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Judgement - An Issue? - joetitus987@gmail.com - 03-26-2022
Whether someone judges me is not my concern, for that is part of their journey.
Whether I am concerned about being judged is part of my journey.
THOUGHTS . . .
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - IndigoSalvia - 03-26-2022
When is judgment (in terms of discrimination, discernment) infused with love? And when is it a tool of separation?
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - joetitus987@gmail.com - 03-26-2022
The genesis of this consideration on my part was my response to someone who criticized me with judgement. My response was, "Don't judge me." I can say definitely say that it was not spiritual guidance I was offering them. The catalyst was not immediate accepted and processed by me - my orange and yellow energy centers were offended. The heart puckered and closed a bit. So I wondered off and did my normal meditation. Guess what happened - the roots of the mind were shaken and this little saying is all that bubbled up to by consciousness.
After a couple days of contemplation and processing, I basically see that my appropriate response could have gone two ways (not meaning STO or STS). 1. accept the input as a valid observation of my nature that I have not seen and needs work; thank them. 2. consider the judgement as a comment on my basic nature (the spiritual personality I have been given) and file it under the category of acceptance of self.
The comment offered by IndigoSalvia seems to be about making a judgement of others. I unfortunately find myself doing this too; however, at a much subtler level than in past history. Whenever I am offering judgement to another I "try" to honestly do it in the light of teach/learning to one who is seeking. If they are not seeking, I try to keep it to myself and then contemplate the source within regarding love/light, STO/STS and free will infringement. Of course, this physical illusion requires us to form protective boundaries on occasion and I believe that is where discernment/discrimination plays a major role. For me, when I am functioning on a conscious level, I try to pause and evaluate my intention and motivations.
Intention/motivation for me is the key to discernment. Who am I serving, even at the most subtle level? Am I infringing another's free will (playing a game or controlling an outcome). This is difficult work and goes ever deeper into the roots of the mind. I find I am kidding myself immensely whenever I tell myself there are "cut-and-dried" rules. So first I engage the feminine principle of Love and then I engage the masculine principle of Wisdom; endeavoring to be very conscious at the moment.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - jafar - 03-26-2022
I think we need to break down on this process called "Judgement".
Usually it consist of:
1. Discerning / Understanding what truly going on / the surrounding context / cutting through all the lies / ambiguity etc..
2. Blaming (finding suspect / black sheep)
3. Punishing
There is nothing negative with (1), the issue/negative are more on (2) and (3).
Let's do the 'opposite contrast' test, as everything in this universe is available in opposing polarity contrast.
1. Opposite of understanding = Ignorance / do not truly understand what's going on / believing in lies etc..
2. Opposite of blaming = Accepting
3. Opposite of punishing = Forgiving
Now (1) doesn't seem positive , yet (2) and (3) now has become positive.
Thus instead of "judgement" the positive act will be:
1. Understanding / discerning
2. Accepting
3. Forgiving
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - tadeus - 03-27-2022
(03-26-2022, 12:15 PM)joetitus987@gmail.com Wrote: Whether someone judges me is not my concern, for that is part of their journey.
Whether I am concerned about being judged is part of my journey.
THOUGHTS . . .
Judgement is an issue, because it is an catalyst that must be handled.
It is possible to come to the conclusion that the judgement only serves the Ego and the interests of others.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - IndigoSalvia - 03-27-2022
I am drawn to this discussion ... to push my own understanding a bit, and explore judgment and discernment.
I wonder if I can blur the line a little bit between self-judgment and judgment from others. Can it be dissolved a little?
When I can dissolve this line, there is just a single voice (so to speak), whether it seemingly comes from a voice within my own head, or from another.
There is a judgment put before me: how do I greet this judgment? How do I react to this label?
I had an incident wherein my reaction really surprised me. A stranger (drunk or high) threatened and screamed racial slurs in my face. I stood in silence only a foot or two between us. I was the object of her rage at that moment. I didn't take it personally. I was concerned for her welfare. I simply saw her anger and rage, and possibly hurt and wounds under it.
This incident stands out because my reaction was quite atypical for me, as well as those of my family, friends, and bystanders.
Everyone else was upset and scared by it, except me, when I was the one in her cross-hairs. I understand their reactions: I am a small female, and the other person was a female transvestite (male body), and bigger in height and weight. We are different races. It could be perceived that I was at risk, but I felt none.
I wasn't scared, angry, offended ... I didn't have any of the 'normal' reactions. I wasn't being consciously spiritual, either.
At that moment, she was raging at me, but I saw that she was raging against something other than me, because I was a total stranger to her.
Today, I wonder if there's something in this incident that I can learn from because far too often, I am caught up in judgment, whether from myself or other.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - jafar - 03-27-2022
(03-27-2022, 08:55 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: There is a judgment put before me: how do I greet this judgment? How do I react to this label?
I had an incident wherein my reaction really surprised me. A stranger (drunk or high) threatened and screamed racial slurs in my face. I stood in silence only a foot or two between us. I was the object of her rage at that moment. I didn't take it personally. I was concerned for her welfare. I simply saw her anger and rage, and possibly hurt and wounds under it.
You've handled it quite well.
Although 'disabling her' can also be considered as an option when her action has became a dire threat to your safety and others around her. Yet such call should be dependent on context.
Another good reference on how to act (positively) upon being judged is the infamous trial of Jesus by Sanhedrin, which of course was a 'fake' trial.
And the opposite on how to act negatively upon being judged is the opposite of action that was taken by Jesus.
Be mindful that he did once ask his friends to prepare and defend themselves.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - sillypumpkins - 03-30-2022
One slice of one perspective....
The issue is not judgement, the issue is how we judge.
There have been many, many times I have quietly (or loudly) judged others for no reason other than bringing another down to bring myself up. "Well, at least I don't do that" kinda thing. Or even, harshly judging myself. "What a stupid thing to say, why would you say that? You should feel bad."
These ways of judgement are.... pretty negative to me.
However, I have experienced judgement in another way too. A more positive way.
This way involved the consumption of a psychedelic compound known as psilocybin (commonly referred to as magic mushrooms.) Now, this is just my experience so..... this is not a guaranteed experience if you take mushrooms.
Anyways, the experience is quite alike to the Ancient Egyptian mythology surrounding the afterlife. Under the influence of the mushrooms, I become aware of certain situations in my life wherein I was unloving. It almost feels like the best dad in the world is sitting down with me and judging me in the most compassionate/wise way. Like, it hurts a bit (like when your parents say "im not mad, just disappointed,) but there's also a sense of relinquishing that comes with it. Like I'm in a furnace or something.
That way of judgement to me is pretty positive....... and I think we can embody that way of judgement in our own lives too. It doesn't have to come from some (seemingly) higher being.... or something.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - IndigoSalvia - 03-30-2022
I notice that I am most judgmental (to self and others), or reactionary, or triggered when something hits a nerve ... when something "hits" close to home. Perhaps, it's whatever I perceive challenges a facet of my self-identity.
Like silly describes, if someone says something to me that disturbs my self-identity (e.g., "You're selfish), I might react/judge (e.g., "Nu-uh, you are.")
Likewise, when I see something in myself that disturbs my self-identity, I might do the same: be reactive, defensive. As I write this, I think judgment might be related to fear -- at least within me. For instance, Am I afraid I truly am selfish, and must defend against an accusation of such?
But when I see/accept that I am selfish/generous, mean/loving, and all of the infinite attributes and energies flowing amidst us, I might be less likely to judge self/other.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - sillypumpkins - 03-30-2022
(03-30-2022, 12:12 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I notice that I am most judgmental (to self and others), or reactionary, or triggered when something hits a nerve ... when something "hits" close to home. Perhaps, it's whatever I perceive challenges a facet of my self-identity.
Yeah! It's kinda like if you have an open wound, and you bump it on something. Ow!
(03-30-2022, 12:12 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: As I write this, I think judgment might be related to fear -- at least within me. For instance, Am I afraid I truly am selfish, and must defend against an accusation of such?
For me, I sometimes judge myself/others just because I'm scared of whatever catalyst has come up. It is defensive in that way. Like, "I'm not ready to deal with this lesson right now so I'm just going to deflect it!"
For example, I experience this feeling of frustration and anger when people are loud. Whether it's roommates talking loudly, people playing music over a speaker on a hike in the woods, or when a loud car drives by me as I'm walking down the street. I don't know why, I just feel soooo hot when these catalyst come up, and for some reason this catalyst in particular feels relatively difficult for me.
Anyways, what I've tended to do, rather than learn from the catalyst, is just get pissed and judgmental. Sometimes it's veiled in some sarcasm, "wow dude, you're so cool for driving that loud fucking car," and sometimes it's, "why the f*** do people think it's ok to play music over a speaker on a hike?"
For some reason, the potential learning within that particular catalyst feels like way tooo much, and it feels scary in that way. So I become fearful, and I judge as a way to direct the experience outwards.
