Quote:79.19 Questioner: I would like to try to understand the archetypes of the mind of this Logos prior to the extension of the first distortion. In order to better understand that which we experience now I believe that this is a logical approach.

We have, as you have stated, the matrix, the potentiator, and the significator. I understand the matrix as being that which is what we call the conscious mind, but since it is also that from which the mind is made, I am at a loss to fully understand these three terms especially with respect to the time before there was a division in consciousness. Could you expand even more upon the Matrix of the Mind, the Potentiator of the Mind, and the Significator of the Mind, how they differ, and what their relationships are, please?
Ra: I am Ra. The Matrix of Mind is that from which all comes. It is unmoving yet is the activator in potentiation of all mind activity. The Potentiator of the Mind [the unconscious] is that great resource which may be seen as the sea into which the consciousness dips ever deeper and more thoroughly in order to create, ideate, and become more self-conscious.

78.11 Questioner: Could you elaborate please on the nature and quality of the matrix and the potentiator?
Ra: I am Ra. In the mind complex the matrix may be described as consciousness. It has been called the Magician. It is to be noted that of itself consciousness is unmoved. The potentiator of consciousness is the unconscious. This encompasses a vast realm of potential in the mind.

78.33 Questioner: Would the archetype then that has been called the High Priestess, which represents the intuition, be properly the second of the archetypes?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. You see here the recapitulation of the beginning knowledge of this Logos; that is, matrix and potentiator. The unconscious is indeed what may be poetically described as High Priestess, for it is the Potentiator of the Mind and as potentiator for the mind is that principle which potentiates all experience.

78.35 Questioner: I was asking if the third archetype was the Empress and was it correct to say that this archetype had to do with disciplined meditation?
Ra: I am Ra. The third archetype may broadly be grasped as the Catalyst of the Mind. Thus it takes in far more than disciplined meditation. However, it is certainly through this faculty that catalyst is most efficiently used. The Archetype, Three, is perhaps confusedly called Empress although the intention of this number is the understanding that it represents the unconscious or female portion of the mind complex being first, shall we say, used or ennobled by the male or conscious portion of the mind. Thus the noble name.

78.36 Questioner: The fourth archetype is called the Emperor and seems to have to do with experience of other-selves and the green-ray energy center with respect to other-selves. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is perceptive. The broad name for Archetype Four may be the Experience of the Mind. In the tarot you find the name of Emperor. Again this implies nobility and in this case we may see the suggestion that it is only through the catalyst which has been processed by the potentiated consciousness that experience may ensue. Thusly is the conscious mind ennobled by the use of the vast resources of the unconscious mind.

79.10 Questioner: Then from that statement I assume that the Logos first devised the tool of separating the unconscious from the conscious during what we call physical incarnations to achieve its objective? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

79.34 Questioner: OK. Sorry about that.

The next archetype, the Empress, is the Catalyst of the Mind, that which acts upon the conscious mind to change it. The fourth archetype is the Emperor, the Experience of the Mind, which is that material stored in the unconscious which creates its continuing bias. Am I correct with those statements?
Ra: I am Ra. Though far too rigid in your statements, you perceive correct relationships. There is a great deal of dynamic interrelationship in these first four archetypes

83.3 Questioner: Thank you. I’m going to ask a rather long, complex question and I would request that the answer to each portion of this question be given if there was a significant difference prior to the veil than following the veil so that I can get an idea of how what we experience now is used for better polarization.

What was the difference before the veil in the following while incarnate in third density: sleep, dreams, physical pain, mental pain, sex, disease, catalyst programming, random catalyst, relationships, and communication with the Higher Self or with the mind/body/spirit totality or any other mind, body, or spirit functions before the veil that would be significant with respect to their difference after the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, let us establish that both before and after the veil the same conditions existed in time/space; that is, the veiling process is a space/time phenomenon.

Secondly, the character of experience was altered drastically by the veiling process. In some cases such as the dreaming and the contact with the Higher Self, the experience was quantitatively different due to the fact that the veiling is a primary cause of the value of dreams and is also the single door against which the Higher Self must stand awaiting entry. Before veiling, dreams were not for the purpose of using the so-called unconscious to further utilize catalyst but were used to learn/teach from teach/learners within the inner planes as well as those of outer origins of higher density. As you deal with each subject of which you spoke you may observe, during the veiling process, not a quantitative change in the experience but a qualitative one.

83.18 Questioner: What was the mechanism of the very first veiling process? I don’t know if you can answer that. Would you try to answer that?
Ra: I am Ra. The mechanism of the veiling between the conscious and unconscious portions of the mind was a declaration that the mind was complex. This, in turn, caused the body and the spirit to become complex.

86.6 Questioner: In the last session you had mentioned the properties precipitating from the veiling of the mind; the first being envisioning or far-seeing. Would you explain the meaning of that?
Ra: I am Ra. Your language is not overstrewn with non-emotional terms for the functional qualities of what is now termed unconscious mind. The nature of mind is something which we have requested that you ponder. However, it is, shall we say, clear enough to the casual observer that we may share some thoughts with you without infringing upon your free learn/teaching experiences.

