Quote:Do you want to know why I created this Online Platform? Here is the honest truth.

I’ll let you in on a little secret I haven't shared with anyone before. For the past two years I was working with a sales/marketing team who I signed a 2-year contract with to help me create my first course, “Class Title”. I love the team I worked with and learned so much from them. However, the sales format was just not my cup of tea. But because I signed a contract, I had to uphold my end of the deal, which was to sell and market my courses the way they determined.

This gave me the time and space to feel into what does feel authentic for me. While I have hundreds of free videos on YouTube, my courses allow me to go in-depth with people through 1-on-1 work and hands on training. It is my greatest passion. But I still long to help more people, and although high price points create incredible levels of motivation and discipline in people, it can often be a barrier to entry for others who don’t believe they can afford it.

I don’t have anything “against” selling spiritual courses for high price points necessarily. Everyone else in this space does it, and it is a very effective way to help people have breakthroughs. There is a reason people have life-altering experiences at Tony Robbins events. When someone is willing to put down a few thousand dollars because they want freedom more than the money they are paying, they are making a powerful statement of faith to the universe and to their own subconscious mind. And that is exactly what I witnessed in my masterclass for the last two years. After having about 250 graduates who completed all 8 modules, every single person without exception has left a raving review of “Class Title”, and how it transformed their state of consciousness.

On the other hand, I have given my course out for free to about 10 people over those two years who were either close friends, or people who expressed a heartfelt desire and calling to be in the course, but didn’t feel they could afford it. Out of those 10 people, not a single one of them ever made it past the 2nd module.

Seriously. 10/10 quit after module 1, while 250 others who bought the course left emotional, sometimes teary-eyed testimonial reviews about it. Imagine pouring your heart and soul every day for 6 months into creating a comprehensive program to help people get free, giving it away to people who express they are in need of it, and then have them not even bother to take it.

Why does this happen, you ask? Because it cost them nothing, so they didn’t perceive any value in it.

Discipline is the natural result of seeing where true value lies. The mind only takes seriously what it perceives value in. So it has become a clear fact to me that when people invest in their spiritual growth, whether a retreat, a book or a course, they always reap the rewards (at least in every instance I have witnessed). And those who do not invest tend not to get what they didn’t pay for.

With that being said, I have felt that it doesn’t necessarily require thousands of dollars to get people to take your course seriously. I feel it can be done for just a few hundred. While there is no lack in this infinite Universe, if someone “believes” something is more affordable, they may take the leap of faith to do it which they wouldn’t have at a higher price point. I want to get as many people in the door as possible, because I want to impact as many people as possible. I dream of creating a virtual resource with every tool and teaching available to help spiritual seekers attain the goal of Enlightenment. An online spiritual academy specifically dedicated to teaching and facilitating the expansion of consciousness. I want to help humanity reach the 4th Density.

But before I could realize that dream, I had to wait until I had fulfilled my previous contract. So I got to work over the last year and a half creating multiple new courses, saving up for a private membership platform, building a smartphone app, and everything else it takes to pull this dream off. And with great joy and gratitude I can finally say that in almost 1 week, that dream will become Reality.

Because you are amongst the first to join me in manifesting this Reality, I am going to be giving you a 10% discount off every month of your Online Platform membership as a token of gratitude when you enroll between July 1st-July 10th. I can’t thank you enough for joining me in this mission to assist humanity in reaching the 4th Density. Together as One, we will bring Heaven to Earth.

(06-23-2022, 01:30 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Maybe I am too idealistic, too hopeful, too naive? I just do not understand what is happening out there and I’d love to hear some thoughts.

(06-23-2022, 02:34 PM)Quincunx Wrote: I learned my lesson a different way. I saw others having fun playing games on their smartphones so I upgraded my ordinary flip phone that didn’t have the bells and whistles. I was introduced to app stores where I found various games that would keep me busy for hours. There was this one game called ‘Asphalt 8’. It didn’t take long until I found myself spending money to upgrade features. 3 years had passed and I had spent a little over $1,000 US. I got frustrated with all the advertisements always playing even though they offered free digital money in exchange for watching. I was introduced to the Ra Material in 2017. My addiction persisted beyond words of wisdom. It was about a year and a half later after continuously reading about spiritual content that I decided to delete every game on my smartphone. I deleted all my social media. I unsubscribed from various Youtube channels that came across as a money grab. I was reduced to less than what I was.

or so I thought...

