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10 Commandments Question. - Micknet - 05-18-2011
Questioner: Can you tell me the origin of the Ten Commandments?
Ra: I am Ra. The origin of these commandments follows the law of negative
entities impressing information upon positively oriented mind/body/spirit
complexes. The information attempted to copy or ape positivity while
retaining negative characteristics.
Questioner: Was this done by the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
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What is negative about the Ten Commandments?
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Crown - 05-18-2011
I believe this has been discussed before. Personally, i am not sure how to answer this. Maybe if the ten commandments were more positive, it would not include the "Do not" part.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Bring4th_Austin - 05-18-2011
This is my personal opinion and how I view somethings as negative.
For one, many of them start with "You shall not." This turns any sort of positive information automatically negative. Instead, a positive energy would be to say "do this," not "don't do this."
Now let's dissect some individual commandments...
Do not have any other gods before me." - The negativity in this is obvious to me...no matter your definition of "God" or "gods," this is demanding exclusion, setting limitations. That is negative.
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments." - Again, extreme exclusion. There's no question for me how "I am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me" is negative. Jealousy is a negative emotion. Punishment is a negative concept. Punishment of children who had nothing to do with their parents' "iniquity" is nothing more than a scare tactic, extremely negative.
"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name." - God is supposedly excluding those who choose to use a word in a certain way, which would not be unconditionally loving nor honoring free will. Negative.
"You shall not commit adultery." - This is assuming itself that adultery is inherently negative (it may or may not be, circumstantially), and again not honoring free will.
"You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor." - Doesn't it strike you as ironic that God claims to be jealous in a previous commandment, and then goes on to tell you that you may not feel the same way? Not allowing one to feel their own emotions however they please is infringement on free will.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - native - 05-18-2011
Good points abridge.
1 - This limits your exploration into the various connections one may feel to everything around them. It attempts to create separation between you and your direct connection with the Creation.
2 - It furthers #1, stating clearly that you should not pursue other avenues of thought. Separation and blockage.
3 - Again, a limit placed on expression or thought. It was probably created in conjunction with the idea that you should not question God and therefore, creates separation between you and understanding the creation as being a part of yourself.
4 - You could probably come up with various explanations for this one. It perhaps steers you away from viewing every thought/action as being sacred..that everything has value and meaning worth contemplating. It seems to prevent you from considering the true nature and value of your self and actions, and to just put your head down and move along without question.
5 - This is telling you to not question tradition. It again attempts to not allow you to think freely. It sets up the condition that the negative system self-perpetuates itself.
6, 8 - These set up conditions where if they do happen, punishment ensues rather than understanding. We have various thoughts and feelings, they should be accepted not blocked. While hopefully murder would not happen, lessons come from the experience and this is valuable. No lessons should ever be viewed as being invaluable.
7 - This is highly separative and blocks our most basic desires. The concept of adultery feeds the preconception that love should not be freely given, as Ra would put it, and that ownership is right and just, more separation. A more harmonious 3d experience would allow the exploration of sexual thoughts. If you can block our root energy in different ways, you can control people immensely and it further complicates every other energy center.
9 - As I understand it this commandment says you should not lie. It attempts to create blockage by not allowing you to own and explore your thoughts/feelings, instead to fess up and that what you feel you should explore is wrong. Blockage and separation.
10 - A big one involving separation. It seems that it attempts to prevent questioning the nature of equality, and that individual achievement is to be praised.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - 3DMonkey - 05-18-2011
Control!
One word.
It's a system that nobody wins and everyone is subject to an elite hierarchy.
That's not even mentioning that if the truth is there is no wrong or right, and they are convincing others that there are absolute Wrongs, it's a straight up lie/deception.
They never said "you are the Creator. You are eternal". Instead they say "you will never be free. You will always fail. "
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Spectrum - 05-18-2011
abridgetoofar Wrote:"You shall not commit adultery." - This is assuming itself that adultery is inherently negative (it may or may not be, circumstantially), and again not honoring free will.
