(12-06-2010, 06:03 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Ankh, that books sounded interesting so I looked it up but apparently the story was made up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlo_Morgan (see references)

(12-06-2010, 03:19 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Is it possible in 3rd density for an adept, or someone on their way to becoming one, to be able to know someone else's thoughts, feelings, fears, desires, biases, etc. or is that only possible in 4th density? I think this would be a super useful skill for someone polarizing on either path.

(12-06-2010, 05:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I guess it depends on what you're expecting? If you're expecting someone to press his fingers against his temples look constipated and then have someone else receive the message word for word then I guess it takes a very advanced being...

But telepathy, knowing what the other is doing and thinking about on a subconscious level is quite common.

(12-06-2010, 08:11 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: I doubt that 3rd density people can read each other minds. The way I see it, reading minds requires the ability to become aware of the fine waves of the brain. Some machines can do that at this time. And in the future, we may see small machines that can read and interpret these waves, at a distance, just like Bluetooth. It will probably take many years before efficient interpretation of brain waves becomes possible. We must remember that it took tens of thousands of yours, a great amount of help, and possible genetic manipulation, in order for us to have come so far.
4th density will most likely evolve slowly. I doubt that people in a couple of years will be able to read each others mind.

Quote: One way to see how mind reading can be achieved is by considering technological and genetic advancement. As we progress, we may be able to first create machines that can interpret brain waves, this can gradually evolve until they are small enough to implant in the body. Eventually, we will be able to alter our genetic structure in order to achieve that ability.
If we consider how far we have come in the last hundred years, and the level of acceleration in our technological evolution, this may not be that far in the future.
A change in the vibrations of the planet and within our local space, may affect the way that brain waves are transmitted, and may aid in our ability to sense them, and relate to them.

(12-06-2010, 10:02 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote:

(12-06-2010, 08:11 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: I doubt that 3rd density people can read each other minds. The way I see it, reading minds requires the ability to become aware of the fine waves of the brain. Some machines can do that at this time. And in the future, we may see small machines that can read and interpret these waves, at a distance, just like Bluetooth. It will probably take many years before efficient interpretation of brain waves becomes possible. We must remember that it took tens of thousands of yours, a great amount of help, and possible genetic manipulation, in order for us to have come so far.
4th density will most likely evolve slowly. I doubt that people in a couple of years will be able to read each others mind.

With all due respect I know people who read minds to impressive levels today. And I think we all do it to a degree.

Quote: One way to see how mind reading can be achieved is by considering technological and genetic advancement. As we progress, we may be able to first create machines that can interpret brain waves, this can gradually evolve until they are small enough to implant in the body. Eventually, we will be able to alter our genetic structure in order to achieve that ability.
If we consider how far we have come in the last hundred years, and the level of acceleration in our technological evolution, this may not be that far in the future.
A change in the vibrations of the planet and within our local space, may affect the way that brain waves are transmitted, and may aid in our ability to sense them, and relate to them.

I don't think this is at all true. I've seen mind reading in action both me reading other people and other people reading me. That's today, no hypothetical future or weird training required. It is a skill we've had since before we were human. It's part of how our brains naturally work.

Aboriginals are known for using the skill consciously. the rest of us sort of forgot how to do it consciously. But we're still doing it subconsciously on an almost daily basis. And becoming sensitive to it is a natural process once you accept it as true.

(12-07-2010, 02:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "Mind" is a principle of nature. There is a planetary "mind", for example (i.e. racial mind, noosphere, akashic records). A person can tap into different levels of this planetary mind. One level feels like an ontological-other presence that somehow "knows" you well enough to communicate answers to your questions in extraordinarily efficient manner.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Depending on the focus you have a different mindset. Humans happen to have a personal focus, a group focus, a societal focus. You could call these logoi.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I am certainly not the best at it. And I doubt I have achieved anything near any limit of any human possibility. So as far as mind reading goes it must go vastly deeper than I've been able to experience. For me it's a combination of sensing energies, knowing people, but certainly there is also occasionally perceiving the actual thoughts themselves. If I can do that, then someone who's really good at it must be able to do that much more.

