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Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-30-2011
i was wondering if u could please help me out.
its umm is it bad to correct people on what i feel they have misunderstood?
one of my friends keeps feeling like. i always act like she doesn't know anything, and that everything i say has to be right.
the problem starts here regarding free will
i was talking about my friend raina. and how i don't send her love energy because she feels as if she's being attacked when i do. she actually feels physical pain. she said never to send her energy unless she gives me explicit permission. i agreed to that.
so i was telling my friend donette not to send love to someone, when they don't allow you to or when they don't ask for it and this is where the conflict ensues.
she was saying that she does anyway and i automatically was firm in stating it's very unwise to do this, you incur karma on yourself..
i said this based on my experiences with raina and how it makes her feel attacked and how she actually gets physical pain from being sent energy.
additionally it's not my intention to make donette feel bad. or to make her feel that way. Donette claims that when i speak to her I always make her feel like she doesn't know anything, and that everything I say is right, probably due to the style in which i know to speak.
does that incur karma with how i handle it?
this is what i've been trying to avoid all along.. The last thing I want to do is make someone feel that way.. and then they blame me for projecting myself on to them.
now from my experiences if i make someone feel this way, it's cause they are going through the same problems.
eh i'd rather not get into any conflict at all. i ask you for your wisdom in the matter cause i'm kinda stumped.
should i just shut the hell up and let people believe what they want to believe? lol maybe i should just do that.
it's just... how else do we teach not to infringe on free will to those that are on the same path?
is it better to let them make their mistakes?
how can i best align myself to service to others?
the best I end up concluding is to follow my own advice which resorts to refining more of myself and letting go of how others make mistakes or not.
though... i think about all the heartbreak that i go through as an individual, i think i end up breaking free will because i do not want them to experience the same pain or sadness that i have to go through.
what is the best course of action?
I've come to a point in my life where I really do care about how I make others feel with my actions. I don't really yet know how to express myself in a way that doesn't make people feel bad about what they think.
please help me
Love and light,
Felix
i read this:
How do you choose a Service to others path?
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you into Being, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator, for all that It has done, and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.
Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine Spark in the Heart of all Beings. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself, and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. "For even as you are doing it to the least of these, you are doing it unto me". The Law of Radiation and Attraction. Your thoughts, words, and actions return to you. Ultimately, cultivate a spirit of humble Gratitude. You won't go far wrong with that. Desire to Serve flows naturally from a grateful heart.
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and how i would like to be treated is to be told the truth no matter how painful it is. which is what i do to people.. and it pisses them off..
so yes now i search the forum for wisdom that is beyond me.. I look forward to all your responses.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - spero - 01-30-2011
Hi Felix,
Whether the sending of love or light is something that can incur karma depends on the sending.
Quote:78.7 Questioner: Thank you. In utilizing the energetic displacements of thought-forms energizing the instrument during contact most efficiently, what specifically could we do?
Ra: I am Ra. Each of the support group has an excess of love and light to offer the instrument during the working. Already each sends to the instrument love, light, and thoughts of strength of the physical, mental, and spiritual configurations. These sendings are forms. You may refine these sendings until the fullest manifestations of love and light are sent into the energy web of this entity which functions as instrument. Your exact sending is, in order to be most potent, the creature of your own making.
So it seems that the particular sending of love and/or light is unique. This is not surprsing since all that exists is composed of love and light and hence these sending can take the form of almost anything in creation, ranging from conceptualised thought forms to pure undifferentiated love. Its therefore not surprising that the reaction to such sending is also varied. Hence the interaction between yourself and Raina may be a function of the type of sending you are offering and her own unique response to such sending.
Quote:21.15 Questioner: How did the Confederation send this love and light? What did they do?
Ra: I am Ra. There dwell within the Confederation planetary entities who from their planetary spheres do nothing but send love and light as pure streamings to those who call. This is not in the form of conceptual thought but of pure and undifferentiated love.
As the above quote suggests you usually wait for a call of some description, which respects the free will of the other entity to whom your sending.
If we assume that to abridge another entities free will is to incur karma, then if Donette asked for your advice then you don't incur karma for telling her what you think, however if your insist she adopt your viewpoint this begins to abridge her free will and incurs karma (or so i believe
)How do you help another entity on their path? the following quote is helpful.
Quote:17.2 Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?
Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.
We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.
We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.
We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?