It took a few days to balance my sleeping schedule. It took longer to keep resisting the urge to play one more game or see something new on twitter. I decided to redirect my attention to reading about spiritual content. I didn't do all this alone. My dreams became more vivid and I was able to remember them more often. I took a closer look to what was being communicated. I can't say they have all the answers nor do I. After relaxing my mind and staying away from things that create frustration I am able to focus on things that bring meaning into my life. What I like the most about Bring4th is the free exchange of knowledge and experiences. Some people want to bombard themselves with useless information or pay to think they are getting ahead of something. I say let them. Maybe one day we will see them on websites such as Bring4th sharing stories of how naive they were.

(06-23-2022, 03:05 PM)tadeus Wrote: New-Age is attractive because people don't need to work on the self or a lifeplan.
Just be positive - manifest positive - everything else is not relevant.
You have not to care, to learn, to think, to work, to decide.
You have not to fight with doubts, your own self or history, a complex worldview.
Everythink is focussed on the thoughts of the self and not really on the relation to others or surroundings, so it is a nice step to STS.

The dogma is: When something is bad it is your own fault, because you have manifested it.
So be as positive and passive as possible - the perfect friendly clod of loam that will be no problem to anyone, specially the matrix.

Quote:Q’uo
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We would thank you for your comments upon our attempts to serve the population of planet Earth. It is, of course, music to our ears to feel that love that you have for us and we thank you, my brother.

Yet it is also worthy to note in this regard that it does not eliminate our questions and concerns as to what that line is between witnessing to our own truth and being persuaders. For we would not be persuaders. We do not wish to pull or push people or do anything except offer hopefully helpful information. At the same time it is obvious from the nature of our information that we are biased towards the positive polarity and that we do rejoice when entities awaken.

The philosophical aspects of our work have never been entirely clear because, as we said at the beginning, the only way that we can be of utterly positive polarity is to cease attempting in any way to influence the entities whom we love so dearly and are calling to us.

Now, to respond to your query on the nature of the call. When one of your human babies awakens in the night and discovers that it is hungry, wet and alone, it cries. It calls out in the only way it knows for help. Blessedly, in almost every case, the parents come and minister to that child, feeding it, drying it, getting a new, dry diaper on it, and cuddling it until it naturally goes back to sleep, content, knowing that it is loved and that all of its needs are met.

Each of you is, spiritually speaking, an infant. And you are crying in the night. You are crying for spiritual food. You are crying to be cleansed of the grime of confusion, sorrow and suffering. And you are crying because you are alone and you do not feel loved.

As entities move through the third density, they begin to become able to address their own needs. As they awaken and become spiritual toddlers, or spiritual preschoolers, they begin to choose to feed themselves heavenly food, to cleanse themselves from spiritually degrading ideas and concepts, and to win through to the knowledge that they are not alone. Because of the intense confusion among your peoples throughout your third-density experience, for the most part entities have not matured beyond the crib. They cry out in the darkness and our hearts go out to them.

There is a great desire on our parts to reach out the hand to steady that baby, to feed that baby, to give that sweet infant soul a new start, a clean diaper, a bellyful of love, and a good rock in the cradle.

We hope that we have become more mature as those who offer help, as we have experimented with ways to answer that call. And we can certainly say that those of planet Earth have begun to become more mature, as it should be. Many are those who have moved from the cradle to preschool, to grade school, to middle school, and finally are ready to graduate third density on time, mature at last, knowing that the food of love is the food for them; knowing that they wish to turn from anything that is not truly love and light; knowing that they are not alone. For as they love, so have they been loved a hundredfold, a thousandfold, overwhelmingly.

The hard part for entities is that first waking up. And it is this effort to which we have come in response. Our love remains unblemished. How far we have fallen short of perfection in our dealings with your planetary population is unknown to us, but we are sure that there are many, many mistakes that we have made for which we humbly ask your forgiveness.

(06-23-2022, 03:19 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I am concerned about the spiritual movement because I came here to help with it. I can feel the pain people are feeling, I can physically see it manifesting itself everywhere I go. I talk to people all the time in my neighborhood who are not sleeping, who are suffering from debilitating physical health problems, who are concerned about mental health issues and have endless money troubles. We are here as system busters during the harvest, as the old system needs to change in order to make room for fourth density life. People have free will, but they are also gullible and being unfairly misled by people preying on them when they are the most vulnerable. You can say, oh whatever, let them screw themselves over and learn from it. But that is not how it's going to go, because I can feel the energy of this planet right now and it is struggling. I do no think people are just going to "learn a lesson" and move on. I think it could potentially break their spirit, make spirituality and growth of consciousness feel like just another manipulation in a world already plagued with enough forms of unconscious slavery that it "beggars our ability to enumerate them." I'm sure your remember that quote from the ever-so-wise Ra. 

Right now, what people need, is a break. They need love. They need honesty. They do not need to be further manipulated, even by sources that on the outside seem like they have their student's best interest at heart, when really they are just looking out for themselves and their own well being. How can we live the Law of One if we do not see all as One? 

(06-23-2022, 03:42 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I have actually heard several of these people use that exact phrase, recently even, in their latest YouTube videos, "When something is bad it is your own fault, because you have manifested it." The video said, if you were not receiving love in the world, it was because you were not giving it out. I was like, wait, what? That is definitely not always the case, and over generalizing about that sort of thing seems dangerous. Doesn't that seem like a recipe for disaster for a vulnerable person who is still in the stages of finding forgiveness for themselves, thinking that they are doing something wrong because of how others are handling their catalysts? 

"Just be happy, you do not need to heal any of your trauma. Don't like something? It's not your problem, just feel the bliss of being and enjoy what makes you happy."

There is a real pattern on this planet of just making things another's issue to "solve" instead of looking at the issue straight on in order to heal it. No one wants to step up and take responsibility, claiming "oh it's their free will." This channeling session comes to mind when I think of this:

Quote:Q’uo

As entities move through the third density, they begin to become able to address their own needs. As they awaken and become spiritual toddlers, or spiritual preschoolers, they begin to choose to feed themselves heavenly food, to cleanse themselves from spiritually degrading ideas and concepts, and to win through to the knowledge that they are not alone. Because of the intense confusion among your peoples throughout your third-density experience, for the most part entities have not matured beyond the crib. They cry out in the darkness and our hearts go out to them.

There is a great desire on our parts to reach out the hand to steady that baby, to feed that baby, to give that sweet infant soul a new start, a clean diaper, a bellyful of love, and a good rock in the cradle.

We hope that we have become more mature as those who offer help, as we have experimented with ways to answer that call. And we can certainly say that those of planet Earth have begun to become more mature, as it should be. Many are those who have moved from the cradle to preschool, to grade school, to middle school, and finally are ready to graduate third density on time, mature at last, knowing that the food of love is the food for them; knowing that they wish to turn from anything that is not truly love and light; knowing that they are not alone. For as they love, so have they been loved a hundredfold, a thousandfold, overwhelmingly.

The hard part for entities is that first waking up. And it is this effort to which we have come in response. Our love remains unblemished. How far we have fallen short of perfection in our dealings with your planetary population is unknown to us, but we are sure that there are many, many mistakes that we have made for which we humbly ask your forgiveness.

(06-24-2022, 03:39 AM)tadeus Wrote: New Age is a trap to lure seeking people into a spiritual dead end with the aim to neutralize them.

This is achieved in an ingenious way, because this Dead End is offered in very many different flavors, involving every form of perceptiveness and individual interests.
The people were programmed to assimilate knowledge (in military style) only since beginning of the school and not to acquire it themselves, and the natural laziness of the people is exploited additionally.
Some poeple don't read any text any more, they need talking heads in videos - this can be seen as a final state in learning.

Maybe New-Age is a better way for some individuals then nothing to graduate to the next density, but the society and humanity as a whole will continue to be effectively impeded in their spiritual progress.

(06-24-2022, 01:14 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: This person has gotten lost in the Matrix, which is ironic as it is their self-proclaimed favourite movie. The universe is full of irony like that, as I feel our true selves have a good sense of humour at times, but it’s too bad most are too asleep to appreciate the details we put into our lives like that, but that is a whole other topic to cover at a later date. 

(06-24-2022, 01:14 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: This is where I feel the balance of love and wisdom really comes in to play. Is it loving to scam people into buying your classes when you know they can learn all they need to know at their own pace, in an organic way, without someone telling them how?

Even if it does help some people who may be have difficulties finding direction, eventually those people will realize that this self-proclaimed guru no longer has anything real or useful to say, and will intuitively move on. But, I feel like the ones who are fragile and in a new place of seeking need to be handled with care until they are strong enough to know the difference between useful and unhelpful information, what is expansion vs what is constricting.

(06-24-2022, 01:14 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: The ultimate goal is not to be happy at the expense of everything else. That is not loving either, unless you are going the service to self route. I feel like teaching people spiritual principles, even if those principles are healing and genuinely therapeutic, are not going to gain any positive polarity if their motives are not pure. Fame, power, and enough money to have a fancy lifestyle should not be your motivation for helping. I feel like all the work you do helping would be cancelled out by the egoic intentions behind those actions.

What can even be done in these situations? Do we sit there and watch more peoples energies get sucked dry until they are too tired to care anymore, or is there a way to actually help this situation become something better? Or is it too late? These people seem like an invasive species, this new age movement, and its slowly taking over everything and smothering the life from it. This is not how people were meant to evolve, staring at TV screens with some guy telling them how to change. It was through life we are going to have our most awakening and growth, by learning to live through our own hearts.

(06-25-2022, 03:42 AM)tadeus Wrote: The tragic thing is that such people are convinced to have escaped from the matrix, but it is only a transformation from one matrix into another.

(06-25-2022, 03:42 AM)tadeus Wrote: Again i must think at the story of Siddhartha: A Poem of India by Hermann Hesse - it is describing this situation in a nice way.

"To know the difference between useful and unhelpful information" is hard work of learning and processing of all the informations.
But that's what the people not want - they want a teacher that is prompting the result, while they are sitting there and drinking a cup of coffee in a group.
Just following the programmed pattern of school - but the main things have to be digged out individually in hard work.

So it was a smart move to drive people out of self-taught learning.

(06-25-2022, 03:42 AM)tadeus Wrote: I could observe several times that people tried to teach selflessly, but at some point they always got frustrated by the lazy people who just sit there laughing and drinking coffee and want just to be entertained, but telling they want to learn something.
Attend this week your seminar and the next week another with maybe the opposite content, telling that you have spoken nonsense without any thought on the content.

So it is not surprising that at some point a teacher will give up and will concentrate on the livelihood and the business.

The staged New-Age-movement is simply a briliant plan and is just a continuation of the preparatory programming before it.

(06-23-2022, 01:30 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: The reason why I ask this, is that I have noticed a huge influx of people hopping on the “new age” train, and every single one of them is putting their content behind some sort of a paywall

(06-25-2022, 11:29 AM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: This is troublesome to me. I feel like we are at a transitional place where it is almost impossible for anyone to discern what is useful or helpful information from a strictly logical perspective. Everyone’s journey is so personal, that I believe only through the heart and looking inward, is the only way you can truly understand what you need to know, and what is true. And even then, it’s a matter of faith in trusting what your heart is telling you. People need to connect to their hearts, as your heart always knows what is good information and what is not. If you can learn to develop the skills of listening to your heart and using your logical mind to balance those thoughts in a more grounded way, it should be easier to find out what you need to find. But people are being flooded with information and are disconnected to their hearts in a way that makes it impossible for them to use that discernment in order to spiritually evolve. There is no way for them to sort it out with their minds, as all their minds want to do is collect endless information until that information starts to serious contradict itself in a very noticeable way, thus making the whole process even more confusing.

(06-25-2022, 11:29 AM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Smart move on who’s behalf?

Are they truly absorbing the information and integrating it into their lives?

Is anyone teaching others on how that looks from a feminine/feeling perspective?

(06-25-2022, 11:29 AM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Then I noticed their very few personal stories are repetitive, like they had one experience that drew them in to be a teacher, yet have no new stories to offer in 5 years?

Seeing a wanderer who teaches spirituality for a living, getting that lost in the Matrix is a little terrifying, especially considering he should know better, but the world we have put ourselves in is a very dangerous one. It is impossible to tell what people’s motivations are sometimes.

