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Christianity. - Phoenix - 06-23-2022
When I finally realised Christianity is the path for me it kind of pissed me off it had so obviously been infront of me with the Law of One and I had missed it for all that time.
Things of note for the forum, my perspective for people to then comment on:
A) One of the problems I have with Christians a bit is that I find them kind of closed minded. In line with these teachings, I do not consider things like astrology or tarot to be the work of the devil. Mostly I can keep this kind of stuff away from Christians but if something emotional happens and I become more "raw" the controlling nature of this perspective becomes all too clear for me.
B) Even though the Cayce readings and Law of One support Christianity, the perspective is far more grounded in reality. It says where "Jesus" was before 30 years old even though the normal bible story of just not addressing this is kind of ridiculous imo. Also, a basic scientific understanding of how he got his ability (i.e. the pyramid) definitely changes the conversation. It's annoying because I have enough information to explain the story of Jesus in a practical way that does not have as many logic holes, and I think for that very fact could help a lot of people; but Christians are utterly, utterly not willing to listen to anything along these levels.
C) The Law of One mentions that religion struggles since it has jettisoned 'mystery' as a relevant concept. Showing a story where the mystery is apparently all solved. I have begun to understand the way that manifests is to make Christians just not curious about the world around them.
Nevertheless, these are three more good points on the religion:
i) The basic teaching, on the basic level. The 'One Infinite Creator' and the benevolence of the positive spirits is well represented. In fact, most Christian music is basically in line with the Law of One. This, I think, is extremely relevant and important in recovering from periods of low energy and dark times.
ii) The bible is a book that is very real. When you actually read it it is stories about real people a lot of the time. A lot of Christianity brings in teachings and other things related to Christianity that really helps with the real world. Some of the problems with other material is that it is abstract and in a lot of ways divorced from our everyday reality.
iii) The central teaching of redemption. Also that redemption cannot be earned through works but only through following how the spirits guide us ('all our efforts are as filthy rags). Is very central I believe to having any real ability to relate to the world. I noticed personally when I get in a personal disagreement I get so angry there is simply no moving me away from feeling bad about the relevant person for a few hours. But when that has run down and I feel the freedom to moderate my own emotions, that's when if I am praying and such I can let things go more. Whereas before I did not really hold it as a personal philosophy to let things go so I would unconsciously hold onto it without realising it. My just general outlook was that I needed to hold onto revenge like thoughts.
Do you have any thoughts?
RE: Christianity. - kilaya - 06-23-2022
Thanks for this share, it resonates. I don't "belong" to any Christian church or denomination although I did for many years. I still read and revere Jesus' teachings in all the Gospels, canonical and non-canonical. I, too, appreciate any teaching that respects mystery, both big and small. I love the mystery of how a human can approach and ultimately commune with the All of the All. That's a beautiful mystery. I think that respecting mystery has also helped keep my ego under control, to admit there is a lot I don't know and maybe can't know but those things aren't as important as knowing the Law of the One and the truth of Divine Love.
RE: Christianity. - IndigoSalvia - 06-23-2022
Can you elaborate on what you refer to when you mention "logic" and "grounded in reality"? From my perspective, both mainstream religions like Christianity and Law of One "ask" for faith in the unprovable and mysterious. For example, the parting of the Red Sea, miraculous healings, resurrection and virgin birth, to name a few Christian stories I learned during childhood.
(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: Things of note for the forum, my perspective for people to then comment on:
A) One of the problems I have with Christians a bit is that I find them kind of closed minded. In line with these teachings, I do not consider things like astrology or tarot to be the work of the devil. Mostly I can keep this kind of stuff away from Christians but if something emotional happens and I become more "raw" the controlling nature of this perspective becomes all too clear for me.
Don't know much about mystic christianity, but that may be what you are describing.
I wonder if the merging of religion into politics (at least here in US) might have something to do with this closed-mindedness. Laws are tools of social management. Merging religious, spiritual and philosophical beliefs into the legal system could easily undermine love, forgiveness and understanding, and turn spiritual matters into mechanisms to control the population.
Religion is open to interpretation (i.e., distortion). And there are likely those within any religion who adopt a "my way or the highway" attitude.
(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: B) Even though the Cayce readings and Law of One support Christianity, the perspective is far more grounded in reality. It says where "Jesus" was before 30 years old even though the normal bible story of just not addressing this is kind of ridiculous imo. Also, a basic scientific understanding of how he got his ability (i.e. the pyramid) definitely changes the conversation. It's annoying because I have enough information to explain the story of Jesus in a practical way that does not have as many logic holes, and I think for that very fact could help a lot of people; but Christians are utterly, utterly not willing to listen to anything along these levels.