The nature of the unconscious is of the nature of concept rather than word. Consequently, before the veiling the use of the deeper mind was that of the use of unspoken concept. You may consider the emotive and connotative aspects of a melody. One could call out, in some stylized fashion, the terms for the notes of the melody. One could say, quarter note A, quarter note A, quarter note A, whole note F. This bears little resemblance to the beginning of the melody of one of your composer’s most influential melodies, that known to you as a symbol of victory.

This is the nature of the deeper mind. There are only stylized methods with which to discuss its functions. Thusly our descriptions of this portion of the mind, as well as the same portions of body and spirit, were given terms such as “far-seeing,” indicating that the nature of penetration of the veiled portion of the mind may be likened unto the journey too rich and exotic to contemplate adequate describing thereof.

93.20 Questioner: I was just wondering if the transparency of the garments on the third card indicates the semi-permeable nature of the veil between the conscious and unconscious mind?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a thoughtful perception and cannot be said to be incorrect. However, the intended suggestion, in general, is an echo of our earlier suggestion that the nature of catalyst is that of the unconscious; that is, outward catalyst comes through the veil.

All that you perceive seems to be consciously perceived. This is not the correct supposition. All that you perceive is perceived as catalyst unconsciously. By the, shall we say, time that the mind begins its appreciation of catalyst, that catalyst has been filtered through the veil and in some cases much is veiled in the most apparently clear perception.

94.10 Questioner: From the previous session the statement was made that much is veiled to the most apparently clear observation. Would Ra expand on what was meant by that statement? I assume that this means the veiling of all that which is outside of the limits of what we call our physical perception having to do with the spectrum of light, etc., but I also intuit that there is more than that veiled. Would Ra expand on that concept?
Ra: I am Ra. You are perceptive in your supposition. Indeed, we meant not any suggestions that the physical apparatus of your current illusion was limited as part of the veiling process. Your physical limits are as they are.

However, because of the unique biases of each mind/body/spirit complex there are sometimes quite simple instances of distortion when there is no apparent cause for such distortion. Let us use the example of the virile and immature male who meets and speaks clearly with a young female whose physical form has the appropriate configuration to cause, for this male entity, the activation of the red-ray sexual arousal.

The words spoken may be upon a simple subject such as naming, information as to the occupation, and various other common interchanges of sound vibratory complex. The male entity, however, is using almost all the available consciousness it possesses in registering the desirability of the female. Such may also be true of the female.

Thusly an entire exchange of information may be meaningless because the actual catalyst is of the body. This is unconsciously controlled and is not a conscious decision. This example is simplistic.

101.4 Questioner: In this particular case, which avenue was the one that produced the catalyst of the bite?
Ra: I am Ra. The nature of catalyst is such that there is only one source, for the catalyst and experience are further attempts at specificity in dealing with the architecture of the unconscious mind of the self. Therefore, in an incarnational experience the self as Creator, especially the Higher Self, is the base from which catalyst stands to offer its service to the mind, body, or spirit.

(04-28-2011, 12:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: @turtledude23 (am I allowed to address you directly?)

It may be that the boiled down answer to all that you have questioned in the last post is Balance. Nothing biased in preincarnation but to balance the One. I am asking.

(04-28-2011, 02:57 AM)Azrael Wrote: If all is infinite I can only surmise one single thing, that the cosmos is a God's playground, everything in existence is for the satiation of one's soul desire to experience beauty in all its forms.

(04-29-2011, 06:01 AM)Confused Wrote:

(04-28-2011, 02:57 AM)Azrael Wrote: If all is infinite I can only surmise one single thing, that the cosmos is a God's playground, everything in existence is for the satiation of one's soul desire to experience beauty in all its forms.

That is the greatest lesson I have learned from your post. Thanks, Azrael. This is not flattery, friend. Sincere appreciation.

We all know this is a play, but the roles will still have to be played by us before retiring to the backstage for rest and enlightenment. The masks cannot be removed just because we know it is a mask. The mask stays on till our part on the stage is fulfilled. There is no escape from duty until we reach the shores; unless the grace of the One Infinite Creator descends upon the aspirant as the bright morning Sun before it is time.

As Shakespeare said -- All the world's a stage

(04-29-2011, 01:13 PM)kycahi Wrote: Makes me wonder what the Orion folk would use to describe the STO camp. Pretty derogatory, I bet, like no organization, no one in charge, incoherent babble, loose canons etc.

(04-29-2011, 03:46 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: I found this interesting, it made me think of some high ranking government official describing an STO-rooted opposition party or grassroots movement.

(04-29-2011, 01:13 PM)kycahi Wrote: Makes me wonder what the Orion folk would use to describe the STO camp. Pretty derogatory, I bet, like no organization, no one in charge, incoherent babble, loose canons etc.