(06-25-2022, 12:15 PM)tadeus Wrote: But it is possible not to drown in informations. This is only a phase in the learning and awekening.
From my experience it is like a big crystal with man facets.
You must learn a lot to get a minimum of facets of knowledge and perspectives - in this process you are feeling drowning in informations.
But after a certain point it is easier and easier to differ what is right, what is wrong, what fits together, what makes no sense.
After this phase and training you need quite less time to distinguish and sort out informations that are wrong or unusable.
At this point it is fun to learn und you are curious to get more facets of knowledge and angles of view.

(06-25-2022, 12:15 PM)tadeus Wrote: It is a smart move of the system / deep state.

I would say only less then 10% are really absorbing and integrating new knowledge into their lives.

It's a good question of the feminine/feeling perspective.
In fact there are mostly masculine teachers/guru's out there.

(06-25-2022, 12:15 PM)tadeus Wrote: With the knowledge that most of the people want more entertainment then learning, why should a teacher bring new stories?
There are mostly coming new people who want's this sort of entertainment. At least it is always the same what people don't know or don't want to accept.

The motivations are different, but often it is the boosting of the Ego, the need to be in the spotlight.

The situation is very complex. At least there are two big emphases needed, to learn to understand the matrix and to evolve spirituality.

(06-25-2022, 09:01 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I would have to politely disagree on aspects of this one. I do believe it is possible to drown in information, because I have witnessed it happening to so many people.

1) blindly accepting everything the person is telling them without question and with blind devotion, which in turn creates a cult-like following for this person,
2) have no idea what is going on and are very lost on the concepts, ask questions about it and get no response from the channel creator, or
3) completely think it’s rubbish and are not afraid to say so, without any openness to know more beyond their own perceived beliefs.

Only a very small majority of the people question what the teacher is saying, because they feel the knowledge being shared is not accurate, confusing, hypocritical, or just nonsensical.

All I have to do is read a book for a little and instantly know whether or not I want to continue with it. I know this is not a skill everyone has developed yet, but I know it can be done with some practice.

(06-25-2022, 09:01 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I believe it’s because the masculine approach to learning is the slow approach, it takes a dedication and commitment that most people cannot or will not make time for. The feminine way is way more intense, by burning the shadows right out of you, but it requires a certain level of faith, and understanding of what that process may look like, and some people are not emotionally ready for that sort of intensity.
But if you were to balance that intensity of the feminine healing with the learning of the masculine, I guarantee more than 10% of people would be able to integrate that into their lives more successfully. I mean that is what the sixth density is all about, balancing love and wisdom. I know that this is the third density, but sixth density learning is just a further refinement of what we start learning in the lower densities, so why not start now?

(06-25-2022, 09:01 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Once again, failing to share personal stories means they either do not have any to share, or they are completely shut off the concept of any feminine healing approaches and do not even know how to relate what they are experiencing to their own lives, or they just do not want to, which is very strange.
From studying the comments on videos for months, I have noticed that people want to know personal stories from the people who are sharing this information, because it is through those stories that they can relate to that person and see how these teachings are affecting their own lives. This can be the greatest motivation for those who do not know what these practices look like in day to day life.

We are shifting into fourth density, which is when group learning becomes the dominant way to learn, as well as the forming of a social memory complex, which can only be created when people desire to share everyone with one another to the point where they are completely honest and transparent with one another about all aspects of their lives.
I’m not saying these teachers need to do that, but why would they not want to? Ego, money, and blaming it on “how society has always been” are just excuses that people do not want to get around because of the effort they will require to get over.

(06-23-2022, 03:19 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Right now, what people need, is a break. They need love. They need honesty. They do not need to be further manipulated, even by sources that on the outside seem like they have their student's best interest at heart, when really they are just looking out for themselves and their own well being. How can we live the Law of One if we do not see all as One?

(06-26-2022, 07:44 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Notwithstanding the seeming rhetorical question:

Maybe what people need is actual practice, and not more theories.

To disregard the gimmicks and to work on yourself has more value than a course price tag or anything commercial related to it, regardless the oftentimes done rationalizations about it.