Even as i write this reply i potentially abridge your free will if i insist that all that i've written above is fact. All it is is my opinion based on some books i've read and some small life experience. I garauntee that it will change in the future, i'm not going to insist on it being right in the present, but i offer it nonetheless hoping it might be of some help
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - kycahi - 01-30-2011
I took training in Reiki, a healing modality. One way of using it is to treat a person remotely. My teacher said that, after going through the process of connecting with the client, send the message to their unconscious that they are free to accept or reject this energy. I think you can do that with any kind of working with someone, whether it's healing energy or just an attempt at sending unconditional love.
My idea of karma is different than most people's--I don't think we can very easily, if at all, inflict bad karma on ourselves in this 3D, but that's me. That doesn't mean that I take risks, though.
When I have a conversation with someone, they may talk about an experience or some ideas that prompts me to discuss my beliefs. First I try to abstain from saying anything and listen some more, but if I do say something, and even if they ask directly what do I know, I try to start by saying something like, "My current thinking goes like this..." Because I used to have different ideas and likely will have newer ones in the future, I give them a POV where they can hear but not have to accept. Maybe I do have an opinion on the topic but don't want to sound like I really have the inside track. That is obnoxious first of all, and the listener doesn't feel bombarded.
Often when I write something though, as in these forums, I tend to be more direct if I really think I have something figured out. I may be wrong about this, but I think when people read something they can spot the bullsh*t and think, "What a crock!"
To sum up, if even Ra believe they are "an humble messenger," then so should I.
Lee
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-30-2011
thanks.. i was really looking forward to a personal interpretation and not a Law of One passage as they can get confusing.
i've realized this whole misunderstanding stemmed from my idea of 2 kinds of love
love energy.. the actual transmission of white light , sun chakra, earth chakra, and heart chakra.. coming together to form a little love package
or just simply my emotion of love.
if i send her energy it hurts..
if i simply love her... it's not sending her that energy and it doesn't hurt or physically hurt her.
but it's the energy that does. which i refrain to do. and yes i did ask her spirit guide.. i did post that same thing giving the choice to either accept it or to throw it away.
next morning raina says she felt like she was attacked, it really doesn't matter what u do or how you intend your energy, however careful u are, or however well intentioned..
it hurts her.
perhaps it all stemmed from the confusion between the two.. what u call reiki.. i call love. or chi, or chakra, i see it as the same.
but then there is just simply my love.. like i love you but i'm not conciously sending u any form of my own life force.
if that makes sense? blah i'm letting this go now >_<
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mind if i send u both my loving energy?
as thanks
Felix
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 06:34 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: said never to send her energy unless she gives me explicit permission. i agreed to that.
so i was telling my friend donette not to send love to someone, when they don't allow you to or when they don't ask for it and this is where the conflict ensues.
she was saying that she does anyway and i automatically was firm in stating it's very unwise to do this, you incur karma on yourself..
i said this based on my experiences with raina and how it makes her feel attacked and how she actually gets physical pain from being sent energy.
does that incur karma with how i handle it?
this is what i've been trying to avoid all along..
it's just... how else do we teach not to infringe on free will to those that are on the same path?
is it better to let them make their mistakes?
it is not complex.
you cant give someone something that is not needed or wanted. it doesnt matter whether that is green ray energy (compassion) or not.
if you are having such issues and questions, then maybe it is time for you to work on higher energy centers in order to move about into a higher level of activity - in your situation it seems you need to acquire the sensitivity to understand what is needed/desired and what is not, in the emotional sphere of life, so that you wont try to shove in any kind of energy that others do not desire at that given point in time.
this would entail development of blue ray. one step further is indigo ray activity, which would set one up quite well with sensing the overall situation and seeing what's desired and whats not.
so then the apparent direction to take in your particular situation would be working on blue ray, in its communication aspect.
since it seems that you are already doing that with all that communication with your friends that you have told us, everything seems rather well set out.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 03:10 PM)unity100 Wrote:(01-30-2011, 06:34 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: said never to send her energy unless she gives me explicit permission. i agreed to that.
so i was telling my friend donette not to send love to someone, when they don't allow you to or when they don't ask for it and this is where the conflict ensues.
she was saying that she does anyway and i automatically was firm in stating it's very unwise to do this, you incur karma on yourself..
i said this based on my experiences with raina and how it makes her feel attacked and how she actually gets physical pain from being sent energy.
does that incur karma with how i handle it?
this is what i've been trying to avoid all along..
it's just... how else do we teach not to infringe on free will to those that are on the same path?
is it better to let them make their mistakes?
it is not complex.
you cant give someone something that is not needed or wanted. it doesnt matter whether that is green ray energy (compassion) or not.
if you are having such issues and questions, then maybe it is time for you to work on higher energy centers in order to move about into a higher level of activity - in your situation it seems you need to acquire the sensitivity to understand what is needed/desired and what is not, in the emotional sphere of life, so that you wont try to shove in any kind of energy that others do not desire at that given point in time.