(04-29-2011, 09:39 PM)Confused Wrote: Yes, I have wondered on similar lines. May be the STS thinking goes that the STO folks are not realistic, and are contradicting themselves in many ways.

If all is ONE and there is ONE mysterious self of the creator underpinning all of infinite creation, then where exactly is the other to be served.

They take a more realpolitik view of the way infinite creation works, I suppose.

(04-29-2011, 09:22 PM)Azrael Wrote: I think the words making up the concepts "Service to self" and "service to other-self" to be quite a redundancy. It is clearly stated by Ra that both paths help both sides, they are simply identifiers for those whom desire of such things. Our language very much limits our capacity to fully grasp the nature of the two paths, if indeed two is all there are. What about those who do service to no one? Does that default to themselves or make them automatically STS? Are the paths a matter of karma or is there some other need for separating behavioral habits into two categories of morality? Is it really nothing more than a decision of what role to play? Is there significance in one or the other, or like in the nature of some ideas, does every possibility get played out in some alternate stream of time?

This all comes down to, is there really any other point for the universe to exist besides the fact that it's excruciatingly interesting and exciting? Does there need to be any other point?

(04-29-2011, 11:26 PM)Azrael Wrote: Yes, that makes sense to me too.

Also I just read this "The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.", a quote from Ra.

Quote:78.20 Questioner: You stated previously that The Choice is made in this third-density and is the axis upon which the creation turns. Could you expand on your reason for making that statement?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a statement of the nature of creation as we speak to you.

Category: Cosmology

78.21 Questioner: I did not understand that. Could you say that in a different way?
Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is further the nature of that Logos.

The original Logos’s experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more. Therefore we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.

Category: Cosmology

78.22 Questioner: After third density, in our experience, social memory complexes are polarized positively and negatively. Is the interaction of social memory complexes of opposite polarity equivalent, but on a magnified scale, to the interaction between mind/body/spirit complexes of opposite polarity? Is this how experience is gained as a function of polarity difference in fourth and fifth densities?
Ra: I am Ra. No.

Category: Densities: Fourth

78.23 Questioner: This is a hard question to ask, but what is the value experientially of the formation of positive and negative social memory complexes, of the separation of the polarities at that point rather than the allowing for the mixing of mind/body/spirit complexes of opposite polarity in the higher densities?
Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of polarity is to develop the potential to do work. This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say, experiments which have evolved since the concept of The Choice was appreciated. Work is done far more efficiently and with greater purity, intensity, and variety by the voluntary searching of mind/body/spirit complexes for the lessons of third and fourth densities. The action of fifth density is viewed in space/time the same with or without polarity. However, viewed in time/space, the experiences of wisdom are greatly enlarged and deepened due, again, to the voluntary nature of polarized mind/body/spirit action.

Category: Cosmology

78.24 Questioner: Then you are saying that as a result of the polarization in consciousness which has occurred later in the galactic evolution, the experiences are much more intense along the two paths. Are these experiences each independent of the other? Must there be action across the potentiated difference between the positive and negative polarity, or is it possible to have this experience simply because of the single polarity? This is difficult to ask.
Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.

The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and visa-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

(04-30-2011, 12:35 AM)drifting pages Wrote: knowing that everything will work out for you.

(05-10-2011, 08:01 PM)Eddie Wrote: All of my life (even when a very young child), I have been amazed by the miracles that I see around me every day.....flowers, trees, birds, clouds....I have always been mezmerized and awed by the beauty of Creation. I think that is why I wish to serve the Creator.

(04-29-2011, 01:13 PM)kycahi Wrote: Per the LOO, the parallel path is only for a few densities in, I presume, this one octave. I wonder if perhaps the Ra and Confederation complexes, having long made their STO choice, betray their bias by the words they chose about the STSers, e.g. enslavement and separation. Makes me wonder what the Orion folk would use to describe the STO camp. Pretty derogatory, I bet, like no organization, no one in charge, incoherent babble, loose canons etc.

Quote:Questioner: Yes, do the negative polarity people or entities, do they view us as positive polarity and themselves as negative, or do they not use this terminology or way of thinking? Perhaps I am not asking that clearly, I am not sure.

I am Q’uo. We believe we have the gist of your query. From the standpoint of the negative path the positive path is naive and weak. From the standpoint of the negative path the negative entity feels that it must look out for itself, and shall take all opportunities to take advantage of others who are naive and weak. It further feels that if these entities which are naive and weak learn from this experience to protect the self and use others who are naive and weak, then they have been of service in teaching a previously naive “babe in the woods” the nature of “the real world.”

Indeed, almost no negatively oriented entity wishes to use such prejudicial language about its path. The language is more often couched in terms of affirming the self. This is not to be confused with the process of accepting the imperfect and universal self as a heart of preparation for loving others as you love yourself. Do you see this, my brother?