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What Are You? - BrownEye - 01-26-2011
This is a thought experiment.
Imagine being born into a position of no sensory input.
No sight, sound, taste, touch, movement, nothing at all, like being in a sealed box and immobilized. No nerves being stimulated in any way.
Now, from that point, what can possibly go through your mind as a thought? If there is no sensory input of any sort, and you have no experience of anything at all, what do you think of? Do you even know that you exist?
You know it takes a while for a baby to put its experience to use.
So, with the idea of absolutely nothing to experience, what do you become? What would you grow into?
Since you have nothing at all to base a thought upon, do you even think?
All thought is based on comparison of one experience to another. And all experience comes from sensory organs, then translated into information recognizable to the brain. Only recognizable by comparing to previous info/experience.
What can you dream about without any basis?
Can you even dream?
Now, think of your self now. You are the end result or culmination of all things you have previously experienced. You can only consider things because you have previously experienced things to base a consideration upon.
You would not consider buying a car if you had never seen or been told about a car. Same goes for any concept you have never come close to experiencing.
So, look at your self. And how you seem to be a sort of recorder. You could almost imagine your self as some form of artificial intelligence. Taking and recording info, and comparing that info to previously recorded info.
We tend to think of our body as our self, the external shell, along with the combination of previous experience all lumped together and somehow organized into what we call a thought process.
Is this really our self?
We call it the "ego", growing kind of like the snowball rolling down a hill.
So what do you think of your self? Can you see how you started out with 1 and 1, taking one image and comparing it to another, as a baby, beginning a process, and accumulating enough from that process to form you? The thought/idea of what you are?
What are you?
Any thoughts?
Did you understand this?
Polarization/Choice.
We start out with an experience. Then we have a second experience, which is then compared to the first. From there, everything we do is a compilation of experiences, and comparing every experience with each other, then "picking" the experience that you want to become a part of your self.
In other words, we make a choice of every experience. You have two comparable experiences and you get to choose the positive or negative experience to build your self upon.
Those who are negative made the choice to take the negative unto themself to create themself.
Like the bricks to build a house, if you choose all the white bricks the house becomes white. If you choose all the black bricks the house becomes black.
So everything we do is creating an end result of choices that we decide to make our self out of.
Quote:Blind people do have dreams. However, those blind since birth or very early childhood have no visual imagery in their dreams. Instead, they experience a very high percentage of taste, smell, and touch sensations in their dreams.
The breakdown is as follows:
There are no visual images in the dreams of those born without any ability to experience visual imagery in waking life.
Individuals who become blind before the age of five seldom experience visual imagery in their dreams.
Those who become sightless between the ages of five and seven may or may not retain some visual imagery.
Most people who lost their vision after age seven continue to experience at least some visual imagery, although its frequency and clarity often fade with time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3CPHzCg_w&feature=player_embedded
RE: What Are You? - Eddie - 01-26-2011
We are the nerve endings of God.
RE: What Are You? - BrownEye - 01-26-2011
(01-26-2011, 02:15 PM)Eddie Wrote: We are the nerve endings of God.
That is kind of what I see as well. A lot of parallels. Kind of like bees bringing the correct pollen back to the hive ha ha
RE: What Are You? - Eddie - 01-26-2011
(01-26-2011, 02:51 PM)Pickle Wrote:(01-26-2011, 02:15 PM)Eddie Wrote: We are the nerve endings of God.
That is kind of what I see as well. A lot of parallels. Kind of like bees bringing the correct pollen back to the hive ha ha
That also is a good analogy. Everything we experience, whether we, ourselves perceive the experience to be favorable or unfavorable, increases the wisdom and magnificence of Creation. We humans, generally, do not realize our own power; we do not realize just how much we can uplift the Universe, by choosing our own experiences, and our own reactions to our experiences, carefully and deliberately, as ways to express and experience unconditional love. That's really why we are here in this "struggle" in 3rd density.
RE: What Are You? - mikesc - 01-28-2011
It took me a while to decide what to say about your post. In regards to your first scenario I tend to think that by being aware it is a part of our nature to add to or affect our situations in some way. So even in the absence of anything from which to build from we would at least imagine something, thought what that would be I can't say.
In your second senario you talk about our self being a collection of all that we have been through. I tend to think that this is partially correct. There is also what we have done with what we have been through. This again goes back to our nature as not only that which expereinces reality but as that which also shapes reality.
This sort of leads into the third thing you talked about which was about the choices we make. Without the ability to make choices, to do thing other than what would happen, we wouldn't really be alive and aware. We would only be machines. That I think is why free will is so important. That which reduces our free will takes away from what makes us alive and aware and that which expands our will allows us to grow.
RE: What Are You? - BrownEye - 01-28-2011
(01-28-2011, 01:40 PM)mikesc Wrote: So even in the absence of anything from which to build from we would at least imagine something, thought what that would be I can't say.
There seems to be no way to imagine anything without first experiencing something to base imagination on. Unless you are connecting to some sort of previous incarnative experience, there is nothing to imagine. Imagine=imaging.
If there is no experience, there is no dream state.
Pretty weird thought, but I have a better grip on what I as a vehicle exist for now. That is the key to my thought, the vehicle is the shell combined with the ego.
RE: What Are You? - mikesc - 01-29-2011
I think it is important to define what it means to create something. To me creating doesn't always mean putting pre-existing peices together. To me it can also mean creating peices from where there were none. I know, it is a weird concept but how else did anything get here and how can there ever be anything really new?
You talked about us being something that experiences life. I guess what I'm getting at here is that it seems to be a two way street. Not only do we experince but we also create. We quite literally come up with things that weren't there before. We create something out of nothing. In the case of humans I think that that is mostly new ideas, ways in which to relate to situations.