this would entail development of blue ray. one step further is indigo ray activity, which would set one up quite well with sensing the overall situation and seeing what's desired and whats not.
so then the apparent direction to take in your particular situation would be working on blue ray, in its communication aspect.
since it seems that you are already doing that with all that communication with your friends that you have told us, everything seems rather well set out.
big smile big heart chakra energy explody.. wheeeee
thank you
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 05:31 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote:(01-30-2011, 03:10 PM)unity100 Wrote:(01-30-2011, 06:34 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: said never to send her energy unless she gives me explicit permission. i agreed to that.
so i was telling my friend donette not to send love to someone, when they don't allow you to or when they don't ask for it and this is where the conflict ensues.
she was saying that she does anyway and i automatically was firm in stating it's very unwise to do this, you incur karma on yourself..
i said this based on my experiences with raina and how it makes her feel attacked and how she actually gets physical pain from being sent energy.
does that incur karma with how i handle it?
this is what i've been trying to avoid all along..
it's just... how else do we teach not to infringe on free will to those that are on the same path?
is it better to let them make their mistakes?
it is not complex.
you cant give someone something that is not needed or wanted. it doesnt matter whether that is green ray energy (compassion) or not.
if you are having such issues and questions, then maybe it is time for you to work on higher energy centers in order to move about into a higher level of activity - in your situation it seems you need to acquire the sensitivity to understand what is needed/desired and what is not, in the emotional sphere of life, so that you wont try to shove in any kind of energy that others do not desire at that given point in time.
this would entail development of blue ray. one step further is indigo ray activity, which would set one up quite well with sensing the overall situation and seeing what's desired and whats not.
so then the apparent direction to take in your particular situation would be working on blue ray, in its communication aspect.
since it seems that you are already doing that with all that communication with your friends that you have told us, everything seems rather well set out.
big smile big heart chakra energy explody.. wheeeee
thank you
explody, cuddly goody ...
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - rva_jeremy - 01-30-2011
I initially just wanted to endorse Spero's post. But I thought it would help me to restate it for my own clarity.
It is never an infringement to send pure love/light, formless and without expectation. A universe saturated in love/light would, according to that hypothesis, be infringing on somebody just by pure fact of being. However, most of the time we send love/light in thought forms that could, indeed, be considered infringement. The key is to love without exception or expectation.
Also, infringement will happen, inevitably. Learn to forgive self and other-self. Use the lessons.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 07:40 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: I initially just wanted to endorse Spero's post. But I thought it would help me to restate it for my own clarity.
It is never an infringement to send pure love/light, formless and without expectation. A universe saturated in love/light would, according to that hypothesis, be infringing on somebody just by pure fact of being.
technically, it does. the distress the entity is in, may have been chosen pre-incarnation in order to effect various things. by supplying that entity with various energies and changing the energetic situation, it is possible to remove or dampen the dynamics that the entity was going to use as potential to make various choices.
moreover, any kind of energy always carries the imprint of the source that had reflected or generated it. in the end, it gets generated or reflected by that particular source. it will carry the characteristics emanating from that focus.
its rather uninformed to think that green ray compassion (or blue ray, indigo ray, violet ray even) would just be all-in one joker that would work in any situation and be compatible with everyone. if it was, there wouldnt be many confederations in a galaxy that has 67 million (ra's number approx) conscious planetary bodies. there would only be one.
moreover, nearby logoi wouldnt be choosing similar archetypes and plan similar experiences, as Ra tells us.
it means there is the concept of compatibility.
Quote:However, most of the time we send love/light in thought forms that could, indeed, be considered infringement. The key is to love without exception or expectation.
doesnt matter whether you send it without exception or expectation - there would still be those with whom your vibrations are more compatible with, and those with whom they are not.
the green ray that is sent, also carries the red, orange and yellow vibrations entity has accumulated. its not something separate by itself.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - kycahi - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: the green ray that is sent, also carries the red, orange and yellow vibrations entity has accumulated. its not something separate by itself.
I never would have thought like that, but of course you are right. We 3D people couldn't make a pure green ray no matter how hard trying; it would leak the lower colors too.
Lee
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 09:50 PM)kycahi Wrote:(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: the green ray that is sent, also carries the red, orange and yellow vibrations entity has accumulated. its not something separate by itself.
I never would have thought like that, but of course you are right. We 3D people couldn't make a pure green ray no matter how hard trying; it would leak the lower colors too.
