not manifest that aspect of themselves once they integrate it. While their 'center of gravity' is still in 4D, they are still 'ascending' with overlap from what had supported prior 3D consciousness.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Diana - 02-21-2012
(01-08-2012, 05:10 AM)Azrael Wrote: Reasonably you have ONE body which spans an infinite spectrum.
Thought experiment: As you can refract seemingly white light with a prism, and separate the frequencies to the full spectrum of colors, if you had a similar device which would work on our bodies, you could refract the body and it would separate into the seven aspects which possibly vibrate at different frequencies but work together as a whole.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Shin'Ar - 02-21-2012
What is being spoken of here is the All in its many aspects.
The All is One Consciousness experiencing itself.
Balance and direction is the key to understanding the All and becoming One with it. Using and applying knowledge of the various aspects of our design can be beneficial to those who understand it and confusion to those who have not yet come to that understanding.
This is why the ancients established the right hand path and the Mysteries. there is muc to grasp and that cannot be grasped beyond certain ability and evolution.
All of this is a process that should be governed by higher being or it becomes simply lost to lower being. There is a time and place for everything.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - JustLikeYou - 02-21-2012
zenmaster, are you saying, then, that the time/space version of myself consists of the green, blue and indigo ray bodies as a totality just as the space/time version of myself consists of the red, orange and yellow? And if you are saying this, then are you drawing one-to-one reciprocal relationships between specific color rays?
This thread addresses the core of an issue I've been attempting to work out for myself: is it a coincidence that in the yellow ray density, the outer reality (the physical illusion) includes only the bodies from red through yellow?
And a further question: Is there a relationship of identity between, say, the spirit and a particular group of color bodies? I ask because Ra frequently describes the spirit as a "shuttle", which is a distinctly corporeal term, for a shuttle is a kind of vessel. I am generally inclined toward Diana's perspective that there is one body which splits into many as the light through the prism. This concept would eliminate identification of certain color bodies with either the mind or the spirit. Yet, on the flip-side of this coin, Ra refers to the "spirit/minds" which are active within the inner planes. This statement, taken in tandem with Ra's comment that the indigo ray body is activated immediately upon ending the incarnation, suggests to me that there genuinely is just such an identity between the mind and certain color bodies and the spirit and certain color bodies. Clarity on this question from anyone is very welcome.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zenmaster - 02-21-2012
(02-21-2012, 08:10 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: zenmaster, are you saying, then, that the time/space version of myself consists of the green, blue and indigo ray bodies as a totality just as the space/time version of myself consists of the red, orange and yellow? And if you are saying this, then are you drawing one-to-one reciprocal relationships between specific color rays?By 'reciprocal' I meant in the sense of space/time vs time/space. The 'time/space version of yourself', presently, is basically your 3D 'mind'.
(02-21-2012, 08:10 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: This thread addresses the core of an issue I've been attempting to work out for myself: is it a coincidence that in the yellow ray density, the outer reality (the physical illusion) includes only the bodies from red through yellow?3rd density space/time supports bodies from red to yellow.
(02-21-2012, 08:10 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: And a further question: Is there a relationship of identity between, say, the spirit and a particular group of color bodies?The 'spirit complex', up until the point of your actualized higher self, is your native vibration - what you are working on balancing (determined by violet ray). That is what allows graduation from density to density. The space/time body (and mind) will be same vibration of spirit complex unless the entity is a wanderer.
(02-21-2012, 08:10 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: I ask because Ra frequently describes the spirit as a "shuttle", which is a distinctly corporeal term, for a shuttle is a kind of vessel.'shuttle' in the sense of conduit of info/awareness. The effectiveness of this shuttle generally depends on the mind/body distortion and balance.
(02-21-2012, 08:10 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: I am generally inclined toward Diana's perspective that there is one body which splits into many as the light through the prism. This concept would eliminate identification of certain color bodies with either the mind or the spirit. Yet, on the flip-side of this coin, Ra refers to the "spirit/minds" which are active within the inner planes. This statement, taken in tandem with Ra's comment that the indigo ray body is activated immediately upon ending the incarnation, suggests to me that there genuinely is just such an identity between the mind and certain color bodies and the spirit and certain color bodies. Clarity on this question from anyone is very welcome.The indigo body is activated automatically - unconsciously for one that had no prior experience.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Joseph326 - 02-22-2012
If we separate love/light into individual wavelengths of color, we may appreciate each of these qualities either in comparison to or in combination with the others. It is true that each layer of the totality is present within the moment of existence, and the layers may be viewed individually or in any combination. What contains the perceived color? The object itself, or the light that is reflected upon it? Is the light itself a manifestation of the observer? One can only truly see what is brought forth from within.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - JustLikeYou - 02-22-2012
zenmaster Wrote:By 'reciprocal' I meant in the sense of space/time vs time/space. The 'time/space version of yourself', presently, is basically your 3D 'mind'...3rd density space/time supports bodies from red to yellow.