How far can one go with their faith and intellect? Can one believe in the bible stories? Can that same one also believe in Law of One? The answers are likely unique to each one of us.
There were times in human history when we were more open to magic, miracles and mysticism, and thus Ra (and perhaps others) could walk among us with greater openness. Can people accept the miracles referenced in the bible, and also the Law of One narrative (not referring to the Law of One philosophy here)? Some can, and some can not.
What if we were all more on the 'same page'? Yet, seeing/being both one-ness and individuality is kinda the point of this veiled 3D experience, right? How can I be amidst all of this diversity and unique expressions, and also see/be unity, infinite unity at that?
RE: Christianity. - Phoenix - 06-24-2022
In reference to biblical references to chakras and things. Yes, I suspect this is exactly the kind of thing that a pastor I was talking to recently meant when he was saying I should prefer mainstream interpretations. It was not a big deal at the time but later on when they got more difficult with me I started thinking of it. What they should of course be saying is 'out of two interpretations you should choose the one that is closer to what you understand as the truth'. But that is not what they say. And in the same way that people are passive aggressive if you are not with their political opinions even though they don't directly state it, they just start gossiping. I imagine that is roughly the treatment I would get if I brought up that the seven churches are the seven chakras.
This is something I emailed to one of my pastors from the David Wilcock book recently: "In Matthew 18. Jesus talks about forgiveness with the phrase 7*77 which is equal to 539, which a later astrologer known as Michel Helmer used to predict with great accuracy certain revolutionary events and such."
Some of the time this is the kind of thing that would go unnoticed. It is just quite subtle like if you mention astrology they will casually be like "no, I've never looked into it". But they hold it as being 'demonic' and even though it is not easy to initially detect. This strong belief of their is not particularly pleasant. When I went down to the church when I had just found out that a close friend of mine may have committed suicide, I mentioned I met her in astrology class and the woman was all like 'I am a jealous god and I have no other gods before me'. If you notice what was going on emotionally with me was completely ignored. Perhaps they even thought she deserved to die since she had not turned to Jesus. Ironically then these sorts of people are more interested in whether someone conforms with their ideas of what their religion says than they are with the actual person. I felt it was a very correct decision for me to separate from this church. I felt that even though it was hidden, as it almost always is with people, there was a strong streak of cult like behaviour.
This "mass arrest" scenario that is brought forward by David Wilcock and others, it will definitely effect people at the churches when a deeper form of truth comes forward. All the churches in England where I live fully went along with the whole vaccine/ lockdown/ COVID thing, I ask you, what is the point of the church if it doesn't speak out about the mark of the beast?
What I mean by the fact that bible is grounded real stories is that if you read it, say the story of Job, you tend to be reading a conversation with people, and a lot of the things discussed are real world things. Also, with the psalms there is no abstract (i.e. "all is the one creator"). The psalms openly label what the troubles are.
Psalm 22:
But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
When I was working in an office job and was bullied for two years. They all were in on it, everyone in the office. Reading these psalms would really have helped. Just to bring words to my experience.
RE: Christianity. - tadeus - 06-25-2022
(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: When I finally realised Christianity is the path for me it kind of pissed me off it had so obviously been infront of me with the Law of One and I had missed it for all that time.
Do you have any thoughts?
Yes - but we are talking of the real old Christianity in the essaian believe, as written in the old gnostic texts.
RE: Christianity. - unity100 - 06-25-2022
Christianity is 'special' until you read its books. The stories of random shepherds in the desert don't end up having much meaning, and especially less with all that Yahweh stuff. The moment you get out of the sanitized 'King James Bible' territory and read the less-edited versions of the Bible, its a whole other story.
No need to muddy the path with religions. All that people need is to be good to each other and the planet that they are in. And the advanced seekers would follow their path regardless of anything, anyway.
RE: Christianity. - IndigoSalvia - 06-25-2022
(06-25-2022, 11:50 AM)unity100 Wrote: No need to muddy the path with religions. All that people need is to be good to each other and the planet that they are in. And the advanced seekers would follow their path regardless of anything, anyway.
Love this, unity100. I've often thought that the Golden Rule is good advice: treat others as you treat yourself. As others become self, then I arrive at Law of One.
RE: Christianity. - IndigoSalvia - 06-25-2022
oops, double post
RE: Christianity. - flofrog - 06-25-2022
There are some beautiful things in the words of Jesus, as in Buddhism, and as Taoism, it just falls to us to find our path, and it doesn't have to be through a religion. We are our own guide.
RE: Christianity. - Phoenix - 06-26-2022
Yeah, I've had to end my search for a Sunday church. All of them have the same "My god is a jealous god" routine and they include tarot and astrology in that. Which directly opposes the Law of One and common sense.
RE: Christianity. - flofrog - 06-26-2022
Lol Phoenix, yes jealous is perhaps not quite right…. Joining a simple meditation group is nice…
RE: Christianity. - jafar - 07-09-2022
(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: iii) The central teaching of redemption. Also that redemption cannot be earned through works but only through following how the spirits guide us ('all our efforts are as filthy rags). Is very central I believe to having any real ability to relate to the world.
Do you have any thoughts?
The 'redemption' is actually what I found to be 'problematic', not only in Christianity but in Islam as well.
Before moving on I would like to state that Jesus has no correlation with Christianity religion and Muhammad has no correlation with Islam religion. As each respective religion did not exist during their incarnation on earth.
The 'redemption' is based on the foundational dogma that human existence on earth was caused by a 'mistake'.
Specifically it was caused by a dude named Adam who ate a fruit which stated to be forbidden by a "god".
As thus the "god" become angry and banishes the dude and his chick on earth.
The dude and the chick have children and progeny which believed to be "human race" as we know now.
In order to 'pacify' the "angry God" towards the "human race" each individual need to earn a 'redemption'.
Thus, human are filthy, born as 'sinful', definitely 'not divine' and the product of a 'mistake'.
With "problem context" clearly entrenched, 'religion' then came to offer a solution.
The solution however varies, ranging from joining the 'correct' church / religion, accepting Jesus/Mohammad, believe in their dogma up to waging war / sacrifice your life for the glory of the religion / god.
This 'human is a mistake/sinful and need to be redeemed concept' is the opposite to Ra/Quo's/Law of One message (and also many other philosophical teachings).
Human is a 3rd density physical vehicle.
It's a stage or temporary vehicle in the overall journey of soul's evolution.
Human is as 'divine' as any other temporary vehicle.
Human is not the only 3rd density physical vehicle, there are many others 3rd density physical vehicle on other planets, star systems and also other galaxies.
Ra for example was evolving from 3rd density physical vehicle in planet Venus.
3rd density physical vehicle is the density of choice, to choose between Service-To-Others (STO) path or Service-to-Self (STS) path in order to continue the soul evolution journey.
Regardless of the path being chosen (STO or STS) the ultimate destination will be the same, back to the One Infinite Creator.
As every-thing IS the One Infinite Creator.
‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’
Psalm 82:6, John 10:34
RE: Christianity. - Phoenix - 07-10-2022
(07-09-2022, 03:15 AM)jafar Wrote:(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: iii) The central teaching of redemption. Also that redemption cannot be earned through works but only through following how the spirits guide us ('all our efforts are as filthy rags). Is very central I believe to having any real ability to relate to the world.
Do you have any thoughts?
The 'redemption' is actually what I found to be 'problematic', not only in Christianity but in Islam as well.
Before moving on I would like to state that Jesus has no correlation with Christianity religion and Muhammad has no correlation with Islam religion. As each respective religion did not exist during their incarnation on earth.
The 'redemption' is based on the foundational dogma that human existence on earth was caused by a 'mistake'.
Specifically it was caused by a dude named Adam who ate a fruit which stated to be forbidden by a "god".
As thus the "god" become angry and banishes the dude and his chick on earth.
The dude and the chick have children and progeny which believed to be "human race" as we know now.
In order to 'pacify' the "angry God" towards the "human race" each individual need to earn a 'redemption'.
Thus, human are filthy, born as 'sinful', definitely 'not divine' and the product of a 'mistake'.
With "problem context" clearly entrenched, 'religion' then came to offer a solution.
The solution however varies, ranging from joining the 'correct' church / religion, accepting Jesus/Mohammad, believe in their dogma up to waging war / sacrifice your life for the glory of the religion / god.
This 'human is a mistake/sinful and need to be redeemed concept' is the opposite to Ra/Quo's/Law of One message (and also many other philosophical teachings).
Human is a 3rd density physical vehicle.
It's a stage or temporary vehicle in the overall journey of soul's evolution.
Human is as 'divine' as any other temporary vehicle.
Human is not the only 3rd density physical vehicle, there are many others 3rd density physical vehicle on other planets, star systems and also other galaxies.
Ra for example was evolving from 3rd density physical vehicle in planet Venus.
3rd density physical vehicle is the density of choice, to choose between Service-To-Others (STO) path or Service-to-Self (STS) path in order to continue the soul evolution journey.
Regardless of the path being chosen (STO or STS) the ultimate destination will be the same, back to the One Infinite Creator.
As every-thing IS the One Infinite Creator.
‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’
Psalm 82:6, John 10:34
Personally, when I studied Islam I felt it to be pure malevolence. I read the Qur'an. One of the original texts not the watered down version that you get in a Western bookshop. I found the slant of Islam to be extremely disconcerting. For instance, when you read about God in the bible you get a positive feeling of mystery but the way it was phrased in the Qur'an was more like a threat. God sees all you do so you better behave. Also, even though there are a lot of leftist Westerners that say the Qur'an and Bible are basically the same book, some of the quotes I found in the Qur'an were far crueller than anything said even in the Old Testament. For instance, a line I still remember is "Cut off a part of the unbelievers so they may retire frustrated".
Also, Halal slaughter, that of draining the blood of the animal while it is still alive. I can't see this as anything other than a sacrifice to a negative being. The name Halal bears some resemblance to the name of one of the Demons that channeled incorrect information through the Cayce readings. While I was reading the Qur'an I felt that presence in my life at the time.
When I meet individual Muslims they don't always have this negative leaning but that's what I believe the teachings are as I have understood them. 'Thou shalt not kill' is not in the Qur'an which is the dominant text in Islam but is only mentioned as a throwaway concept in one of the Hadith. The inference Islam shares this philosophy is I believe sophistry.
On the subject of Christianity and redemption it fits for me. All spiritual systems label the stuff that holds us back in a different way. For Christianity it is that the flesh is weak, psychotherapy it is childhood trauma or the behaviour of the subconscious mind, meditation and human design likes to call it the mind or the 'not self'. Some Buddhist like teachings label it as the 'ego'. But whatever it can be described as, there is some part of us that motivates away from the more positive stuff and where we should be going in STO, and towards self indulgence and energy blockages.
Where we have grown up in this world as it is and had to use messed up ways to protect ourselves. In order to step back from this we cannot see these behaviours as perfect and in general, I find for me personally that given prayer I am able to take the backfoot and not feel so highly of the things that I can figure out about the world. That often lead to the conclusions that are not flattering to others. It brings the feeling of letting go of our individual inclinations and considering that there is a larger plan seen by those forces that can guide us with compassionate considerations.
RE: Christianity. - sillypumpkins - 07-10-2022
(06-23-2022, 03:55 AM)Phoenix Wrote: .....Law of One support Christianity.....
I think it's less that Ra "supports" Christianity and more that the vehicle (Carla) was already imbued with that religious framework, and thus they used Christian examples, talked about Christianity for that reason. If the channel was Muslim, it would be different methinks. Same for Cayce
just one small slice of one perspective
RE: Christianity. - Diana - 07-10-2022
(07-10-2022, 10:36 AM)sillypumpkins Wrote: I think it's less that Ra "supports" Christianity and more that the vehicle (Carla) was already imbued with that religious framework, and thus they used Christian examples, talked about Christianity for that reason. If the channel was Muslim, it would be different methinks. Same for Cayce
just one small slice of one perspective
I think what those of Ra supported above all things is free will. In that regard, they supported Carla's devotion to Christianity, especially in that while channeling, her strong belief system was beneficial to her tuning and ability to clearly channel.
The largest portion of the Earth's population is some form of Christian. Therefore, it makes sense that those of Ra would use examples that speak to the most general thinking of the time. And I agree that the channel is an influence in what comes through—even when it's done unconsciously—so Carla's beliefs would be relevant there as well.
Found this on Google:
Quote:Christians—2.2 billion followers (representing 31.5% of the world's population) Muslims—1.6 billion (23.2%) Non-religious people—1.1 billion (16.3%) Hindus—1 billion (15.0%)
Of course there is more such as Buddhism, Judaism, and indigenous spiritual beliefs.
RE: Christianity. - jafar - 07-10-2022
Ra did mentioned Jesus and Mohammad, the entity, Jesus is a 4th density STO wanderer and Mohammad is a 6th density wanderer (thus beyond separation of STO/STS).
http://lawofonesociety.com/index.php/other-materials/religion/jesus-of-nazareth-or-yehoshua-as-he-was-known-in-biblical-times
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1995/1217
Any "positive message" that's being channeled out in 3rd density will be 'enhanced' by it's "loyal opposition"; "negative message" by negative entities.
Thus one will find discrepancy and contradictions in materials containing 'message' credited to any positive wanderer, in this cases Jesus and/or Mohammad in the bundle titled as Bible/Gospel and Quran.
Also bear in mind that both materials were compiled long after the end incarnation of Jesus (for Gospel) and Mohammad (Quran).
As such Jesus never ever read the Gospel and Mohammad never ever read the Quran.
For the case of Mohammad, he might be exposed to Gospel and Christianity, but perhaps the contradictions troubled him so much that he decided to 'find his own truth'.