Lee
you misunderstood. its not about 'leaking'.
each ray, has to contain the properties and emanations of the rays before that. because they build up on each other.
there can be no yellow (more than one entity manifestation) without there being an entity developed in full as a unit (orange) first, there would be no entity developed as a unit without there being movement/change (red) first.
similarly, there would be no green, without more than one developed entity interacting with each other. similarly there would be no free communication/exchange of thoughts, feelings, ideas and expression (blue), without more than one entity interacting with other in an accepting fashion. and so it goes.
so in that, each ray takes up culminated properties of the ray before, and adds its meaning to it, adding more meaning into it.
the entity adds its own characteristic vibrations to the sum with every step it takes, right up to its violet ray.
but there is a catch - violet ray is ever present in the entity even if in 3 or 5th. it is the sum of the entity and its balance.
hence, at any given point, there are other entities and groups which are more compatible with that entity due to violet ray balances of the entities compared to each other, and there are those, who are not.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-31-2011
(01-30-2011, 10:05 PM)unity100 Wrote:(01-30-2011, 09:50 PM)kycahi Wrote:(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: the green ray that is sent, also carries the red, orange and yellow vibrations entity has accumulated. its not something separate by itself.
I never would have thought like that, but of course you are right. We 3D people couldn't make a pure green ray no matter how hard trying; it would leak the lower colors too.
Lee
hence, at any given point, there are other entities and groups which are more compatible with that entity due to violet ray balances of the entities compared to each other, and there are those, who are not.
yes it's very important to consider this on an individual basis and not on a general basis as i have mistaken when i tried to do a white light variation grounding meditation.
to be more specific the person in question was raped at a very young age. she was unable to trust men as a result. just about the only man she's ever trusted was her grandfather. so my male energy perhaps made her feel attacked.
similarly she's also highly psychic and very perceptive to the emotions of others. i cannot imagine what she's had to go through to endure that.
i also suspect this incarnation's "handicap" so to speak stems from a previous karmic infringement or debt from a previous lifetime. again however it's guesswork on my part from just knowing her personally.
at the same time.. i've concluded not to send her energy at all, but to send my loving thoughts.
it's very important not to generalize here as yes we can say that love heals everything but... that would mean to say that the creator is not infinite in it's manifestation.
as the Orion group is a pure example of a group who doesn't want to join back to the creator and fashion themselves to be gods in their own right. Yet there is a social memory complex Lucifer that plays the STS role, but comes from the 6th density of love/light light/love?
at least thats what i've been learning here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1
anyway.. wonderful conversation here. u guys just baffle me in your collective light. i can feel the compassion here. it's warming to say the least
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - AnthroHeart - 01-31-2011
Thanks Blatz for the nice ending quote. Something I needed to hear.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 02:29 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: as the Orion group is a pure example of a group who doesn't want to join back to the creator and fashion themselves to be gods in their own right. Yet there is a social memory complex Lucifer that plays the STS role, but comes from the 6th density of love/light light/love?
at least thats what i've been learning here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1
in case you remember, it passes in various points in Ra material that '... service to self lie ...'
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - rva_jeremy - 01-31-2011
(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote:jeremy6d Wrote:It is never an infringement to send pure love/light, formless and without expectation. A universe saturated in love/light would, according to that hypothesis, be infringing on somebody just by pure fact of being.
technically, it does. the distress the entity is in, may have been chosen pre-incarnation in order to effect various things. by supplying that entity with various energies and changing the energetic situation, it is possible to remove or dampen the dynamics that the entity was going to use as potential to make various choices.
That is not how I understand these matters, my friend. Why is one catalyst experienced by an entity deemed "chosen" and another "not chosen"? Why is an encounter with an other-self suddenly not itself valid catalyst? This seems like trying to reduce an entity's experiences to "valid catalyst" and "invalid catalyst" without justifying the assertion or accounting for the limited vantage point of the judging party.
Let's attack this from another angle. Can you give me a better idea of what you think infringement is, in essence?
(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: moreover, any kind of energy always carries the imprint of the source that had reflected or generated it. in the end, it gets generated or reflected by that particular source. it will carry the characteristics emanating from that focus.
I don't disagree here; I just don't see it as significant. The infringement, to my understanding, does not arise because the love/light has a signature. The infringement arises in essence when the love/light is offered with conditions or expectations. That said, there are very few pure radiations of love/light in our density, of course.
What does not ring true to me, with all due respect, is the idea that radiation of love/light itself is something that should be withheld. I might be wrong about that, but that's my gut feeling. I think this is explained in a Ra quote I'll look for.