On a bit of a tangent, in thinking about the possiblity of having nothing from which to create something I am reminded of meditation. I've some across this idea that it is ulimately supposed to be about being perfectly aware yet not really thinking. To me I think that this is impossible. Even if we had nothing to start from, we will create something in the space over which we have influence. I see meditation as being willing and able to set aside those ideas with which we currently understand life so that new ones can fill in the space left behind. Not to advocate any particular practice but looking at mediation this was has really helped me understand where ideas, even the ideas that define myself come from. On the one hand I may collect them but I now understand that I can also create them.
We all have our own way of understanding what it mean to be a part of the creator or the creation process of life. For me the way in which I understand that is to acually see something new being born within my mind from time to time.
And since I'm going deep I might as well go all of the way. If we really have the ability to make choices then we are affecting the way in which our physical brains are operating. In some small way we are altering electro-chemical process through the use of our will. Using the creative for that is ours as a part of that from which all things come in order to do something other than what would have been done. Making a choice, being STO when the brain says be STS is using the abitility by which everything you see was originally set in motion. It would be the stuff of miracles except that it seems to be a perfectly normal, everyday part of reality.
RE: What Are You? - Confused - 02-25-2011
(01-26-2011, 07:59 PM)Eddie Wrote:(01-26-2011, 02:51 PM)Pickle Wrote:(01-26-2011, 02:15 PM)Eddie Wrote: We are the nerve endings of God.
That is kind of what I see as well. A lot of parallels. Kind of like bees bringing the correct pollen back to the hive ha ha
That also is a good analogy. Everything we experience, whether we, ourselves perceive the experience to be favorable or unfavorable, increases the wisdom and magnificence of Creation. We humans, generally, do not realize our own power; we do not realize just how much we can uplift the Universe, by choosing our own experiences, and our own reactions to our experiences, carefully and deliberately, as ways to express and experience unconditional love. That's really why we are here in this "struggle" in 3rd density.
Excellently said.
RE: What Are You? - Crown - 02-25-2011
(01-26-2011, 01:55 PM)Pickle Wrote: This is a thought experiment.
Imagine being born into a position of no sensory input.
No sight, sound, taste, touch, movement, nothing at all, like being in a sealed box and immobilized. No nerves being stimulated in any way.
Now, from that point, what can possibly go through your mind as a thought? If there is no sensory input of any sort, and you have no experience of anything at all, what do you think of? Do you even know that you exist?
I thought about this before. My guess is that this creature would somehow project light / love to its surroundings even without knowing that it has any. I mean, a Plant is not really aware of its existance is it? but it still fulfills its' role in life.
If a 3rd density being would be put under the circumstances you described, then i think that it wont be aware at all. It will be simply dead.
The sensors of a body are necsesary for a being to experience. WIthout them, the being is not experiencing anything at all therefore, its dead.
I dont know, thats how i feel and think.
RE: What Are You? - Confused - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 11:32 AM)Crown Wrote: The sensors of a body are necsesary for a being to experience.
May the following LOO quote can add to the above and to the original question -
Quote:15.9 Questioner: Can you tell me a little more about the word, “balancing,” as we are using it?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.
In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.
Many thanks.
RE: What Are You? - kycahi - 02-25-2011
Continuing, when we decide to do something we begin a new experience. So already we are adding to the One's collection. Even deciding NOT to do something is an experience. We're cranking them out by the thousands every day :exclamation: I, for one, am glad to do it, too.
I read an Edgar Cayce book years ago, I think the one by Jess Stearn, where the author (not Cayce, though probably indirectly) said that the single unit of accomplishment is a decision. This agrees with our thread here. We good!
RE: What Are You? - Ankh - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 05:15 PM)kycahi Wrote: Continuing, when we decide to do something we begin a new experience. So already we are adding to the One's collection. Even deciding NOT to do something is an experience.
Listen. Creator is talking.
Sounds like music in my ears.
All is well. There are no misstakes.
RE: What Are You? - BrownEye - 03-02-2011
Here is the science I came across after posting my experiment.
Quote:Brain, is the commander-in-chief of our body. The human body cannot function without the brain. Our body may remain alive with the heart being pumped artificially, but it won't be able to bat an eyelid, if the brain stops working. We are all born with a brain that is almost developed. There are many wires and connections within the brain that are connected and functional only during the infancy and toddler age. The brain development in children occurs due to the genes and the environment of the growing child. The inherited gift of the child makes the structure of the brain possible, but it is the healthy diet and external stimulation of the surroundings that gets the brain connected in the most efficient way.http://www.buzzle.com/articles/brain-development-in-children.html
Thus, not only the genetics and nourishment play a part in the development of the brain, but the daily interactions, physical activity, love and daily experiences help the brain development in early childhood. The brain develops with the help of the external factors of the surroundings. The five senses of vision, hearing, smell, taste and touch help in developing an unconnected brain structure. The child learns to recognize the faces of his family members, the voice of his father, the smell of his mothers skin, the taste of the milk he drinks and the gentle caressing of his grandmother. This helps the brain get wired up accordingly and have an impact on the basic architecture of his brain.
There are over 100,000,000,000 cells in the brain when a child is born. These cells need to start communicating with each other and during the miraculous changes, the brain follows the Darwinian theory of selection of the fittest. In other words, those synapses and connections that are seldom used by the child are deleted and those that are useful are developed further. Let us have a look at the various types of brain development in children.
So, the thought of being born with a brain sometimes "more" functional than an adult gives you an idea of why children and babies can see what we cannot.
RE: What Are You? - Ocean - 03-03-2011
maybe the veil thins for the poor baby. if it can't have any input from outside, its inside grows, it might have OBEs or remember its past life. i see no use of a life lived in thoughtlessness. how do you learn from that?