(06-26-2022, 07:44 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

(06-23-2022, 03:19 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Right now, what people need, is a break. They need love. They need honesty. They do not need to be further manipulated, even by sources that on the outside seem like they have their student's best interest at heart, when really they are just looking out for themselves and their own well being. How can we live the Law of One if we do not see all as One?

Notwithstanding the seeming rhetorical question:

Maybe what people need is actual practice, and not more theories.

To disregard the gimmicks and to work on yourself has more value than a course price tag or anything commercial related to it, regardless the oftentimes done rationalizations about it.

(06-26-2022, 09:52 AM)kilaya Wrote: Nice thread! So many interesting points that are certainly complex but important to wade through. My own thoughts on the issue go back to the teachings of the Buddha and Socrates: any degree of greed, lust, or anger in a "teacher," no matter how well-meaning he or she is, creates a difficulty in that person's ability to think through what they're doing and whether it's truly effective for the betterment of themselves or others. There are way too many examples of very elevated "teachers" in recent and distant history whose hidden inner anger, lust or greed led them to act in unbeneficial, unloving ways, which they were the last to acknowledge as so. In all cases they all harmed themselves most, in choosing to save others publicly before they had full control of their more negative thoughts and tendencies.

This is very very difficult to assess in a spiritual teacher without spending a lot of time closely observing them. Mostly because they're usually quite charming and totally convinced of their selfless, purely positive motives to help others. When I was searching for genuine teachers I would get turned off quickly by being sold things or charged more than modest and practical fees for teachings/seminars, etc. Ironically, Socrates criticized the most famous spiritual teachers of his day for charging for their service. In Plato's Protagoras, the famous teacher Protagoras gives a lengthy explanation of why he is justified charging large sums of money to become his student. This was in 500BC Greece! Socrates wasn't having any of it. He said that if Protagoras was actually capable of making people into better people in the way he claimed he wouldn't need to charge any money because his students would voluntarily give him money after becoming better people because of him. This makes a lot of sense to me.

(06-26-2022, 08:43 AM)zedro Wrote: This is why I'm always surprised that people don't understand shadow work and dismiss it as negative navel gazing, instead of regarding it as the most important healing tool one has access to. Superficial healing through false positivity will eventually cause a crash and burn.

(06-26-2022, 03:51 AM)tadeus Wrote: In the first sentence, are you referring only to spiritual learning, or to learning in general?

Indeed "group learning becomes the dominant way to learn, as well as the forming of a social memory complex" is very important, as well to escape the matrix. But this needs a complete new way of learning.
The complete world is teaching in the "military class style" where you have to sit still, you have to speak only when you are allowed to speak and to share knowledge, everything takes place in a rigid time grid and everything you do is somehow rated.
In the (wedic) books of Anastasia is described a complete other way of "school" and learning.

(06-26-2022, 07:12 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote:

(06-26-2022, 08:43 AM)zedro Wrote: This is why I'm always surprised that people don't understand shadow work and dismiss it as negative navel gazing, instead of regarding it as the most important healing tool one has access to. Superficial healing through false positivity will eventually cause a crash and burn.

Yes that is exactly what I am trying to say through encouraging the sharing of experiences. How does one know what it looks like in order to use these practices in real life? Maybe they don’t share stories because they don’t have any? Either or, they are giving a bunch of spiritual toddlers tools and allowing them to run around with them on the playground without supervision, which is a very dangerous practice to encourage. 

Shadow work indeed. You cannot learn your way into healing or enlightenment. You cannot go, “well all is one, we are all the Creator, so I’m going to focus on my bliss at the expense of all other feelings, including the ones I need to heal within myself.” Never a good idea, as they will always come back, and with more and more intensity.

(06-26-2022, 08:30 PM)zedro Wrote: Two thoughts come to mind. First, the complexity and nuance of spiritual experience can be very difficult to share or communicate, I find myself sometimes unable to summarize my experiences in a truly complete and thought out way, or at least in a way that would would tangible or teachable. But this goes into the 2nd thought, it is difficult to do so when one is still engaged in their own seeking/learning, and if one tries to pivot too hard into being the teacher, it may impede their own seeking as they start to look outward. Perhaps this is what you are observing.

