Quote:I have not arrived at where I am now, I have just returned to where I am now, knowing it's the only way. What I am doing now is what I must do before I move on.

Quote:17.19 Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age.

(07-04-2011, 04:39 PM)Wander-Man Wrote: Was reading a book about Bob Dylan and came across this quote, referring to his success back in the 60's:

Quote:I have not arrived at where I am now, I have just returned to where I am now, knowing it's the only way. What I am doing now is what I must do before I move on.

It made me think of this quote of how Jesus remembered what he was supposed to do.

Quote:17.19 Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age.

1. What is that "natural kind of remembering" and how do I do it?
2. Do you think Bob Dylan remembered doing something like being a poet/musician in a past life, and did that memory help his success?
3. Do you remember doing something in a past/future life, and feel you can/should do it now?

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

Quote:Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.

Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.

When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of a worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in the last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

(07-04-2011, 07:46 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

girl! where you been at?

(07-04-2011, 07:53 PM)Oceania Wrote: i thought Bob Dylan killed someone. ok then.

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(07-04-2011, 07:46 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

girl! where you been at?

holla! i didn't know that happened to J-man, does it say so in the bibble? could his crucifiction have been from the guilt?

(07-04-2011, 04:41 PM)Oceania Wrote: i have Bobby's book where he says evil spirits are just ill souls...

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

(07-05-2011, 01:14 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

In the Gnostic scripture, yes.

(07-05-2011, 01:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(07-05-2011, 01:14 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(07-04-2011, 07:05 PM)Oceania Wrote: he killed someone?

In the Gnostic scripture, yes.

Do you know where I might find this?

Quote:Before the Beatles were known in America and before the folk-rock craze of 1965, Dylan had tried to show he was not a performer to pigeonhole. "I hate all the labels people have put on me . . . because they are labels. It's just that they are ugly, and I know, in my heart, that it's not me . . . I have not arrived at where I am now, I have just returned to where I am now, knowing it's the only way. What I am doing now is what I must do before I move on."

(07-04-2011, 07:53 PM)Oceania Wrote: holla! i didn't know that happened to J-man, does it say so in the bibble? could his crucifiction have been from the guilt?

(07-08-2011, 12:15 AM)hogey11 Wrote:

(07-04-2011, 07:53 PM)Oceania Wrote: holla! i didn't know that happened to J-man, does it say so in the bibble? could his crucifiction have been from the guilt?

According to Ra, Jesus' trip to the cross did have to do with karma, however, it was his forgiveness given on the cross to those that were killing him that absolved him from the karma accrued by the death of the young child in his early life. Thus, Jesus was able to resurrect in a 4D/5D body (ascended form) and come back to this sphere for a short period of time.

Quote:17.20 Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.

When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of a worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in the last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

(07-08-2011, 06:19 AM)Oceania Wrote: i think when Jesus died on the cross, he was able to forgive the others because he had forgiven or forgave himself. i'm usually more forgiving with others on things where i've done the same and have forgiven myself for it. it only makes sense to feel compassion for others making the same errors you have made and regretted.

(07-08-2011, 10:41 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: As for the resurrection thing, I've looked hard in the Ra material for a statement from Ra saying he returned to Earth in the sense of the resurrection. I do remember reading this in Q'uo, however. Honestly, when discerning the accuracy of a channel, you have to take a very close look at which beliefs they hold which will not be swayed, and which will distort a concept being filtered through their personality. Carla is obviously devout Christian, and very much believes in the resurrection of Jesus. She's very balanced other-wise, and distortions aren't always quite obvious, but this one would be a red flag. Not saying it absolutely didn't happen, but when someone who strictly believes in the resurrection of Jesus channels information about Jesus resurrecting, you can't take it as clearly channeled information.

Quote:I think this is also supported by his supposed "super abilities" that he apparently had post-'resurrection'. He appeared and looked different (wasn't recognized by many), passed through walls into rooms, conversed with spirits (moses/elijah) in broad daylight, had somehow healed yet kept the wounds from the crucifixion,the linens he was wrapped in his tomb with were still perfectly wrapped as if a body was in them when they found it; a 4D/5D being could likely do all such things by thought alone, while a 3D would probably have a hell of a time.

(07-10-2011, 05:41 AM)Wander-Man Wrote:

Quote:I think this is also supported by his supposed "super abilities" that he apparently had post-'resurrection'. He appeared and looked different (wasn't recognized by many), passed through walls into rooms, conversed with spirits (moses/elijah) in broad daylight, had somehow healed yet kept the wounds from the crucifixion,the linens he was wrapped in his tomb with were still perfectly wrapped as if a body was in them when they found it; a 4D/5D being could likely do all such things by thought alone, while a 3D would probably have a hell of a time.

Do you think he needed permission to do this? If so, why would they let him do all of this stuff?

(07-10-2011, 05:41 AM)Wander-Man Wrote:

Quote:I think this is also supported by his supposed "super abilities" that he apparently had post-'resurrection'. He appeared and looked different (wasn't recognized by many), passed through walls into rooms, conversed with spirits (moses/elijah) in broad daylight, had somehow healed yet kept the wounds from the crucifixion,the linens he was wrapped in his tomb with were still perfectly wrapped as if a body was in them when they found it; a 4D/5D being could likely do all such things by thought alone, while a 3D would probably have a hell of a time.

Do you think he needed permission to do this? If so, why would they let him do all of this stuff?

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest.

The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth-density. This is the meaning of the returning.

(07-10-2011, 09:19 PM)Oceania Wrote: why would they let him? the rules were different then. there was no quarantine right?

Quote:9.5 Questioner: Where did the people who are like us who were the first ones here, where did they come from? From where did they evolve?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak of third-density experience. The first of those to come here were brought from another planet in your solar system called by you the Red Planet, Mars. This planet’s environment became inhospitable to third-density beings. The first entities, therefore, were of this race, as you may call it, manipulated somewhat by those who were guardians at that time.

9.6 Questioner: What race is that, and how did they get from Mars to here?

Ra: I am Ra. The race is a combination of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those of your so-called Red Planet and a careful series of genetical adjustments made by the guardians of that time. These entities arrived, or were preserved, for the experience upon your sphere by a type of birthing which is non-reproductive, but consists of preparing genetic material for the incarnation of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those entities from the Red Planet.

9.7 Questioner: I assume from what you are saying that the guardians transferred the race here after the race had died from the physical as we know it on Mars. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

9.8 Questioner: The guardians were obviously acting within an understanding of the Law of One in doing this. Can you explain the application of the Law of One in this process?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One was named by these guardians as the bringing of the wisdom of the guardians in contact with the entities from the Red Planet, thus melding the social memory complex of the guardian race and the Red Planet race. It, however, took an increasing amount of distortion into the application of the Law of One from the viewpoint of other guardians and it is from this beginning action that the quarantine of this planet was instituted, for it was felt that the free will of those of the Red Planet had been abridged.

9.9 Questioner: Were the entities of the Red Planet following the Law of One prior to leaving the Red Planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The entities of the Red Planet were attempting to learn the Laws of Love which form one of the primal distortions of the Law of One. However, the tendencies of these people towards bellicose actions caused such difficulties in the atmospheric environment of their planet that it became inhospitable for third-density experience before the end of its cycle. Thus, the Red Planet entities were unharvested and continued in your illusion to attempt to learn the Law of Love.

9.10 Questioner: How long ago did this transfer occur from the Red Planet to Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. In your time this transfer occurred approximately 75,000 years ago.

9.11 Questioner: 75,000 years ago?

Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct.