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Doubts about the Truth - yu ai o - 05-25-2022
Greetings, I have searched for different versions of truth, philosophical currents, religions or social science, whatever the source of light that some follow, the majority converge on a single point: the perfection of being as virtues or qualities of the love in the personality of each entity. virtues that generally most in their lives don't even care about being distracted by life's pleasures or unnecessary needs, or even worse just spending time doing anything to escape boredom.
Now, if we put in our minds a situation where all entities develop the qualities of love, one day sooner or later they would all realize that they are all the same, that keeping a name or personality to differentiate one from another is practically useless. , and the romance idolatry would disappear as well as the physical attractions since in the same way all the harmonized bodies would unify into a single style, and that to a certain extent is good for some or a horror story for others who fear losing their individuality before a group of equals.
based on that context where my great doubt arises, if in the beginning there was only one, and that one was love, love that was divided into different qualities of the self and different consciousnesses, which, as we see, tend to unify personalities through the time, through densities, what need has the one infinite creator to "divide"? Well, being already one in the infinite intelligence and infinite love to know oneself again, to love oneself again, what need to create you and me, everyone? Certainly, being the unit, I do not think it is driven by the narcissistic need to love oneself or its opposite, the need to have someone to love trying to escape from loneliness.
What then is the ultimate truth? have we deceived each other? or the dissolution of the ego in the union of social memory complexes until unity is not realistic?
What do you think, what is your version of truth? do you want to be one? and if from the beginning you always wanted to be one, then why or why would you split from creator one to multiple creators to become one again?
could you help me think about it?
RE: Doubts about the Truth - 3-24-2022 - 05-25-2022
If you simply stop trying to control your thoughts and impulses entirely, you get an idea of what it means to not think in a positive or negative way.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - tadeus - 05-25-2022
Welcome here yu ai o.
(05-25-2022, 02:35 AM)yu ai o Wrote: based on that context where my great doubt arises, if in the beginning there was only one, and that one was love, love that was divided into different qualities of the self and different consciousnesses, which, as we see, tend to unify personalities through the time, through densities, what need has the one infinite creator to "divide"?
That's an interesting question.
Ra teaches us that the creator wants to experience himself.
So maybe love (of the self) is not the only thing to explore - he wants to explore every facet that is possible.
(05-25-2022, 02:35 AM)yu ai o Wrote: Well, being already one in the infinite intelligence and infinite love to know oneself again, to love oneself again, what need to create you and me, everyone? Certainly, being the unit, I do not think it is driven by the narcissistic need to love oneself or its opposite, the need to have someone to love trying to escape from loneliness.
This can be explained under the assumption that the creator wants to experience himself.
He has created a fractal that allows infinite possibilities of life experiences that can be lived through in different lives.
At the end all this experiences comes back to the one infinite creator.
(05-25-2022, 02:35 AM)yu ai o Wrote: What then is the ultimate truth? have we deceived each other? or the dissolution of the ego in the union of social memory complexes until unity is not realistic?
What do you think, what is your version of truth? do you want to be one? and if from the beginning you always wanted to be one, then why or why would you split from creator one to multiple creators to become one again?
The ultimate truth is that life is a mystery. Let us explore it.
The deceiving is unfortunately part of the experience.
Nobody has said that a union with a social memory complex is a dissolution of the individuality of the self.
It should be more seen that the importance of individuality will recede in the development of the self.
So you first discover that you have an individuality in the third density and then you will more and more realize the significance of it on your way.
The Ego in the life in the third density is an extreme experience of individuality.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - Quincunx - 05-25-2022
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RE: Doubts about the Truth - LeiwoUnion - 05-25-2022
In the beginning, there was boredom.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - Sacred Fool - 05-25-2022
Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.
Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.
Boiling it down, yes, entities can explore ego driven impulses or divinely inspired impulses or whatever they like. Over umpteen planets and many billions of years, many, many experiences will be harvested. On and on it goes.
And where does that leave you and me?
It leaves us with a wide variety of choices. We can spend time making internet posts. We can explore and refine our consciousness ever more deeply and broadly to the point of experiencing that "space or outer space," the plenum, the beyond. Honestly, when I look around me, most of what I see entities doing with their time seems pretty darned boring. Personally, I seek much more than the limitations of what first, second and third densities have to offer.
It turns out that self exploration becomes a creative act. First comes a long period of simply cleaning the internal equipment (the senses, the mind, the energy system with all its distortions). Following that, if one ventures further, the creative opportunities are "plen"-tiful, indeed. There's no need to be bounded by your current ideation. The field of exploration is fruitful far beyond what the 3D-constricted mind can bear to imagine. Simply find the heart of self and begin traveling through the doors which will then begin to open for you.
In one sense it's quite simple. Functionally speaking, it's a tad arduous. So, either do it or merely talk about it and face the boredom. It's purely your own CHOICE. You are not a victim once your own internal apparatus becomes your workshop.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - Diana - 05-25-2022
In a word I would say, evolution. This seems paradoxical with infinity, but we are used to paradoxes, eh?
The tendency to evolve or progress or change seems to be an underlying directive in this existence. It is a directive that comes with consequences (toxicity from stagnation and entropy from undirected chaotic action) and involves the driving force of catalyst.
Once this existence was set into motion, motion being a key, I cannot see that it wouldn't evolve. As each piece (eg.: MBS complex) of the whole (OIC) experiences existence accumulating awareness, data, information, ways to open up to and deal with catalyst, etc., it evolves, so it must follow that the whole evolves.
An analogy would be the holographic image on a plate: if you cut the plate (the plate being the OIC) in half, each half will have the whole picture of the original uncut plate, and no matter how many pieces the plate is cut into (logos, sub-logos, sub-sub-logos etc.) the whole picture remains on each cut piece (though as the pieces are cut smaller and smaller the image gets fuzzier while still retaining the whole picture, which explains why as we learn more and more our picture of existence gets clearer through densities and why we intuit that which is beyond our current knowledge). It also explains why as we assemble in SMCs (pieces of the original plate) the picture gets clearer.
Inversely it must follow that as each piece refines, evolves, and adds to its own picture on the plate, the original picture from which it was cut evolves.
Another way to look at it is wave/particle. The wave function might be seen as the OIC, wherein all possible outcomes exist in suspencion for that entity; and a MBS complex might be seen as a particle, collapsed from the wave as one possible outcome. But if we conjecture that the particle is not limited to this one outcome, that it might "escape" this limitation (which might be seen as beliefs, lack of awareness and experience, a product of preconceived ideas or influential environments or densities) and jump to another outcome or expand outcomes by accessing the wave function which is part of its nature (utilizing intelligent energy to access infinite intelligence), then the particle evolves as an entity, adding to itself through choices.
Within infinite intelligence there must be infinite choices, which means there cannot be limitations. There may be subsets manifested such as 3D with its blueprint of the veil and tendencies demonstrated by the Archetypes, but intelligence being infinite, infinite learning, expansion, growth is not only possible but, like osmosis, would expand from areas of high concentration to low concentration forever even through membranes (densities for example). As suggested by the wave/particle duality, we have the ability to function as either, which lines up with merging or re-emerging with the OIC or staying separate.
The "original thought" of the OIC in this view can be seen as a collapsed particle of sorts from the wave of infinite possibilities of infinity, therefore the OIC would be limited with the ability to grow and expand and evolve within the matrix of infinity.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - jafar - 05-25-2022
Quote:- what need has the one infinite creator to "divide"
- what need to create you and me, everyone?
To experience separation..
Although the word "divide" is not entirely correct, as infinity cannot be divided.
Creating many illusionary / virtual finite / confined unit of consciousness so that the infinite consciousness can experience separation.
I believe you can also feel how 'strong' the urge for consciousness to experience 'things', otherwise you will prefer to stay in blissful dreamless sleep and do not want to wake up to experience 'things' on this (illusionary) world.
The answer is similar to the question of "Why people play virtual reality games?", it's to experience things.
Some events that happened in the game might be joyful, some others might be stressful, but that's what makes it more interesting to play the game.
Quote:What then is the ultimate truth?The ultimate truth is that identities (as thus separation of consciousness) are virtual.
And what form an identity is merely a distinctive set of memory.
And such is achieved through the mechanism of memory isolation.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - jafar - 05-25-2022
(05-25-2022, 06:13 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: In the beginning, there was boredom.
And God said: "Let there be Atari" and Atari console was born.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - LeiwoUnion - 05-25-2022
(05-25-2022, 03:00 PM)jafar Wrote:(05-25-2022, 06:13 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: In the beginning, there was boredom.
And God said: "Let there be Atari" and Atari console was born.
Yes, that came shortly after the beginning; after some insignificant events in between.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - flofrog - 05-25-2022
(05-25-2022, 03:09 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:(05-25-2022, 03:00 PM)jafar Wrote:(05-25-2022, 06:13 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: In the beginning, there was boredom.
And God said: "Let there be Atari" and Atari console was born.
Yes, that came shortly after the beginning; after some insignificant events in between.
you guys make me laugh so hard. But honestly The first answer was pretty radical.
RE: Doubts about the Truth - tadeus - 05-28-2022
(05-25-2022, 02:35 AM)yu ai o Wrote: based on that context where my great doubt arises, if in the beginning there was only one, and that one was love, love that was divided into different qualities of the self and different consciousnesses, which, as we see, tend to unify personalities through the time, through densities, what need has the one infinite creator to "divide"?
Recently i read a channeling from Q'uo that maybe is able to answer your questions.
You can read it here beginning with the channeling of Steve.
I don't want to quote the text here, because it is not material from LLR.
The channeling is very interesting to questions of channeling itself too.