(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: its rather uninformed to think that green ray compassion (or blue ray, indigo ray, violet ray even) would just be all-in one joker that would work in any situation and be compatible with everyone. if it was, there wouldnt be many confederations in a galaxy that has 67 million (ra's number approx) conscious planetary bodies. there would only be one.
I agree that it seems like a silver bullet, at least to one who places a great deal of emphasis on wisdom and the nuanced employ of our capabilities. I disagree most fervently, my friend, that it is for that reason uninformed. I shall back this up when I have a moment to research.
Thanks for your feedback, unity100!
I've found a few quotes so far here and here but I don't consider them unimpeachable references. I'll try to look around because I really feel like Ra addressed this directly at some point.
Let me ask you this: assume I have committed to respecting the first distortion to the greatest extent possible in third density. As such, I am recognizing a duty to my otherselves to not engage in actions that infringe upon their free will choices. Given this background, are you suggesting that it contradicts my commitment to simply radiate love/light - at least, to the extent that avoiding infringement is possible in third density?
I find this a specious claim because:
- that would effectively infringe on my free will. If an other-self has the "right" to experience their distortions without infringement by others, then to the same extent, so do I. To say I must change my being to cease radiation, when this is just about the most basic activity possible, simply in order to respect another's free will seems ridiculous.
- if it is true that an other-self's distortions and catalyst are indeed chosen, then my offering of love/light is yet another element from which they can choose their response. You're suggesting I never give them anything to work with unless specifically requested, it seems like, when by my very nature I provide catalyst just by being.
- offering undifferentiated love/light is not undermining catalyst. They still have to work through their issue. Even accepting love/light, they still have to use it, and they can certainly choose to reject it. Infringement, in my view, comes from limiting choice, and I don't see how a pure radiation of love does this.
Perhaps you can shed some light on this, my friend, as your assertion hits me where it hurts, so to speak. If you are indeed right, I have some serious reflecting and re-evaluating to begin! I appreciate your patience and kind understanding.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-31-2011
at that point.. we're going into the territory of balancing wisdom/ compassion. aka 6D to withhold or not withhold.
where is my energy being wasted and turned away vs. where is it having the most effect?
i think that is where this all ultimately leads to.
going to where u will be heard the most, as opposed to going to where u will be ignored.
it's not to say ceasing love for those who have no awoken to your level, but that if one chooses not to be receptive to said love... is it no different than talking to a wall?
No matter what it's going to be a dead end.
the true heart of the matter falls back to my first question.. at what point is it wise to start doing that rather than the opposite.
I ask in order to find away to limit conflict and misunderstanding in the future on my part so that I may better serve others.
you should have seen how Raina reacted, it was painful, and she was very angry with me after I told her what i did.. I even worked and asked for permission from her spirit guide. It gets more personal with my life in that I have to learn how or when it is wise to "let go."
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 12:21 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:(01-30-2011, 07:55 PM)unity100 Wrote:jeremy6d Wrote:It is never an infringement to send pure love/light, formless and without expectation. A universe saturated in love/light would, according to that hypothesis, be infringing on somebody just by pure fact of being.
technically, it does. the distress the entity is in, may have been chosen pre-incarnation in order to effect various things. by supplying that entity with various energies and changing the energetic situation, it is possible to remove or dampen the dynamics that the entity was going to use as potential to make various choices.
That is not how I understand these matters, my friend. Why is one catalyst experienced by an entity deemed "chosen" and another "not chosen"? Why is an encounter with an other-self suddenly not itself valid catalyst? This seems like trying to reduce an entity's experiences to "valid catalyst" and "invalid catalyst" without justifying the assertion or accounting for the limited vantage point of the judging party.
the 'chosen catalyst' subject is a blurred one, and it is a lengthy talk in itself. oftimes which i think that being exaggerated too much.
however it seems that it does exist, and can be seen in the situations of people around any of us.
it seems that, it is about internal, spiritual attraction of situations and circumstances to self, or preprogrammed patterns that repeat until something is realized. if you just think, im sure anyone reading this topic will instantly realize that there are such people around them who are repeating such patterns.
in these cases drive is internal, and often subconscious. people rarely put themselves into quirky situations.
however in the situation you are describing, the entity, with a conscious decision, does things - sending of any energies whatsoever - without any input or request from the other entity.
in that, it may easily become an infringement, or in the least, an impediment to the entity. and in such situations, you often may see that the entity refuses or turns down the given energy, or reacts adversely to it, if it is aware of it.
that is the plight of green ray work. it thinks that green ray is 'da' ray, it can solve anything and is the answer to everything, and sees the existence through that window. it is empathetic, but not finely sculpted enough to be able to sense the delicate nuances and nature of the situation/entity that is being interacted with, in order to be able to understand what the entity needs/desires and what it does not.
for anyone who started to notice that something is missing in such positive energy encounters, things going awry or problematic, it may be time for them to start working on blue ray and up.