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Depending on the focus you have a different mindset. Humans happen to have a personal focus, a group focus, a societal focus. You could call these logoi.

Apparently, the earth itself supports/maintains/nurtures at least some layer or aspect of what we might refer to as societal mind. Consider what mind attributes "yellow ray" or solar-plexus chakra has, for example. According to the Ra Material, this support will cease (go into potentiation). If I understand correctly, consequently, yellow-ray learning about ourselves will go unsupported, externally. That is, the training wheels come off. Those "unbalanced" in this area may then feel lost or indecisive, whereas previously they'd been able to successfully identify with the status quo or group mind.

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I am certainly not the best at it. And I doubt I have achieved anything near any limit of any human possibility. So as far as mind reading goes it must go vastly deeper than I've been able to experience. For me it's a combination of sensing energies, knowing people, but certainly there is also occasionally perceiving the actual thoughts themselves. If I can do that, then someone who's really good at it must be able to do that much more.

There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought.

Quote:They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought. They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought. They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

what you are talking about is healing through 7d balance.

but that is rather an overshot. If the entity in question does not want/accept anything, you cannot project any kind of state of mind to that entity. In addition, the factors regarding whether the entity can keep that state of mind, has the resources and environment to do it and so on, also matters.

(12-07-2010, 11:10 AM)Ashim Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought. They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

what you are talking about is healing through 7d balance.

but that is rather an overshot. If the entity in question does not want/accept anything, you cannot project any kind of state of mind to that entity. In addition, the factors regarding whether the entity can keep that state of mind, has the resources and environment to do it and so on, also matters.

Do not believe that is the Truth.
The Spiritual Hierarchy will always provide the required catalyst. It is a matter of intent. We are One.

(12-07-2010, 11:17 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 11:10 AM)Ashim Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought. They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

what you are talking about is healing through 7d balance.

but that is rather an overshot. If the entity in question does not want/accept anything, you cannot project any kind of state of mind to that entity. In addition, the factors regarding whether the entity can keep that state of mind, has the resources and environment to do it and so on, also matters.

Do not believe that is the Truth.
The Spiritual Hierarchy will always provide the required catalyst. It is a matter of intent. We are One.

i dont understand.

(12-07-2010, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought. They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: what you are talking about is healing through 7d balance.

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: but that is rather an overshot. if the entity in question does not want/accept anything, you cannot project any kind of state of mind to that entity.

(12-07-2010, 11:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: in addition, the factors regarding whether the entity can keep that state of mind, has the resources and environment to do it and so on, also matters.

(12-07-2010, 09:20 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There must be balance, but not sure what 7d means in this context. The "vibrations" are first raised (person is operating with highest-possible chakra balance), because a template of wholeness is created in the more subtle bodies of the one to be healed. This wholeness is typically imagined by the shaman who can do this due to extraordinary knowledge of self. To know self is to know other.

Quote:Of course you can, in the same manner you can interfere with anyone vulnerable enough, in more "conventional" ways, without their permission or knowledge.

(12-07-2010, 09:56 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: That makes sense. Basically, the group mind changes and it becomes required for the individual to make choices that were usually handled by group mind.

"The service has been discontinued, please make your own decisions for today."

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I am certainly not the best at it. And I doubt I have achieved anything near any limit of any human possibility. So as far as mind reading goes it must go vastly deeper than I've been able to experience. For me it's a combination of sensing energies, knowing people, but certainly there is also occasionally perceiving the actual thoughts themselves. If I can do that, then someone who's really good at it must be able to do that much more.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Wow, that's just surreal. In a metaphoric way every man and woman is a universe. Inhabited by many creatures who have all kinds of relationships to each other. Strive, conflict, love.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Do you have experiences with these people or know where to find out about them? I'm curious?

Quote:They can work comfortably in symbol and metaphor, which is the language of the mind. For example, see an illness as a dark area and bring light to it, or a frozen aspect of self and dethaw it. This is common practice for any shaman. Carl Jung's "active imagination" is very similar.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Precisely, it should be remembered that this is metaphor though. Illness isn't really dark. But these metaphors allow our subconscious to understand what we're trying to tell it and allows us to understand the responses.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: In this way, I've seen a few times that metaphorically understanding why some problem is is already a cause for healing. Even if you just know for a fact that the metaphor is not reality. It is sufficient explanation to the subconscious to allow it to heal itself.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: A lot of past life insight resulting in spontaneous healing could be explained by that. The subconscious gets it, it makes sense, so it can let go. This doesn't mean it's true.. It just means it's true enough to make sense to the subconscious.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Also in real life the same mechanisms often apply. I put a lot of faith in synchronistic events. Like walking with someone and spotting an animal that's not usually there. And well, all magical work is essentially the invokation of synchronicity.

(12-07-2010, 09:40 PM)unity100 Wrote:

Quote:Of course you can, in the same manner you can interfere with anyone vulnerable enough, in more "conventional" ways, without their permission or knowledge.

wont stick, if the entity, in spiritual level, doesnt accept it.

(12-07-2010, 09:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: i meant 7th chakra - violet energy.

(12-07-2010, 09:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The entity must first be capable of accepting that aspect or area of themselves that would be changed, in order to circumvent change. It can indeed stick. That's the whole issue with the exploitation offered with psychic greeting. But it's always a learning experience for both parties as they are naturally bound.

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(12-07-2010, 09:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: i meant 7th chakra - violet energy.

My understanding is that it's the 6th, ajna chakra, or "third-eye".

(12-07-2010, 09:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-07-2010, 09:56 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: That makes sense. Basically, the group mind changes and it becomes required for the individual to make choices that were usually handled by group mind.

"The service has been discontinued, please make your own decisions for today."

Yes, it is humorous. There will be a need to "fall back" to selfhood, but will the person know him/herself when that knowledge is called to task in some circumstance? Operating unconsciously, without yellow-ray societal support, means projection will be rampant. You can almost predict certain social themes symptomatic of this lack of support. Some of which are incipient, as the intuitives have noticed and reported in other threads here.

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I am certainly not the best at it. And I doubt I have achieved anything near any limit of any human possibility. So as far as mind reading goes it must go vastly deeper than I've been able to experience. For me it's a combination of sensing energies, knowing people, but certainly there is also occasionally perceiving the actual thoughts themselves. If I can do that, then someone who's really good at it must be able to do that much more.

There are those that can see and experience another's imagination, their past, present, and future landscapes and navigate them independently or with them. If one is sufficiently balanced, and can see another as "whole", they can also correct another's subtle imbalances by mere thought

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Wow, that's just surreal. In a metaphoric way every man and woman is a universe. Inhabited by many creatures who have all kinds of relationships to each other. Strive, conflict, love.

AFAIK, it's not just a metaphor, but rather the reality. We are co-extant.

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Do you have experiences with these people or know where to find out about them? I'm curious?

I don't think its important who they are. Like anything else, they tend to show up synchronistically. The point was that the methods and experiences exist. "mind reading" and even "telepathy" are poor words to describe a deeply engaging and information-rich, multi-level, experience.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Precisely, it should be remembered that this is metaphor though. Illness isn't really dark. But these metaphors allow our subconscious to understand what we're trying to tell it and allows us to understand the responses.

(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: In this way, I've seen a few times that metaphorically understanding why some problem is is already a cause for healing. Even if you just know for a fact that the metaphor is not reality. It is sufficient explanation to the subconscious to allow it to heal itself.

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: A lot of past life insight resulting in spontaneous healing could be explained by that. The subconscious gets it, it makes sense, so it can let go. This doesn't mean it's true.. It just means it's true enough to make sense to the subconscious.

Yes. But what's "true", really?

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(12-07-2010, 05:59 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Also in real life the same mechanisms often apply. I put a lot of faith in synchronistic events. Like walking with someone and spotting an animal that's not usually there. And well, all magical work is essentially the invokation of synchronicity.

I've seen that the universe is consistently more than willing to cooperate. It will provide an answer to any question you consciously or unconsciously pose.

(12-07-2010, 11:04 PM)unity100 Wrote: negative greeting exaggerates already found issues

Quote:One of the primal distortions of the Law of One is that of healing. Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One. The healer acts as energizer or catalyst for this completely individual process.