For the case of Jesus, he was exposed to Torah,Tanakh,Mishna,Gemarra and there are records that he was debating his own religious teachers thus he also decided to 'find his own truth'.
Thus one can deduce similarities between both figure:
- troubled with contradictions they decided to find their own truth.
Such is the function of 'contradicting catalyst' given by positive and negative entities respectively in 3rd density's experience.
RE: Christianity. - LoveAndLight7 - 07-12-2022
May I offer this point of view. I believe that currently Jesus is the "last teacher" (excluding another said person)
This is supported by the following channeling of Hatonn by Don: https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1974/0609#!0
This transformation has seen demonstrated to you at a previous time upon your planet. The last teacher with whom you are familiar who so demonstrated this transformation of thought was known to you as Jesus. This man lived and acted quite simply. However, this thinking was unique. This thinking was recognized by those around him as being unique. It was also recognized as being correct by many of those who were aware of it. We wish to bring to you that which you seek—that transformation of thought that has been demonstrated so clearly to [you] by this man. My friends, you may obtain this transformation through meditation. It is of the awareness. Spend time in meditation. Spend time to become aware of that which is already yours—a total knowledge of the love and the understanding of our Creator. This is all that is necessary for you to serve in your fullest capacity. (Bold and italics are mine.)
My rising is also inside Christianity, however it was closed minded. I can relate to much of what thread starter is writing.
This following book opened up my view on the teachings of Jesus. "This is my word, Alpha and Omega, the Gospel of Jesus",
During my awaking I found this book free on the Internet. Here are some free excerpts: https://gabriele-publishing-house.com/product/excerpts-from-this-is-my-word-alpha-and-omega-2/
It discusses Jesus training and also talks about reincarnation. Things that does not exist in the King James version of the New Testament.
The teachings of Jesus are so great, but when man violates the Law of free will, then it becomes religion. It simply cannot and should not be forced upon any, using technics of fear using teachings of Hell and a vengeful God.
In my fathers house are many mansions.
May the peace of The One be with us all.
RE: Christianity. - IndigoSalvia - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 04:09 AM)LoveAndLight7 Wrote: ... when man violates the Law of free will, then it becomes religion. It simply cannot and should not be forced upon any, using technics of fear using teachings of Hell and a vengeful God.
Interesting, L&L7. Hadn't thought of it like this. Also, it makes me think about my own awareness. To use this example: On the one hand, there is a religion. And on the other hand, there is me interacting within this religion. Religion offers a service, in a sense, and it is up to me to accept or reject this service.
This topic of Christianity - and more broadly, belief systems in general - makes me ponder what my level of awareness is about my belief systems.
No matter what combination of belief systems I have at a particular moment, I want those beliefs to inspire love and understanding. If I'm aware, I can make conscious choices.
It -- religion and beliefs -- is what I make of it. It is what I need it to be in that moment. It doesn't matter if it's this or that religion, or these or those words. It's what I do with it that matters.
As a child, Christian teachings upset me; I felt sick and sad when I heard the stories. I parted ways with it back then. Many on this forum are comforted by religions. Quite different experiences. And, I want to "hold" all of these experiences.
I ask myself: what do I make of it? For this is what I manifest, whether consciously or not.
RE: Christianity. - zedro - 07-12-2022
Religion is a yellow ray principal, while it doesn't need to be negative (violate free will), it most inevitability does as hierarchical structures on this world get preyed upon by the negative polarities the larger they grow into a potential power source.
RE: Christianity. - Sacred Fool - 07-13-2022
Personally, I have had deep and important experiences of Divinity in a religious context. Possibly, people who don't understand these things should be circumspect about criticising them and only pointing to negative attributes? If we dealt with one another bitterly, we'd all end up deeply depressed, don't you suppose? Criticism should be balanced with love, in other words, and some people find Transcendent Love via religious pathways without projecting their own anger and fear all over others.
Some of us will have to take this on faith, I guess. Perhaps the Universe is far more loving than you might suppose?
RE: Christianity. - LoveAndLight7 - 07-13-2022
(07-13-2022, 02:14 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Personally, I have had deep and important experiences of Divinity in a religious context.
I have also had many good experiences in religious context and I am very grateful for them. I can see that my message had a root in my bad experiences with the same, and that I still have a grudge of bitterness that I thought was gone. Thank you for pointing that out. I pray that this will be rooted completely out so that only Love can remain for any person and religion, as the Father does loves us all with infinite love.
RE: Christianity. - Diana - 07-13-2022
(07-13-2022, 02:14 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Personally, I have had deep and important experiences of Divinity in a religious context. Possibly, people who don't understand these things should be circumspect about criticising them and only pointing to negative attributes? If we dealt with one another bitterly, we'd all end up deeply depressed, don't you suppose? Criticism should be balanced with love, in other words, and some people find Transcendent Love via religious pathways without projecting their own anger and fear all over others.
Some of us will have to take this on faith, I guess. Perhaps the Universe is far more loving than you might suppose?
I find these comments a bit judgmental, though I imagine you don't mean them that way. I understand the underlying and wide view of the concept that evolution of consciousness can happen within any context because it's not the context that matters. We all build structures here in 3D that eventually must be seen as such (the Potentiator of the Spirit), and this is an inevitability given the veiled nature of 3D (which, is an experiment and not one I would say I agree with given the amount of suffering here of every species, and all in the name of faster movement through consciousness—the end result I am not convinced is worth the suffering but I keep an open mind).
Allow me to point out that every path is different. This is not a simple issue, though it seems many think so—"just find love in the moment." I personally do not think one can command such for self, in other words, just say okay, I will find love in the moment. This may have an effect of shifting focus to the bigger or more positive view of a situation; but, the deeper shifts happen through evolution of consciousness which in my opinion involve a culmination of many factors. I do not mean to diminish conscious intention, but I do think this can manifest as a thin sheet of positivity like ice on a lake, with the lake underneath still untransformed and full of catalyst not yet dealt with. In this circumstance, perhaps a person may need to address the (let's be honest here) destructive aspects of organized religion in order to not push it down or just say it doesn't matter, and integrate this into a bigger picture. Just deciding to be loving may have its benefits, but let's not dismiss the journey we all make toward that wider grasp of existence wherein by opening up little by little the heart is able to assimilate the greater energy of unconditional love.
RE: Christianity. - Sacred Fool - 07-13-2022
(07-13-2022, 10:22 AM)Diana Wrote: I do not mean to diminish conscious intention, but I do think this can manifest as a thin sheet of positivity like ice on a lake, with the lake underneath still untransformed and full of catalyst not yet dealt with. In this circumstance, perhaps a person may need to address the (let's be honest here) destructive aspects of organized religion in order to not push it down or just say it doesn't matter, and integrate this into a bigger picture. Just deciding to be loving may have its benefits, but let's not dismiss the journey we all make toward that wider grasp of existence wherein by opening up little by little the heart is able to assimilate the greater energy of unconditional love.
That journey of opening up bit by bit is enabled by a process of separating a chunk of catalyst off and keeping the rest beneath your frozen lake.
This brings to mind a line from the Robert Frost poem...
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake,
The darkest evening of the year.
As I read it, the whole point of the mess of 3D confusion is to inspire one to abstract from the mayhem the beauty. What lies beneath the crust will be dealt with in due course (maybe sooner, maybe later). For now, our task is to hold our wee candle up to the darkness so as to discover the infinite source of radiance within. If one can find a pathway to eternal beauty via religious practice, why would others with a spiritual bent not honour that? Why squirt personal discontentedness over it? After all, at this time on this planet, such pathways are not easy to come by.
RE: Christianity. - Phoenix - 07-13-2022
I'll bullet point my thoughts here:
- That Muhammed was 6D was not in the Law of One, Straight lie. It was not in the Q'uo section you quoted either.
- That anyone, even a 6D entity, is "beyond morality" is straight out of a negative teaching. David Wilcock has talked a bit about that being the beliefs of the deep state, it is also talked about through hollywood films such as the Sith teachings in 'Star Wars episode III revenge of the Sith'.
- While I do not disregard certain other spiritual teachings for their positivity - and at another time there are certain Hindu teachings that are very interesting. To state that Carla's Christianity was just some sort of accidental by product that the Law of One contact adapted to is... well just senseless. The contact was chosen deliberately. The Law of One contact carefully managed Christianity into being by creating the pyramids. And the only other unconscious channeling of a similar accuracy was the Edgar Cayce readings which also chose a Christian contact. It seems silly that this very obvious choice was not chosen to align with what they wanted to say!
I would largely agree with the statements that have further agreed my original statements that Christians are kind of closed minded though. A lot of the most inspiring texts exist completely outside their religion, and this tendency further expresses a complete lack of understanding of the Law of Free Will. The law of free will is not just an irritating rule that is sometimes broken and produces karma. It has a positive function.
But an organisation doesn't have to be one hundred percent positive to be useful. It just has to be 'positive enough' to start mopping up this sewer of a society. My local church has a program where they take people that are homeless and get them back on their feet. In general, when dealing with the difficult elements of our society and I am not referring to negative but the 'broken' among us, the semi controlling aspect of the church may be necessary.