Quote:I don't disagree here; I just don't see it as significant. The infringement, to my understanding, does not arise because the love/light has a signature. The infringement arises in essence when the love/light is offered with conditions or expectations. That said, there are very few pure radiations of love/light in our density, of course.
that would be true if there hadnt been an endless number of groupings and divisions in our existence, according to the particular preferences/biases/vibrations of the logoi and the entities that come from them. moreover, we would still be working in situations that wouldnt employ veils, since the purer emanations there would be more amiable due to less infringement. yet, we are told that this was a situation lacking free will, leave aside its infringement. i tend to disagree with this, but with the given information we have, it cant be said that 'purer' -> less infringement.
you are also taking the path concept a bit shallow. as in taking a path as a concept that one only creates with their conscious mental choices, or spiritual choices out of x, or y possibilities.
a path is also an energetic journey. in any given stage in the journey, entity will have a particular violet ray radiation, and this radiation will prefer certain other vibrations, and wont prefer others. it is basically a compatibility issue. had there not been such a concept, there would be no impediment to any entity manifesting at any point in any given creation - yet, even nearby logoi tend to stack together and choose similar patterns (last bit Ra tells us in regard to archetypes), incarnating entities tend to choose nearby logoi, (just notice that how close the stars that sent 3d entities to incarnate in this planet are to sol), but more importantly, any given entity seem to prefer grouping with those whose violet vibrations it matches and/or complements.
had that been a 'purity of green ray' issue, however that is definable, the emphasis and entire meaning of this entire octave would be working on the purity of that green ray, and nothing else would be needed.
yet, as you can see, an example of an entity who has told to be opened his green chakra to maximum levels, has still graduated from green density, and started 5d density work, as Ra tells us. (the one known as jesus)
what would pureness change ?
it would probably change the rejection/turning down of the given energy if it is not compatible. it would be smoother and less problematic.
Quote:What does not ring true to me, with all due respect, is the idea that radiation of love/light itself is something that should be withheld. I might be wrong about that, but that's my gut feeling. I think this is explained in a Ra quote I'll look for.
you do not withhold your energies. you dont shove them in in places they are not wanted. moreover, you dont offer them, without being asked.
leave aside the concept of not giving anything without asked/called being something that is quite often dwelt on in the Ra material, as another curious example Ra relocated from venus, to earth, in order to be of service, despite venus as a planet is able to support 5th and 6th densities quite nicely.
the problem with green ray is that, it lacks the finesse to be able to discern what is called for, and what is not, by its own vibrations. thats why these are the work of blue ray and higher.
if you think otherwise, examining the potential examples of barging into a neo nazi hideout in germany or a radical islamist training camp in middle east, radiating love, would be of help. it is extreme, yet the example is in the same format with interacting with other individuals. you dont barge in without being called.
Quote:I agree that it seems like a silver bullet, at least to one who places a great deal of emphasis on wisdom and the nuanced employ of our capabilities.
quite. had green ray been the answer to everything, there would be only 4 densities in our octave.
(01-31-2011, 02:15 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: at that point.. we're going into the territory of balancing wisdom/compassion
the stage we are discussing is not yet the stage of that balance judging from the properties. being able to sense what is requested and what is not, is yet the work of blue ray, communication and expression.
quite right in that when it moves to indigo, the co creatorship of how much what you do becomes the centerpoint of the work, in the form of balance though. it is a very delicate work.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 02:43 PM)unity100 Wrote: it is a very delicate work.
ha yea... like balancing a needle on the pointy end on another needles pointy end.
that's why i came here to discuss this. at least here i can look at it objectively.
yet none of these things takes away from the lesson i have to learn, which is to let go when all methods are exhausted. it's very hard for me to.
in an attempt to merge the offshoot thread from the strictly Law of One channel back to life on planet earth channel I copy and paste:
although the two are inextricably linked... so i'm at a loss... I'M SORRY ADMINS!!!! SO SORRY :\ i send u my love anyway muah.
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the prejudice of STS is very common.. and yet one of the things i always teach is there is no good or evil
there is love of self
and then there is love of others.
while this density is definitely about choosing polarity. i still hit a roadblock in that.. i don't want to hate STS. doesn't that hate feed them? isn't hate an STS thing? I thought STO was to BE love. or is that for ultimate oneness specifically?
as far as the orion group goes, they love hate.
it's funny how my question about free will went to this, ultimately i have been thinking about this and questioning my own values as a result.
what is the best way to balance compassion in regards to free will
I feel as though when I am pushy, especially about some of these issues, it only serves to push my truth on to others.
and then I ask myself what would Yoda say in this situation? talk in a parable?
