Quote:3. UFOs
UFOS FROM THE CONFEDERATION Ra:The crafts you call UFOs have not been used by us in your present space/time memory complex.

(B1,94) DO ANY OF THE CONFEDERATION MEMBERS COME HERE IN SPACE CRAFT? RA:We must state that this information is unimportant. If you will understand this, the information may be offered.Each planetary entity wishing to appear within your 3rd dimension of space/time distortion must request permission to break quarantine, as you would call it. At present there are 7 which are operating with craft in your density.Their purpose is very simple: to allow those entities of your planet to become aware of infinity which is often best expressed to the uninformed as the mysterious unknown. (B1,95)Any request is laid before the Council of Saturn.

Quote:Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

Questioner: Could you describe the robot?

Ra: I am Ra. The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.

Quote:53.14 Questioner: Well, are those who are taken on both Confederation and Orion craft then experiencing a seeming physical examination?

Ra: I am Ra. Your query indicates incorrect thinking. The Orion group uses the physical examination as a means of terrifying the individual and causing it to feel the feelings of an advanced second-density being such as a laboratory animal. The sexual experiences of some are a sub-type of this experience. The intent is to demonstrate the control of the Orion entities over the Terran inhabitant.

The thought-form experiences are subjective and, for the most part, do not occur in this density.

Quote:53.14 Questioner: Well, are those who are taken on both Confederation and Orion craft then experiencing a seeming physical examination?

Ra: I am Ra. Your query indicates incorrect thinking. The Orion group uses the physical examination as a means of terrifying the individual and causing it to feel the feelings of an advanced second-density being such as a laboratory animal. The sexual experiences of some are a sub-type of this experience. The intent is to demonstrate the control of the Orion entities over the Terran inhabitant.

(12-25-2010, 03:00 PM)Focus123 Wrote: Yeah, I read that. However that does not jive with the research of Mack,Fowler,Hopkins and Jacobs. Though they disagree on the intent of interaction- they all come to the conclusion that:

1) There is a wide spread Alien hybrid experiment going on- mixing human and alien DNA

2) That it is world wide.

3) That it has been going on for centuries possible longer.

Quote:says who ? source ? zetatalk.com ?

(12-25-2010, 07:07 PM)Focus123 Wrote:

Quote:says who ? source ? zetatalk.com ?

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/johnmack.htm


http://www.crowdedskies.com/ray_fowler_zone.htm


http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/BuddHopkins.htm


http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/DavidJacobs.htm

(12-26-2010, 02:58 AM)unity100 Wrote: had such a significant event had happened, it would be present in Ra material. that kind of subject was queried in detail and responded. that is why we know about yahweh and their genetic interventions on the planet.

Quote:24.14 Questioner: Another question with that is: was there a crashed spaceship with small bodies now stored in our military installations?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to infringe upon your future. Gave we you this information, we might be giving you more than you could appropriately deal with in the space/time nexus of your present somewhat muddled configuration of military and intelligence thought. Therefore, we shall withhold this information.

Quote:7.15 Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

(12-26-2010, 06:04 PM)jivatman Wrote: It is possible they also do real genetic experimentation in the physical plane, though again, those likely those subject to it are probably already somewhat negative, and in this case especially, may even have may pre-incarnative decisions to be involved in it.

Quote:53.16 Questioner: Well, we have a large spectrum of entities on Earth with respect to harvestability, both positively oriented and negatively oriented. Would the Orion group target in on the ends of this spectrum, both positively and negatively oriented, for contact with Earth entities?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is somewhat difficult to accurately answer. However, we shall attempt to do so.

The most typical approach of Orion entities is to choose what you might call the weaker-minded entity that it might suggest a greater amount of Orion philosophy to be disseminated.

Some few Orion entities are called by more highly polarized negative entities of your space/time nexus. In this case they share information just as we are now doing. However, this is a risk for the Orion entities due to the frequency with which the harvestable negative planetary entities then attempt to bid and order the Orion contact just as these entities bid planetary negative contacts. The resulting struggle for mastery, if lost, is damaging to the polarity of the Orion group.

Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to de-polarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

Quote:12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in an alternating way, first one, then the other, and then back to the first again?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented toward service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

(12-26-2010, 08:48 PM)jivatman Wrote: Basically, STS races will not intentionally contact highly positive entities because it will depolarize them

Quote:53.16 Questioner: Well, we have a large spectrum of entities on Earth with respect to harvestability, both positively oriented and negatively oriented. Would the Orion group target in on the ends of this spectrum, both positively and negatively oriented, for contact with Earth entities?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is somewhat difficult to accurately answer. However, we shall attempt to do so.