Speaking of which, I was wondering a while back when and where the whole marriage thing started on our planet - obviously long before the ten commandments even. Marriage has never made sense to me. Majority of time it's results in a sense of ownership for one or both involved.
Book II, Session 31, February 25, 1981 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. The racial memory contains all that has been experienced.
Thus there is some, shall we say, contamination even of the sexual, this
showing mostly in your own culture as the various predispositions to
adversary relationships, or, as you call them, marriages, rather than the free
giving one to another in the love and the light of the infinite Creator.
Book III, Session 60, July 1, 1981 Wrote:Ra: We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density
planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered
about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the
appropriate relationships between self and other-self.
We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the
unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive
to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions
we found occurring among your peoples.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - 3DMonkey - 05-18-2011
We all commit adultery.
To say "You shall not commit adultery" is a negative distortion of the positive idea to stay true to Self, which is One with the Creator.
We can see how many commanders of this single law violate it with true selfishness.
We can also see how many seekers attempt to uphold this idea by supporting the Others in their quest to seek the Self.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Peregrinus - 05-19-2011
Dissecting the trees will not give a clear view of the forest. The overall aspect of negativity is indeed as 3DMonkey said, in the use of words that were designed to control one's behavior, rather than allow each to use their own instinct (conscience, higher self) to advance according to the first distortion. The content is unimportant.
Acceptance is the key to the positive path; control is the key to the negative path.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - 3DMonkey - 05-19-2011
(05-18-2011, 12:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: We all commit adultery.
To say "You shall not commit adultery" is a negative distortion of the positive idea to stay true to Self, which is One with the Creator.
We can see how many commanders of this single law violate it with true selfishness.
We can also see how many seekers attempt to uphold this idea by supporting the Others in their quest to seek the Self.
My point here is that the poor STS guys actually believe what they are doing is for the best. Like a little child from Lord of the Flies, they are scared.
Each of us has within us the eyes to see what "that" leader is actually doing.
We can see when someone is putting down others to lift themselves up. Some will choose to stick with that leader because they are scared themselves and it is better to be on the popular side that be on the "put down" side.
We can also see when someone is honestly sacrificing themselves to simply lift our spirits and self worth, or anyone else's for that matter. It is so obvious, but some will not support the leaders of compassion because it's "too awkward and unpopular."
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we know within our heart what is really going on and we shouldn't be afraid to follow our heart.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Nyu - 05-22-2011
I believe marriage and the whole adultery thing came about when men were worried the sons they raise as heirs might not be biologically theirs. So it was put in place to control their women.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Bring4th_Austin - 05-22-2011
(05-19-2011, 12:35 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: Dissecting the trees will not give a clear view of the forest.
Unless the forest has only 10 trees, then I think dissecting those trees would give a very clear view of the nature of the forest.
Quote: The overall aspect of negativity is indeed as 3DMonkey said, in the use of words that were designed to control one's behavior, rather than allow each to use their own instinct (conscience, higher self) to advance according to the first distortion. The content is unimportant.
I would agree that there is inherent negativity within the language, but disagree with your opinion on the content. It is easily examined and provides clear examples of negative concepts beyond the use of language which I think are important to discuss within the 10 Commandments, such as the ideas of punishment, jealousy, and controlling emotions. These things are within the content, not the language.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Cyclops - 05-24-2011
Q'uo May 30, 1993
Quote:K: I understand you to say that there were two Yahwehs? The original who brought the entities from Mars to Earth and then a second entity using his vibration?
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. This is correct, with the second entity being of a negative orientation and utilizing the name of the first as a means of gaining control of the entities to whom the first Yahweh had spoken. Is there a further query, my brother?
K: The second Yahweh, then, gave the Laws of Moses to the people as well as the curses that attended them?
I am Q’uo, and this is correct, my brother. Is there a further query?
K: Ra said that the first Yahweh gave the Law of One in a very simple form to Moses. Is this the saying, “I am that I am,” or was this the Ten Commandments, or something else? What was this exactly that he was talking about?