So the mind which is currently generating the space/time reality I experience (I assume this is what you mean by my 3D mind) is the time/space counterpart of my physical body. This mind has time/space bodies in all color rays, but has no physical counterpart in 3d for these time/space components which are green ray and above. Is that what you are saying?
Also, since you seem to identify time/space as the home of this mind, how do you harmonize these two quotations within your interpretation:
79.19 "The energies and movements of the spirit are, by far, the most profound yet, having more close association with time/space, do not have the characteristics of dynamic motion."
103.11 "The use of the tau and the architect’s square is indeed intended to suggest the proximity of the space/time of the Great Way [of the Mind]’s environment to time/space. We find this observation most perceptive... The Great Way of the Mind, the Body, or the Spirit draws the environment which has been the new architecture caused by the veiling process and, thusly, dipped in the great, limitless current of time/space."
In the first quotation, the spirit is said to be closely associated with time/space. In the first part of the second quotation, the evolutionary environment of the mind (the Great Way) is said to bring space/time and time/space into close proximity. The second part of the second quotation goes on to say that all evolutionary environments are "dipped" in time/space through the veiling process. These quotations have left me a little bewildered about the very nature of time/space.
zenmaster Wrote:The 'spirit complex', up until the point of your actualized higher self, is your native vibration - what you are working on balancing (determined by violet ray). That is what allows graduation from density to density... [It is a] 'shuttle' in the sense of conduit of info/awareness. The effectiveness of this shuttle generally depends on the mind/body distortion and balance.
So would you say that the spirit is the central sub-Logos of each M/B/S complex in the sense that it is a manifestation of Intelligent Infinity which then funnels that Intelligent Infinity into creative modes for the purposes of returning experience? Or, to put it another way, that the spirit is a unique focused point of Intelligent Infinity which connects the more distorted part of itself, the mind/body, to the One?
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zenmaster - 02-22-2012
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote:It's the time/space counterpart of your local 3D body, yes.zenmaster Wrote:By 'reciprocal' I meant in the sense of space/time vs time/space. The 'time/space version of yourself', presently, is basically your 3D 'mind'...3rd density space/time supports bodies from red to yellow.
So the mind which is currently generating the space/time reality I experience (I assume this is what you mean by my 3D mind) is the time/space counterpart of my physical body.
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: This mind has time/space bodies in all color rays, but has no physical counterpart in 3d for these time/space components which are green ray and above. Is that what you are saying?The 3D time/space mind has a 3D space/time body.
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: Also, since you seem to identify time/space as the home of this mind, how do you harmonize these two quotations within your interpretation:Spirit is 'actualized' through the balancing done by the mind. time/space is not a location.
79.19 "The energies and movements of the spirit are, by far, the most profound yet, having more close association with time/space, do not have the characteristics of dynamic motion."
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: 103.11 "The use of the tau and the architect’s square is indeed intended to suggest the proximity of the space/time of the Great Way [of the Mind]’s environment to time/space. We find this observation most perceptive... The Great Way of the Mind, the Body, or the Spirit draws the environment which has been the new architecture caused by the veiling process and, thusly, dipped in the great, limitless current of time/space."The more balanced an entity is in an incarnation, the more access to time/space. That is the focus of mind moves tends to move towards a time/space and space/time balance as the entity evolves. 'non-duality' is an awareness of time/space = space/time. That is the 'proximity' Ra is talking about.
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: In the first quotation, the spirit is said to be closely associated with time/space. In the first part of the second quotation, the evolutionary environment of the mind (the Great Way) is said to bring space/time and time/space into close proximity. The second part of the second quotation goes on to say that all evolutionary environments are "dipped" in time/space through the veiling process. These quotations have left me a little bewildered about the very nature of time/space.time/space is always 'nonlocal' and intangible.
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote:To me spirit and intelligent infinity are basically the same thing - principles of infinity. But we can place finitude on the spirit and make it complex, hence the returning experience.zenmaster Wrote:The 'spirit complex', up until the point of your actualized higher self, is your native vibration - what you are working on balancing (determined by violet ray). That is what allows graduation from density to density... [It is a] 'shuttle' in the sense of conduit of info/awareness. The effectiveness of this shuttle generally depends on the mind/body distortion and balance.
So would you say that the spirit is the central sub-Logos of each M/B/S complex in the sense that it is a manifestation of Intelligent Infinity which then funnels that Intelligent Infinity into creative modes for the purposes of returning experience?