The most typical approach of Orion entities is to choose what you might call the weaker-minded entity that it might suggest a greater amount of Orion philosophy to be disseminated.

Some few Orion entities are called by more highly polarized negative entities of your space/time nexus. In this case they share information just as we are now doing. However, this is a risk for the Orion entities due to the frequency with which the harvestable negative planetary entities then attempt to bid and order the Orion contact just as these entities bid planetary negative contacts. The resulting struggle for mastery, if lost, is damaging to the polarity of the Orion group.

Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to de-polarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

(12-27-2010, 03:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: are you people taking into account the fact that service to self lie, and all this 'greys and dna and manipulation' business could be another lie to propagate various thought patterns ?

Quote:Of course. Are you taking into account that their may exist an underlying allegorical interpretation to the contact, that is somewhat ineffable?
More fundamentally, do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.

(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Of course. Are you taking into account that their may exist an underlying allegorical interpretation to the contact, that is somewhat ineffable?
More fundamentally, do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.

(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: More fundamentally, do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.

(12-27-2010, 11:11 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:

(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: More fundamentally, do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.

Hear hear! And it's important that we keep this in mind. Reasoning and thinking about the motivations of higher level beings is an exercise in futility as far as I am concerned. You're not going to figure them out. You might have a really good feeling about your theory but it will break the first time you encounter a truly higher density entity..

We just don't get them. We're by definition incapable.

Quote:Sharing an opinion unity...
Are you sending me away?

(12-27-2010, 12:02 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Sharing an opinion unity...
Are you sending me away?

(12-27-2010, 12:46 PM)Aaron Wrote: Ali, I believe that unity meant "what are you doing here in third density" or planet earth or what have you. However, I think that it's a great time to ask for clarification, rather than become defensive...

(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: There's a lot of attempts here lately to use logic and reason to define how those higher density entities function, what motivates them what they are like where they are from. Basically it's the same age old fallacy of redefining God in man's image... It doesn't work for God it also doesn't work even for a 4th density entity.

(12-26-2010, 01:34 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Though I cannot and will not substantiate or qualify the following... There is one well known channelled entity called Bashar that says that the greys were a dying race of physical vehicle (in the future, from this timeline perspective), and as such, it uses a mind/body/spirit complex hybrid of greys/humans. Bashar explains the way this was achieved was through collection of human DNA via abductions, by greys.

(12-26-2010, 06:04 PM)jivatman Wrote: This is of course, a subject which we choose not to focus on, for if we did so, we would be no different from the majority of conspiratorial and fear-based STS material that exists around the internet.

To do understand the Law of One is to be invulnerable to all evil. The service to self path is based upon a lack, the lack of using the heart chakra. Positive adepts, having the full use of all chakras, can thus, with less effort, attain levels of power that the negatives cannot reach. Everyone already has a higher self which exists at that level and can be contacted or invoked to ward off any evil.

In unity there exists all, including evil, for all things are part of the creator. To realize this is to be invulnerable to evil.

That said, I will treat the subject at hand:

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The first quote I stated does not discount the fact that such things such as genetic experimenting may occur.

In fact, since there a large number of sources which say something along the lines of what peregrinus has said:

The Greys are a dying race. Their genetics are basically beginning to fail, not having enough diversity.

They have a tendency to view the body in the same way that the modern scientific establishment does, though in the far more extreme.

That is that the body is a machine and needs to be fixed like a car or computer, simply needing, in this case, new genes.

However, their attempts have, and will continue to, fail.

The nature of DNA is that of upwardly spiraling striving toward the creator, for DNA, and the body, is basically spiritual in nature.

My next point, I believe is supported though deductions made from the LOO material:

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Those upon the STS path face the difficulty of spiritual entropy, the eventual disintegration of the power they collect.

They face this problem on the level of social-memory-complex and mind/body/complex, as listed in the second quote.

DNA being energetic or spiritual, it is continually disintegrating in the Greys.

I still stand by my first post, the basic purpose of STS contact is to spread STS philosophy.

(12-26-2010, 06:04 PM)jivatman Wrote: And based on other places from the Ra material, those who likely to have an abduction experience would already be of a somewhat negative nature,