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. The entity, Yahweh, from the Confederation of Planets in Service to the Infinite Creator, was one who spoke with those entities from the Mars influence in a manner that reflected the unity of all creation and the attempt to be of service to others through this speaking, and intermingling, shall we say, the attempt was formed or fashioned in a way or in a philosophy that attempted to weave all experience, desires and expenditures of energy as portions of one great tapestry of energy, love and unity. All communications were based upon this simple recognition of the unified nature of all creation. It was the foundation upon which the interrelationship was built. Is there a further query?
K: The Ten Commandments were given by the second, negative Yahweh? Is that correct?
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. This is basically correct, for these commandments were seen as the pillars upon which would rest the many laws that would protect and guide the chosen people in a manner that was in accordance with the desires of the Orion-based Yahweh. These commandments included previous concepts given by the first Yahweh contact and then there was added unto those concepts a turning or twisting toward the negative orientation so that the commandments were, shall we say, then restrictions upon entities more than inspiration to affirmative or positive action and imaging of concepts. Is there a further query, my brother?
K: In the Old Testament we have this record of Yahweh speaking. It is a strong personality. Can we take this strong personality to be the creation of later editors or writers, or is this a faithful reproduction of the negative Yahweh?
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. We find in most instances there is, as you have surmised, the faithful reproduction of words spoken and recorded carefully. However, as in all recording by human hand there is the possibility of coloration or distortion which has occurred in some instances. Is there a further query?
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - vbaba - 06-06-2011
(05-18-2011, 08:27 AM)Micknet Wrote: Questioner: Can you tell me the origin of the Ten Commandments?
Ra: I am Ra. The origin of these commandments follows the law of negative
entities impressing information upon positively oriented mind/body/spirit
complexes. The information attempted to copy or ape positivity while
retaining negative characteristics.
Questioner: Was this done by the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
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What is negative about the Ten Commandments?
What is Negative about the Ten Commandments? They are commandments! Universal Laws: The Law of One, The Law of Confusion, The Law of Attraction, etc. do not infringe upon the free will of entities but are a matter-of-fact, a cause and effect of the Creator Universe. Commandments of Orion use Fear to rob the freedom of choice from the Personality/Soul to choose the experiences It needs to evolve; through trials and errors, rewards and joys, with The Law of Karma Balancing. The intent of these commandments are Control - and if one does not follow the rules, instilled in the minds of men are blame, shame, guilt and regret. The Positive Polarity is compromised. Evolution is stifled.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - Radu - 06-06-2011
After reading the post and your replies, my friends, what came into my mind was the so-called "technique of forbidding" which effect is that one will normally crave to do what is forbidden. And I am sure everyone experienced at least once in their life the curiosity to do something which you are prohibited from. I am not sure, but I am trying to see how this technique could have been put into use while compiling the commandments - for better control, as mentioned previously, of the peoples, by knowing their choices, that is to go ahead and eventually violate the commandments? and so predict their behavior and the like...
I though it would be the start of my participation in this forum and so it's my first posting.
RE: 10 Commandments Question. - 3DMonkey - 06-06-2011
(06-06-2011, 10:30 AM)vbaba Wrote: What is Negative about the Ten Commandments? They are commandments! Universal Laws: The Law of One, The Law of Confusion, The Law of Attraction, etc. do not infringe upon the free will of entities but are a matter-of-fact, a cause and effect of the Creator Universe. Commandments of Orion use Fear to rob the freedom of choice from the Personality/Soul to choose the experiences It needs to evolve; through trials and errors, rewards and joys, with The Law of Karma Balancing. The intent of these commandments are Control - and if one does not follow the rules, instilled in the minds of men are blame, shame, guilt and regret. The Positive Polarity is compromised. Evolution is stifled.
Yes. What finishes out your comments is that it was claimed to be what God wants. It claims to be the only way to reach God, to find his acceptance.