The reality is that, like you said, I am likely just very scared of being that which I perceive myself not to be. Or something. shrug
(03-30-2022, 12:12 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: But when I see/accept that I am selfish/generous, mean/loving, and all of the infinite attributes and energies flowing amidst us, I might be less likely to judge self/other.
Yeah
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - LeiwoUnion - 03-30-2022
It is truly a gift when someone calls us selfish, judgemental, stupid, or whatever as it gives us an extremely easy point of self reflection and contemplation, especially if there was emotion involved. A hardmode is when someone calls us nice, hardworking, beautiful etc. and then contemplating those emotions accompanying that exchange.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - sillypumpkins - 03-30-2022
(03-30-2022, 12:37 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: It is truly a gift when someone calls us selfish, judgemental, stupid, or whatever as it gives us an extremely easy point of self reflection and contemplation, especially if there was emotion involved. A hardmode is when someone calls us nice, hardworking, beautiful etc. and then contemplating those emotions accompanying that exchange.
Lol this reminds me.... I was requesting relationship advice from a friend a few weeks ago. He pointed out to me (and in a sense, judged me) that I have a tendency to be extremely selfish, while also being extremely codependent.
Yeah.... it kinda stung to hear that, but ultimately it gave me an excellent reference point to reflect on. In that way, hearing and taking in that judgement enriches my own experience here on earth!
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - flofrog - 03-30-2022
lol.. When I was young I was terrified to be misjudged, judged was fine since I thought I was pretty silly, but misjudged weighed incredibly heavy . I wouldn't react to it but I felt it so heavily. Till one day I realized, oh its ok this was not really my intention doing that, I know that bandits ok if someone else doesn't know it. It was a huge learning and a huge freedom felt at the time.
Today I find interesting to be judged, if it happens, because I am like, what's to learn there about me. ( music like what IndigoSalvia says and Silly ) and what is there that might be troubling this other self so it's an interesting process, as in the end it always involves compassion somewhere. I love the fact that this is not something I dislike anymore. Really interesting.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - MrWho - 04-02-2022
There is no other judgment than judgment of self.
Anyone can judge you however they wish. Only if you judge yourself in accordance will any true guilt or karmic debt form.
However one cannot become an isle free of guilt and remain impervious to the tides of the ocean. We all share the same world.
Quote:The genesis of this consideration on my part was my response to someone who criticized me with judgement. My response was, "Don't judge me." I can say definitely say that it was not spiritual guidance I was offering them.
To this an applicable quote on anger and how a positive and negative deals with it.
Quote:The entity polarizing positively perceives the anger. This entity, if using this catalyst mentally, blesses and loves this anger in itself. It then intensifies this anger consciously in mind alone until the folly of this red-ray energy is perceived not as folly in itself but as energy subject to spiritual entropy due to the randomness of energy being used.
Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.
The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected or random energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self, or otherwise control the situation causing anger.
Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.
https://www.lawofone.info/s/46#9
Did you accept the source of anger and bless it in love.
Or did you lash out in anger in an to attempt to maintain control.
Awareness is key.
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - joetitus987@gmail.com - 04-03-2022
I want to thank MrWho for this insightful post and recalling me to the wisdom of the Ra Material. I have read it cover-to-cover three times and this section didn't come to the surface for me. Since my original post on this - I have moved toward blessing the "anger" (maybe not anger - but definitely irritation). Regardless of the word; the wisdom applies entirely. I am young on this journey and path of consciously striving toward StO and my catalyst abound.
Attempting to control others is absolutely the key - I initially acted in a passive/aggressive fashion thinking that was better than "blowing up". However, inner (Creator/Higher-Self, etc) guidance led me to the little phrase I originally offered. The Ra quote really crystallized the catalyst and I am working to grow and improve; i.e. significate the experience in my consciousness.
Again thank you
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - MrWho - 04-03-2022
All is well, my path was hard wrought upon the negative. It is not bad to have negative qualities. It is less than good to be unaware of them.
Just remember positives accept and love unconditionally.
If you are struggling with just this it is because love seeks the ways of wisdom. With your experience and natural wisdom from your life you know how naive love can be.
So you seek to share wisdom. This I see. Always ask yourself your motivations. What is it you wish to communicate? How?
Fewer words are easier to remember.
Infinite love/light light/love
RE: Judgement - An Issue? - 3-24-2022 - 04-06-2022
From reading about Oriental philosophy, one of the most useful ideas I've read about is just the idea of acceptance.
Accepting whatever you encounter, accepting that people think differently.
On a personal note I try to be friendly to people but I understand not everyone will or needs to be the same way toward me. I accept it.