One of the drawbacks for instance of the welfare state is that 1) The money is given absolutely without condition. 2) The money is given without emotional support. The second point here I think is highly relevant to human psychology. To jump to an atheist paradigm, if we were living in a tribal world, the resources we are given don't necessarily reduce our anxiety. The loyalty of other people loving us is what reduces anxiety because it tells us we are safe in this world. And on the first point, you can theoretically enable people to drink themselves to death if you give resources absolutely without strings.
In general I think the model of the church is highly positive in this, the cultural ability to sift through those that are actually trying to improve themselves and those that are abusing the victim status to indulge the "sins of the flesh". Perhaps in the absence of private charities that could also do this work, I think this is integral to a functioning society.
Also, as it relates to the main outlook of the Law of One. There really isn't very many places we can go to affirm the majesty of the "One Infinite Creator". I have dropped a piece of music down here that aligns with that sense of love for the Creative Forces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bQY2komrnA
RE: Christianity. - Diana - 07-13-2022
(07-13-2022, 11:41 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: That journey of opening up bit by bit is enabled by a process of separating a chunk of catalyst off and keeping the rest beneath your frozen lake.
This brings to mind a line from the Robert Frost poem...
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake,
The darkest evening of the year.
As I read it, the whole point of the mess of 3D confusion is to inspire one to abstract from the mayhem the beauty. What lies beneath the crust will be dealt with in due course (maybe sooner, maybe later). For now, our task is to hold our wee candle up to the darkness so as to discover the infinite source of radiance within.
I love that poem excerpt.
Like all great poetry it says so much in so few words.What lies beneath the crust may eventually be dealt with even if it isn't consciously addressed (and in some cases not in this life even), but in the meantime it will trigger and color everything. I do like the idea of continuing to hold a candle up to the darkness, and in that, I think it's important to continue to look within with that same light, and that includes what's under the crust.
(07-13-2022, 11:41 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: If one can find a pathway to eternal beauty via religious practice, why would others with a spiritual bent not honour that? Why squirt personal discontentedness over it? After all, at this time on this planet, such pathways are not easy to come by.
Any pathway is fine by me. I only meant to point out that sometimes a person may need to surface certain feelings or discoveries or discernments about things—and in the case of organized religions there are historical and STS-type issues to possibly integrate aside from personal experience—and that is necessary to their personal process of acceptance.
RE: Christianity. - Sacred Fool - 07-13-2022
(07-13-2022, 04:42 PM)Phoenix Wrote:
- To state that Carla's Christianity was just some sort of accidental by product that the Law of One contact adapted to is... well just senseless. The contact was chosen deliberately. The Law of One contact carefully managed Christianity into being by creating the pyramids. And the only other unconscious channeling of a similar accuracy was the Edgar Cayce readings which also chose a Christian contact. It seems silly that this very obvious choice was not chosen to align with what they wanted to say!
First, I suppose one should point out that Confederation sources say many things which are contrary to basic Christian doctrine, for example they do not contend that Jesus is the only Son of God who will return to enrapture the faithful. Instead of declaring doctrine, they simply share the view from their level of experience and make a point of not unduly influencing others who might overrate their words because they would invest too much authority in them, thus distorting their spiritual journey.
On the other hand, entities from other planes who would offer a consistent and honest message must find open and disciplined channels through which to work. My guess is that Casey, Rureckert and others are chosen mainly on that basis.
RE: Christianity. - jafar - 07-14-2022
Even Jesus teachings are in contradiction to Christianity doctrine
Christianity was not founded by Jesus, it was founded many centuries later after his lifetime by Roman Empire.
If we compared Christianity's doctrine to L01 then herewith among the example:
Xtian: Jesus is God and your are not.
L01: You are the one infinite creator
Xtian: Jesus is the only "Son Of God"
L01: You are sons/daughters of the one infinite creator
Xtian: You are sinful and your sin can only be redeemed by accepting Jesus
L01: In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time.
Xtian: Jesus is the only Son of God who will return to enrapture the faithful.
L01: The character of Jesus will not reappear as your experience as such identity has been concluded, your experience as your current identity is 'more challenging' compared to as Jesus.
"There is only one Christ that is part of the Creator or the Logos that has been given the dispensation not to forget in third density. This does NOT mean that you are lesser. It means you struggle against more difficult circumstances, for you struggle in a life full of faith instead of knowledge. To the one known as Jesus there was little mystery in the Creator, in itself, and in humankind. "
-- Quo
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1990/0107
RE: Christianity. - Sacred Fool - 07-14-2022
This may be unnecessary, but I would add something here to the various observations that many Christian teachings have been corrupted by humans. What's new about that? The same has happened to the Ra Material here and there. All the information on these forums, I would guess, is not pristine.