(02-22-2012, 06:33 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: Or, to put it another way, that the spirit is a unique focused point of Intelligent Infinity which connects the more distorted part of itself, the mind/body, to the One?The mind/body complex is Carla's 'personality shell'. Generally, it is programmed (by higher self) with biases to help removal of spirit-complex distortions. The spirit complex is the connection to the one. The less distorted it may become, the more it can appreciate that condition.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - JustLikeYou - 02-22-2012
So then would the other color bodies (green and above) properly rest within the spirit complex? For example, if I were to do some astral traveling, am I really just using the shuttle of the spirit to contact intelligent infinity in a particular way?
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zenmaster - 02-22-2012
(02-22-2012, 10:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: So then would the other color bodies (green and above) properly rest within the spirit complex?All of the bodies are potentiated in the spirit.
(02-22-2012, 10:18 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: For example, if I were to do some astral traveling, am I really just using the shuttle of the spirit to contact intelligent infinity in a particular way?
The astral body is the 3D 'inner-plane', time/space, green-ray body. Intelligent infinity isn't necessarily being contacted during astral travel (or OBE).
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - irpsit - 02-25-2012
I can be aware of 3 bodies and even more, on this life.
Yellow ray 3D body is our mind awareness of our body.
The orange is our animal body, if we for instance get totally drunk your orange body will command most of your behaviors, with the 3D body stepping back. You will be an animal for a short while. This can also express often in sexual acts, when they are more physical than "felt".
1d body, is our material body which is not animated with life, so its always a part of us, but does not follow its course when alive, because 2d life energy animates the body and keeps it alive, and when it dies the 1d body desintegrates and transforms into other forms, in a few weeks. So, while 2d changes 1 d body, the 3d (human awareness) changes our animal 2d body and way of living, and so does 4d changes our human 3d way of living, which we might be beginning to experience.
4d reaches out, and we might feel more connected, intuition, and we might the others, and we might feel the collective consciousness, this is the kind of early signs of 4d conscioueness. But I agree that its body is still fleeting; 4D has not been fully activated in most of us yet.
(01-06-2012, 01:09 AM)plenum Wrote: the following passage has me tied up in knots. I can read it as saying:
a) you have 7 bodies in 3rd density (and each other density)
or
b) you have 1 body in third density, but your bodies from 'other' densities can be activated and thus overlap
the main quote is below, and followup questions (which confuse the issue) begin here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=47&ss=1#9
I am leaning towards the first interpretation, as this repeats the number 7 in our density (along with 7 chakras).
I was interpreting it as version b for a while, but this doesn't make much sense as Ra says that 'normal' people only have their 3rd Density bodies activated (and Crystal Children their 4th as well).
47.8 Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have listed here the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects etc. of each of these and any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?
Ra: I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies and each body’s effects in various situations is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave.
We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc. However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name.
The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.
The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.
The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.
The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.
The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.
The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.
The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.
Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life being-ness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex
Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - zodekai - 02-27-2012
This page may be helpful.
An Introduction to the Seven Planes
http://www.esotericscience.org/article10a.htm
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Plenum - 01-07-2013
there was some supporting info in session 17 on the astral and devachanic planes:
17.36 Questioner: I’ve heard that there are seven astral and seven devachanic primary levels. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You speak of some of the more large distinctions in levels in your inner planes. That is correct.
17.37 Questioner: Well, who inhabit the astral and who inhabit the devachanic planes?
Ra: I am Ra. Entities inhabit the various planes due to their vibrational nature. The astral plane varies from thought-forms in the lower extremities to enlightened beings who become dedicated to teach/learning in the higher astral planes.
In the devachanic planes, as you call them, are those whose vibrations are even more close to the primal distortions of love/light.
Beyond these planes there are others.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - anagogy - 01-07-2013
(01-06-2012, 01:09 AM)plenum Wrote: the following passage has me tied up in knots. I can read it as saying:
a) you have 7 bodies in 3rd density (and each other density)
or
b) you have 1 body in third density, but your bodies from 'other' densities can be activated and thus overlap
the main quote is below, and followup questions (which confuse the issue) begin here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=47&ss=1#9
I am leaning towards the first interpretation, as this repeats the number 7 in our density (along with 7 chakras).
I was interpreting it as version b for a while, but this doesn't make much sense as Ra says that 'normal' people only have their 3rd Density bodies activated (and Crystal Children their 4th as well).
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I realize this is from a while back, but I just thought I would offer my slant on the question.
My opinion: you have seven bodies -- one in each density. You always have seven bodies in the time/space densities. These are the bodies in "potentiation". However the number of space/time bodies that you have "activated" at this particular experiential nexus is variable.