How to get that yoda mindset... wise old teacher, as opposed to forceful pushing on to others..
I feel compelled to send STS love as a result.
I want to be STO. really i do. From operating from the standpoint that love heals all, it gets complicated when someone takes that love as an attack. So i revert back to my original question.
Raina felt attacked regardless.. she didn't know who it was or who sent the energy that was intended to be loving and healing. It wasn't until I told her it was me, that she got angry with me.
so to that regard i did feel quite saddened by this. Sad that I am not here to cause hurt or harm, and yet when inadvertently causing harm with the intention of love. It's frustrating, depressing, and makes me wonder if in the end I am being positive and serving others at all.
It's almost like i'm serving myself, in that what pleases me, is to serve others. Serving others pleases me so that in it of itself serves myself ultimately.
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRRAZZZYYYY.. i'm nuts i tells you! NUTS!
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - rva_jeremy - 01-31-2011
Unity100, thanks for your very generous response. I think you have clarified where we may have inadvertently diverged.
From my point of view, an undifferentiated radiation of love/light would be undirected and a simple radiation in all directions. This is without intention or perhaps even consciousness. It is not terribly different from the love/light permeating the Creation in the plenum. Until we invest this love/light with "thought form" - the direction of this love/light being such a form - it cannot be said to be any more of an infringement on the other-self than the Creation as a whole by it's very nature could somehow be considered infringement on the other-self.
Free will (at the level of the manifested self, at least) doesn't mean you get to choose the lessons, as A Course in Miracles says; it only determines the time you take in learning them.
That said, I think you're right, after all. If I direct love/light, I have taken it from its natural potential undifferentiated state and used my will to convert it to a kinetic. This will almost certainly involves thought which at that very moment forms it and gives it the impression that you described. That is different than a pure radiation of love/light as a mere consequence of being.
So I guess we interpreted the initial question slightly differently. What I heard the OP saying was that the other-self was requesting he not radiate love/light towards her at all, which is impossible in the pure sense. I can't choose where the vibrations emanating from me go if I'm not consciously directing them. And the default, unconscious state of this radiation will hardly be "no radiation at all" for anybody polarizing positively.
On the other hand, I believe you are right in that a directed transfer of love/light would, indeed, be an infringement if it were not requested.
I still retain the right to love people who don't want it, and see them as myself and the Creator, but I certainly cannot consciously push that love/light on people in some more manifested way as a matter of will without consequences. That would be like healing without request. To the extent it's an act of will, it's an act of responsibility. Would you agree with that?
Also, another place we're talking past each other: I think a pure green ray radiation would not care in the slightest about whether it was an efficient or efficacious transmission. It would simply radiate without expectation. Of course if you want that effort to have results, that's a totally different kind of task that does, indeed, require wisdom. But it is by no means what everybody chooses, or even should choose.
I really appreciate your guidance on this, Unity100. Thank you.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 03:22 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: So I guess we interpreted the initial question slightly differently. What I heard the OP saying was that the other-self was requesting he not radiate love/light towards her at all, which is impossible in the pure sense. I can't choose where the vibrations emanating from me go if I'm not consciously directing them. And the default, unconscious state of this radiation will hardly be "no radiation at all" for anybody polarizing positively.
On the other hand, I believe you are right in that a directed transfer of love/light would, indeed, be an infringement if it were not requested.
I still retain the right to love people who don't want it, and see them as myself and the Creator, but I certainly cannot consciously push that love/light on people in some more manifested way as a matter of will without consequences. That would be like healing without request. To the extent it's an act of will, it's an act of responsibility. Would you agree with that?
in such a situation the high level of approach would be to see the particular violet balance the other entity wants/requires, and accept that violet balance as it is, without trying to change or distort it with any additions and modifications. however this would pass through the indigo work towards violet, and way out of the league of the subject we are discussing here, not to mention quite delicate and maybe hard.
however, in the end, green ray will learn as green ray will, radiating as it will, and encountering problems as it will and learning past. what we are talking is just discussing various points at which one may need to slowly start looking towards blue ray in order to start seeing the situation.
in practicality, you cant stop your radiations indeed. but, if you are in a situation in which your radiations truly are not wanted, then it means there is a question of incompatibility - the wise approach would not be in such situations or be with such people, or, be with them at that particular period/time, in the first place.