Possibly what people are most upset about is actually the power which religious groups of all sorts have misused over the millenia? Likely, most of us have suffered from this in past lives, as well as dished it out ourselves. It's all a nasty business, to be sure, but the salient question, it seems to moi, is not "How can I squabble about it?" but "How can this be healed?" Don't you think?
RE: Christianity. - jafar - 07-14-2022
(07-14-2022, 01:44 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: This may be unnecessary, but I would add something here to the various observations that many Christian teachings have been corrupted by humans. What's new about that? The same has happened to the Ra Material here and there. All the information on these forums, I would guess, is not pristine.
Possibly what people are most upset about is actually the power which religious groups of all sorts have misused over the millenia? Likely, most of us have suffered from this in past lives, as well as dished it out ourselves. It's all a nasty business, to be sure, but the salient question, it seems to moi, is not "How can I squabble about it?" but "How can this be healed?" Don't you think?
The religion of Christianity were invented by human, Roman Emperor and his group of priest to be exact.
You say 'corrupted' while I say 'enhanced'.
Any 'positive message' delivered by STO entities will always be 'enhanced' by 'negative message' by STS entities as it's 'loyal opposition'.
Yes it has happened with Ra's message as well, Mohammad's message as well thus it's a constant and recurring pattern.
As mentioned the 3rd density experience is the stage of 'choice', choosing between STO or STS Path.
Thus among the 'catalyst' given respectively by STO and STS, choose the one that 'fits' you best.
As both path will merged back in 6th density.
Separation or Unity is up to each entity...
It's also shown by incarnating experience example of Jesus or Mohammad.
Faced with confusion of discrepancies, they selectively only choose the one that fit them best, as a catalyst to start their own journey of discovery.
Both figures debated and 'fought' the religion that was prevalent in their society during their time.
RE: Christianity. - Phoenix - 07-15-2022
Yes, this thread has shown some points that are quite relevant here but easily missed.
Even though the LOO aligns with Christianity in a lot of ways. I would argue. The ways it does not align with mainstream Christian reality are very plentiful. It is a big part I think of the underlying incompatibility I have with the church. However, when I look at how some very intelligent people have positively expanded on biblical teachings. I think it is still hugely positive. An example here is Cain and Abel by Jordan Peterson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5FpuRaCdAw&t=1s
But at the same time, in relation to what was quoted here the differences are numerous and perhaps even have the effect of barring contact with the church. On top of the examples given already including: "Jesus was not some sort of unique 'son of God' but a human being that did well." Also now I think of it 'There are no mistakes, the Law is One' We also have: Jesus was not sinless, the Law of One outlines a "sin", a "misstep" that he took when he was young in killing a companion and that he had to be karmically released from. This is one of the most important teachings of Christianity, mainstream Christianity, that the Law of One opposes.
On the subject of 'sin' though this is how I understand it. Regardless of the abuses of power of the church (i.e. taking reincarnation out the bible) There is a way that I understand the metaphor of 'sin' personally.
To me, I think a lot of similarities can be found between biblical teachings and psychotherapy. To me, when it is said we are 'born into sin' I would understand that in that we are born into a world that has a lot of darkness within it and we take on those defence mechanisms in order to defend ourselves. Rather like if any of us were in a warzone we would have to take on defence mechanisms that may not be healthy for a normal STO life! So we grow up with these defence mechanisms and as we are older we start to become the perpetrator rather than the victim. Also, the collective power of these sorts of ways of being moves us off our path and a whole bunch of stuff we do may move us off the ideal path that the spirits would like for us.
When we have karma we get stuck in darkness. If as an example we had a soulmate, assuming the paradigm for this conversation. And we had immature ideas and treated this person like dirt. The creative forces would not send us another soulmate until we had amended our ways and the karma of the adaptions made to our world so we don't meet one would be plentiful. They may include having less money to be less attractive to women. If we are to pray to be forgiven then these things can be slightly lifted. On the basis that we are also praying frequently and the higher positive forces will be sure that we are guided to more positive behaviours and won't repeat the same behaviours. They also have more power to manage events in our lives if we are praying frequently.
In general the many behaviours we have that separate us from our path is what I would determine as 'sin'. Or what various other metaphysical systems would define in some way. So in meditation perhaps 'The mind'. We also do have in the Law of One statements to the effect that certain behaviours create energy blockage which somewhat align with Christianity at various points. For instance, the segment on sexuality and orange ray blockage. Neither Christianity or the Law of One would encourage an orange ray blockage/ casual sex, as a way to be.
Also, while the Law of One clearly differs with Christian doctrine they said some things in favour of Christianity. Such as; that Jesus was such a good channel that at times he ceased being a third density being channeling the Creator and he became the Creator experiencing third density. To me, this says that his words must have some validity.
So those are my thoughts!