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2011 is full of surprises... - Deekun - 01-22-2011
As if life couldn't get more interesting on 2011, we now get this...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6220302/new_zodiac_signs_2011_shifted_by_ophiuchus.html?cat=9
Have any of you heard of this new Zodiac change? I for one welcome our new Zodiac overlord
By the new definitions the new sign I fall into actually matches me a whole lot better. Maybe this is why I never quite fit into my old sign.
Now imagine if we have even more shifting throughout the year, by 2012 maybe I'll be a Gemini hahaha.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - zenmaster - 01-22-2011
Gary Goldschneider's work seems to be fairly spot on, with the granularity of a single day.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - unity100 - 01-22-2011
however zodiac's real influence does not change with zodiac change. the cosmic influxes at the time of the birth effects the newborn, and hence it will always be as it is even if zodiac changes.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Peregrinus - 01-22-2011
Precession of the Earth has always happened, though modern astrology simply ignored it. Calling the zebra a lion does not make the zebra a lion. We are what we are regardless of labels.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Deekun - 01-23-2011
(01-22-2011, 10:21 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Precession of the Earth has always happened, though modern astrology simply ignored it. Calling the zebra a lion does not make the zebra a lion. We are what we are regardless of labels.
This may be the case for some, but for others, they plan their entire day, month, years according to their horoscope. I know one lady that will certainly not have a good reaction to this story once she gets wind of it. For some it is too much to handle when they have made a conscious decision to fit whatever profile Astrologers gave them as a base on how their personality should be.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Gribbons - 01-23-2011
It has not changed. My conspiracy theorist side of me says this was a social experiment to see how many people base their identities and schedules off of astrology. Kind of like Y2K. But it was probably just word of mouth that got mis-skewed and blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailyhoroscope.com/horoscope-headlines/ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign
I'm a Capricorn and I do believe our zodiacs do give a generally accurate portrayal of our character, but I do not believe in basing my decisions/attitudes on a daily horoscope.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Aaron - 01-23-2011
First of all, litllady went into this in her thread on astrology: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1509
Here's some snippets from the first post: "A couple thousand years ago...some men found it to be wise (convenient) to 'fix' the zodiac wheel....for the use of astrology.
This caused Astrology and Astronomy to no longer walk together side by side."
"There are many blunders of 'fixing' something that is forever changing. If the zodiac wheel always remained the same....we would never have a 'changing of ages'."
"I do warn though, it may not agree with the sign you were raised thinking you are. It may bring catalysts to you, showing you what you need to work on in your life."
She also mentions how Ophiuchus has been known about since the beginning, but omitted from "modern" astrology for convenience's sake.
Actually, you can use the program she mentioned, Stellarium, to discover which constellation the sun was in at your birth. It's often the sign right behind the one you've been told all your life. My theory is that you possess and use the traits of your true birth sign to move towards/utilize the traits of the sign you've been told you have. And your "next" life will be under the sign you moved towards in your "past" life (this one), and moving towards the next sign. So, having said that, let me say that I don't mean to belittle what you've shared here, Deekun. But I think the article you linked, in addition to being an opinion piece, seems to be a little shallow, manipulative, and deceitful, and even downright ignorant in some places.
Take the first sentences: "The new zodiac signs 2011 have shaken the axis of believers. With the new zodiac signs 2011, mankind has entered a new era that they haven't seen for thousands of years."
What does that even mean? There's no basis of truth in there. We're just building excitement for the reader I guess.
"Yet for those born between Nov. 29 and Dec. 17, they now have to be assigned a new label. Thanks to the moon and its gravitational pull, the new zodiac signs have uncovered the missing Ophiuchus symbol."
They HAVE to be assigned a new label? Says who? And this "new sign" was discovered because of the "gravitational pull of the moon"? Come on! That doesn't even make sense. Ophiuchus has always been known about. The moon excuse is like a parent trying to get their kid to believe in Santa Claus. It seems like the writer is trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the reader, who is generally uninformed about Astrology.
"In the last 3,000 years, it appears that the earth's constellation has changed around without our knowledge, and has shifted our symbols."
This is a mess to disentangle. What's "our" knowledge? Is it the knowledge of the "experts"? What's the earth's constellation and how can it change around? A constellation is a grouping of stars. Furthermore, how does that change "our" symbols?
"Those who took on the characteristics of one sign may now have to take on new ones. But at the least, the 12 old favorites have established features and traits to believe in. For Ophiuchus, readers are still scrambling to figure out what it means and what it says about them."
I'm not even going to comment on that... Or the rest of the article. Although I understand why this is said like it is, it's just kind of frustrating, I guess...
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Deekun - 01-23-2011
Wow,
Once again I remember why I can't just post something that is, if anything, just a little fun. I had no idea it would have such an impact on your Aaron. I didn't write the article by the way, I just linked it because I had not seen anyone else mention it. Guess I missed it.
Breathe in.. calm down
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Aaron - 01-23-2011
(01-23-2011, 05:33 AM)Deekun Wrote: Wow,
Once again I remember why I can't just post something that is, if anything, just a little fun. I had no idea it would have such an impact on your Aaron. I didn't write the article by the way, I just linked it because I had not seen anyone else mention it. Guess I missed it.
Breathe in.. calm down
Oh I know you didn't write it, Deekun! Please don't let my overreaction limit what you choose to share in the future. I just felt like I needed to react that way because the article's blatant "let me tell you what to think" tone struck a nerve with me. That kind of attempted mind control on those who are ignorant really frustrates me. And I was surprised to see something like that here at bring4th.
I really just should have pointed out that it had been mentioned here before, and nothing else. I'm sorry.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Deekun - 01-23-2011
Hehe, no biggie man
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Meerie - 01-24-2011
Here is what classical astrologuers say on the subject:
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_ophiuchus_e.htm
it explains also why the actual star constellations in the sky are astrologically irrelevant.
Imo the 12 signs of the zodiac are more to be seen like archetypes, just like in Tarot. I have been working with astrology for quite some time now and it has served me well to explain things in my character or also strange coincidental occurrences, when looking at transits at the time certain things were happening.
It just depends on how you use it. you can get fixated on it and never leave the house without consulting your stars, or you just use it to learn more about yourself.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Brittany - 01-24-2011
They act like all this was just discovered. The only reason the zodiac was ever shortened to 12 signs was for convenience...the 13th sign was just sort of pushed out of the way. Still, the knowledge of the 13th sign has been around for ages...most people just tend to ignore it because they identify so strongly with their current sign. I used to frequently argue with a man who absolutely refused to believe I was a Leo, even though there is scientific proof that I was born under the sign of Leo. He adamantly insisted on the Gregorian format, even though it is outdated, just because it challenged his current beliefs. I wonder how long it will take everyone to accept that these little categories they have been using to judge people aren't even accurate.
RE: 2011 is full of surprises... - Fallen Destiny - 01-27-2011
Actually the signs didn't change at all. The Astrologers knew about the shift. I don't feel like citing my sources right now but basically the signs weren't built around the way the stars look from earth. There is an Indian form of astronomy that does adjust their signs based on the current tilt. But the west has always followed this form which is based on where the stars are.. in our galaxy based on their own axis. Something like that. I'm gonna go eat and perhaps I will come back to explain all of this with sources.