The time/space "bodies" are the inner thought-form constructs or manifestations associated with the consciousness of any particular given density. The space/time bodies are the tangible crystallized expression of that energy pattern. The thought-form construct-body in time/space potentiation is used as a template to create the space/time materialization.
A lot of people don't actually understand what thought forms are. Ra gives a general explanation though in this section:
Quote:76.3 Questioner: Of the three things that you mentioned that we could do for the instrument’s benefit, would you clarify the last one? I didn’t quite understand what you meant.
Ra: I am Ra. As the entity which you are allows its being to empathize with another being, so then it may choose to share with the other-self those energies which may be salubrious to the other-self. The mechanism of these energy transfers is the thought or, more precisely, the thought-form for any thought is a form or symbol or thing that is an object seen in time/space reference.
So you see, the "thought" itself, the non-physical time/space component, is intangible consciousness of a certain vibrational quality, whereas the "thought-form" is the symbol or translation of that thought in tangible terms.
Time/space is basically the intangible mental component, and space/time the tangible physical component. Even when you are out of your physical body, and you "see" things that appear like tangible objects in the "astral plane" (which actually encompasses about 3 time/space densities by the way), you are actually just seeing your minds translation of intangible thoughts.
This is why, for example, when you "astral project" you will find things are not completely as they are in the "physical world". Many people use this as evidence to dismiss the reality of such travel, but everybody translates these "consciousness streams" differently, so there will almost always be nuances in translation. The mind "dresses" the intangible consciousness streams in the available ward-robe of three dimensional imagery it has acquired during its sojourns in the physical world, with its physical sensory apparatus.
Isn't that interesting?
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(01-07-2013, 01:07 AM)plenum Wrote: there was some supporting info in session 17 on the astral and devachanic planes:
17.36 Questioner: I’ve heard that there are seven astral and seven devachanic primary levels. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You speak of some of the more large distinctions in levels in your inner planes. That is correct.
17.37 Questioner: Well, who inhabit the astral and who inhabit the devachanic planes?
Ra: I am Ra. Entities inhabit the various planes due to their vibrational nature. The astral plane varies from thought-forms in the lower extremities to enlightened beings who become dedicated to teach/learning in the higher astral planes.
In the devachanic planes, as you call them, are those whose vibrations are even more close to the primal distortions of love/light.
Beyond these planes there are others.
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My opinion and understanding is that:
The lower astral plane is comprised of 2nd density in time/space, with seven general vibrational levels. The middle astral plane is 3rd density in time/space, with seven vibrational levels. The higher astral plane is the 4th density in time/space, with seven vibrational levels. The devachanic plane is the 5th density in time/space, and is equivalent to what occultists would call the "mental plane". The sixth density is the "causal plane" in time/space. All having seven within seven within seven, ad infinitum.
But really, you can call them whatever you like. Names aren't that important.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Oldern - 01-07-2013
I would say that we have infinite bodies as we have infinite viewpoints. And we constantly shift from one to another a multitude of times every "second".
In Law of One terms, that would mean that everyone has multiple bodies, but only the current is in potentiation. The other ones dwell in the shadow, the unmanifested. Or other aspects, paralell-Selves use them.
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Siren - 01-07-2013
It should be helpful to comprehend the following:
Quote:The universe in which you live is recapitulation in each part of intelligent infinity. Thus you will see the same patterns repeated in physical and metaphysical areas; the rays or apportions of light being, as you surmise, those areas of what you may call the physical illusion which rotate, vibrate, or are of a nature that may be, shall we say, counted or categorized in rotation manner in space/time as described by the one known as Dewey[...]
Quote:Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.
Quote:Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.
Quote:We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc.
The mind/body/spirit complex is the microcosm within the macrocosm that is the Creator/Creation. Each density has a space/time physical analog to time/space. Both in space/time and time/space has seven sub-densities; therefore, different "levels" of physical vehicles may be found within 3rd-density space/time alone (if you look around, you might just notice it). Also bear in mind that 3rd-density does not strictly refer to this planetary sphere alone. Other 3rd-density entities evolve from other 2nd-density lifeforms in the case of other planetary experiences.
The so-called "astral realms" are not necessarily "higher densities" per se, but the inner, metaphysical, time/space regions of each density (It is possible for a highly disciplined 3rd-density seeker or adept to access/visit higher densities. This is done via time/space while the physical complex remains in 3rd-density space/time—hence the confusion of "higher dimensions" being interpreted as non-physical: because the experiences occurs in time/space, or the metaphysical inner planes).
RE: 7 bodies in each density, or just 1 body? - Plenum - 02-22-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLVMR_eSqg&t=53
in a remarkable piece of crossover wisdom, Stewie Griffin touches a rainbow in this clip, and consequently becomes "7 bodies"; (well 6 actually, but you get the idea : d).