Third thought from the above: perhaps calling them teachers or gurus is not accurate or appropriate, as I believe the main spiritual driver at this juncture is to be a messenger for awakening, and perhaps give a little orientation material and send people on their way. In other words, why put so much stock in these 'teachers'? They have probably already fulfilled their role with you awhile ago, although there is always more to learn from the meta-analysis you are pursuing now. And if the bother is worrying how they can mislead others, well that is part of everyone's path, to learn discernment.

(06-26-2022, 07:05 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: If you are not willing to look at yourself with 100% honestly, then how can you ethically expect your students to do the same?
There are so many corrupt spiritual teachers who become cult leaders and this is why I think it’s absolutely imperative to be completely transparent in your teachings. 


This is why I think it was tasteless… I posted a reference to it in the comments on that particular video and it “mysteriously” got deleted. The Death of Don Elkins .
How does one get so detached from their own teachings?

(06-26-2022, 07:23 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I think all spiritual learning is easier when it is done with other-selves. If you wanted to learn all by yourself, you’d go the service to self route wouldn’t you? The service to self polarity spends the majority of the fifth density alone, and that is a very long time to be learning on your own. Fourth density positive is all about coming together for form a social memory complex. I’ve seen what isolation does to people in third density, as they have no one to ever challenge their opinions or to keep them grounded, as they tend to fly off the deep end on their ideas when they have no practical way to see them in a larger perspective, or have anyone to ever challenge their point of view, or offer a different one.

(06-26-2022, 07:23 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Are you talking about The Ringing Cedars of Russia series by Vladimir Megre? Those books found me about 7 years ago at a thrift store and changed deeply my perspective on teaching. The Vedic culture that Anastasia is a part of is very much in alignment with a fourth density society I believe.

(06-26-2022, 11:19 PM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: I am observing teachers who are relying too heavily on logical teachings and are not coming to a nice masculine/feminine, or love/light balance instead, basically giving people the wisdom to learn but not that emotions to properly handle it. Teaching only logically is why our traditional education system is so f***** up.


Why is it the default of this planet to just let people fall, when you can at least point out the obstacles in their way to help them see the path better?

(06-27-2022, 07:25 AM)tadeus Wrote: I will not study the details of this case with Don, because this is expected to be as unedifying as it is expected to be pointless.
In both Satanism and fiction, everything is simply mirrored and used against someone.
It is to be expected that the background information that Carla has provided will unfortunately be misused and not only used for a positive understanding of the situation of the interviews with Ra.

(06-27-2022, 08:16 AM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: Um no, this article is not any of those things as I would never share anything I didn’t stand by with conviction. It was very tastefully written by someone who had a more loving and compassionate perspective, who studied the Law of One for years, who knew the L/L team personally, who was tired of all the lies being passed around about what happened. Most of this information came strictly from the material Carla shared herself. This stuff is important to know, nothing is pointless, there are no mistakes, just situations that require loving awareness. Maybe next time just give it a chance before assuming it’s pointless.

This was almost me. I almost got so lost in the past that I took my own life multiple times while incarnation because of the intensity of the hopelessness and pain I have felt while being here. This article is exactly related to what this entire thread is all about. Not addressing your emotions and only looking at life from a logical perspective has its consequences.

This person I was referring to that was making jokes at Don, Carla, and Jim’s expense was not aware of their own connection to them, and I thought it was tragic to see how disconnected he was from his heart that he was not able to feel his own connection to them. There is a lot more to this situation than you are seeing on the surface.

u/greenraylove Wrote:I think everyone should know the story of Don's death in relation to the Ra material. Not only is it a cautionary tale for those who claim to want to work with high magic, showing how easily small distortions of the ego can become huge problems when you become the focus of a negative entity, but it also shows another victim of our intensely violent police state.

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0428 Wrote:We ask you that perpetual favor: that you utilize the words and thoughts that we give you that you feel are important to you at this time, and for those that do not speak to your heart, that you leave those behind. We, appreciate this gift of your discrimination, it allows us a wider range of response to your query.

(06-28-2022, 03:29 AM)tadeus Wrote: It is the same to every other source of knowledge - please learn to distinguish.
There are sources with teachers who have an attitude that can only be rejected, but who can still provide essential knowledge.