Quote:Also, another place we're talking past each other: I think a pure green ray radiation would not care in the slightest about whether it was an efficient or efficacious transmission. It would simply radiate without expectation. Of course if you want that effort to have results, that's a totally different kind of task that does, indeed, require wisdom. But it is by no means what everybody chooses, or even should choose.
i have just been alerted to the fact that radiation without expectation is told to start with blue ray, in Ra material. i didnt remember that.
Quote:I really appreciate your guidance on this, Unity100. Thank you.
smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 03:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.
aahhhh you're making my heart chakra burst out sooooo much. today is a great day to learn STO... i just wanna go on top of a mountain and SCREAM THAT! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - rva_jeremy - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 03:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.
The blue ray wisdom just shines through there, man.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - Aaron - 01-31-2011
unity100 Wrote:smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.
Now, I'm feeling genuine green ray energy from you, my brother!!
mushy flowing huge heart love heart smile!!!
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - zenmaster - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 03:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.unity - they have finally broken you and have provided the necessary catalyst to energize green-ray. welcome to the wonderful world of la la land.
Nomustard.
Can't seem to find the 'vomit' emoticon...
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - unity100 - 02-01-2011
(01-31-2011, 10:08 PM)Aaron Wrote:unity100 Wrote:smiley explodey heart, smiley smiley, heart.
Now, I'm feeling genuine green ray energy from you, my brother!!
it was more blue mixed with indigo mischievousness.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 02-15-2011
okay so.. i have a problem.. with skeptics
i see it as blocking my flow of energy.. please help me
i have shown my two psi wheel videos to people and they are like... oh it looks like your breathing on it..
i got so pissed off. these damn skeptics who don't believe in the spiritual world.. gah.
so i made this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiSoFglgeg
man i was so pissed.. i even had to film it twice because the first time was even more angry. so i tried to laugh it off u know because holding on to that anger would have just... made more blockage!
should i delete this?
I ask the entire forum because.... i know my videos contain an energy
and i know that energy affects the world. i keep asking myself is this the face i want to show to the world?
my friends says:
i understand that notion
its just erasing the past is something that doesn't sit well with me
to me its a kin to burning books
no matter how heretical they may be
they could at least serve as reminders
heeelp!
all i thought think was.. man i wanna punch these people in the face..
but then... my friend was like then do it.. and i said hell no i'm not giving in to my hate. i'm not gonna go out like that b**** anakin... ... I'M NOT GONNA SUCCUMB TO THE DARK SIDE.
anyway i need advice.
should i delete it yes or no?
EH NEVERMIND... i mean nevermind i deleted it..
but damn i was so pissed..
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - Crown - 02-15-2011
@BlatzAdict: Hello friend. Regarding your original post, when you were talking about how friends feel like you are "mistreating" them in some ways when you are having a discussion. What i learned from self experience is... Let people speak. 90% of the people on this earth will interrupt another person in the middle of his talk. I try hard (and succeed to some extent) to not be one of those people. I let the people infront of me to express their opinion. Ususally a person will have only this much to say and when he's "out of words" you can come in and tell him what you think. Ofcourse, some people will never stop speaking no matter what, so i kindly ask them, after letting them talk for a while, "Can i say something now?" It always works. I dont know if this is relevant to this thread but i think it is.
What im trying to say is the way people handle a conversation is almost always wrong. People will uncounciously and conciously admire the person who "runs" the conversations. Some people have the need to run every conversation they are involved with. This need ususally comes from psychological issues i'd call them, like inferiority complex etc.
We all must learn acceptance towards our other-selves. We all have a feeling that if we dont express ourselves its considered as a loss. I think this is a STS way of thought.
A few years ago, i started noticing how alot of people around me will always start a sentence with "No, but...". I decided to start sentences with "Yes, and..." or "Yes, but...".
I think that your friend might be getting these feelings of everything she says is wrong, because of alot of small things like "No, but...".
i hope this helps.
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - BlatzAdict - 02-15-2011
It helps me understand but it don't make it any easier to deal with lol
thanks tho
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - Aaron - 02-19-2011
Blatz, you can also put the video up without comments enabled. Then, no 5 year olds or trololololololols will be able to comment. But if someone's truly interested in what you're doing, I imagine they'll send you a message and ask about it. Of course, you might still get some hatemail, but you can always happily ignore them unless they open with a respectful, polite message.
Also, why do you think it makes you angry when people post skeptical comments on your video? Aren't they exercising their free will?
RE: Question regarding the Law Of Free Will - zenmaster - 02-19-2011
(02-15-2011, 05:11 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: i have shown my two psi wheel videos to people and they are like... oh it looks like your breathing on it..But it did look like you were breathing on it, regardless of the actual case.