Quote:H: Do you have a family? Do you have a husband? Or are you a woman?

I am with the instrument. I am Hatonn. I am one of many who call themselves Hatonn, for we are a planetary consciousness encompassing a culture who has come to a oneness of thought in unison; and as we desire to serve, so we have been sent to you, called by your need.

I, myself, speaking to you at this moment, am a woman, and I am mated. However, we are not of your density, and our relationship is more that of an extended family, as you would call it, than your mated relationships which keeps walls between people, both in the generations and between friends. Thus, you may be speaking next to a man who is also Hatonn, who may be my mate or my brother, or simply one of the brothers of our clan of service.

Quote:Questioner: Yes. What is evil in your density? Is evil out in (inaudible)?

I am aware of your question, but there is some difficulty in answering it fully, for there is no evil in our particular density. We are in a density of unity. Evil, as you know it in your density, seems rather complex; but in reality it is simply the manifestation of separation—brother from brother and man from Creator.

Each man is the Creator. The lack of understanding of this principle of universal law is the source and the beginning of evil. Man, not understanding that all is one and that what man does to his brother he does to himself, decides to gain power over his brother and enslaves his brother.

Sometimes this evil is projected from individuals to larger groups. Whole nations, as you call them on your planet, can become evil. Whole planets can become evil. It is simply a measure of separation of man from the knowledge and love of the Creator. It is a type of ignorance, and this is why the best defense against evil in your illusion is the knowledge of what evil really is. Thus, faced with evil, you can find the Creator in the source of that evil. This blocks the evil from coming into your world, for one who loves is stronger, in unity, than one who does not love, in his evil.

In many situations that may seem that evil has triumphed, it must be understood that—metaphysically speaking—evil cannot triumph; it can only lose. That is the best it can do. That is what it is now doing upon your planet. It is keeping love in flight.

The difficulty is that many among your people do not care whether they are good or evil. Thus, they are a little good and a little evil—not truly good and not truly evil. They vibrate so weakly that they cannot help and they cannot hinder; and then they leave the field clear for those who wish power over others and wish to be evil. Thus, we always ask for you to know that all things are one, that love created all that there is, that the original Thought is love.

A true understanding of the unity of all that there is is a great gate into a realm of white light from which we can gaze at the cold eyes of evil without fear. For evil exists only on the lower planes, in one of which you are now enjoying an experience. It is an expression in which you can find evil, but it is only an illusion. It is an illusion which is caused by thought. That thought is the thought of separation. That which is good is the thought of the unity of love.

We do not have evil, due to the time we have spent on the evolutionary spiral, feeling the density that you now enjoy, through the next density which you will come to enjoy, into the one which we now enjoy.

In the next density which you will enjoy there will be evil, but it will be in a greatly attenuated form and will be seen to be a creature of thought only. Thus you will be able to deal with it in a more adult manner. It will not be as threatening, and it will be easier for you to become adept at loving. The lessons become easier as the path becomes lighter.

When you’ve reached the vibration that we now enjoy, there will be no evil; and you will find that in order to possess and to learn you must reach backward as teachers, such as we, and attempt to bring after you those who are now seeking to follow the path that you have chosen. In this way we deepen our understanding. You deepen your understanding by direct confrontation that is far more painful, but it is far quicker. And this we say to you: you have a marvelous opportunity day by day to enrich that within you which is immortal with an understanding of love.

(04-27-2021, 08:50 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: I think this is the first passage in Confederation literature I've seen in praise of direct confrontation.  For a guy like me, this is very reassuring.  Maybe I'm doing something right by being an eternal irritant?

Or not?
   

(04-27-2021, 09:06 PM)Patrick Wrote: I am reminded of the comment about marriages being adversary relationships. I can just tell you that my wife and I are definitely evolving real fast sometimes.  

(04-27-2021, 10:18 PM)zedro Wrote: "You deepen your understanding by direct confrontation that is far more painful, but it is far quicker. "

I think your interpretation of what 'direct confrontation' is (and to what) is different from their intent. My read was more performative catalysts to experience for rapid growth, i.e. we are being directly confronted, not being necessarily confrontational.

(04-28-2021, 09:25 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: I think s fool s work in researching these topics and bringing it to public service threads, is more useful than the eternal irritant strategy.

(04-28-2021, 12:23 AM)zedro Wrote: Well you can certainly push your catalysts through confrontation, but it may not be necessary, but certainly guaranteed to effect something, and how much is that about enacting control over the other as well. Perhaps the push and pull between polarities is a way of supercharging growth, with the risk that you may end up on either side of the coin.

(04-27-2021, 10:18 PM)zedro Wrote: "You deepen your understanding by direct confrontation that is far more painful, but it is far quicker. "

I think your interpretation of what 'direct confrontation' is (and to what) is different from their intent. My read was more performative catalysts to experience for rapid growth, i.e. we are being directly confronted, not being necessarily confrontational.

(04-30-2021, 04:46 AM)jafar Wrote: Untreated, it's not hard to guess of what will be the future..

The main questions here will be:
- Are we willing reach out to them? Without prejudice and hatred.
- Are we willing to accept them? Regardless of what they did.
- Are we willing to include them? Without fear.

If not.. then aren't we also actually among the evil that give birth to future evil?

(04-30-2021, 07:50 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 04:46 AM)jafar Wrote: Untreated, it's not hard to guess of what will be the future..

The main questions here will be:
- Are we willing reach out to them? Without prejudice and hatred.
- Are we willing to accept them? Regardless of what they did.
- Are we willing to include them? Without fear.

If not.. then aren't we also actually among the evil that give birth to future evil?

Forgiveness of STS and so forgiveness of the Elites is part of the path of opening the heart. Until that step is accomplished there remains blockages in the heart of the one trying to polarize positively.

(04-30-2021, 10:19 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 07:50 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 04:46 AM)jafar Wrote: Untreated, it's not hard to guess of what will be the future..

The main questions here will be:
- Are we willing reach out to them? Without prejudice and hatred.
- Are we willing to accept them? Regardless of what they did.
- Are we willing to include them? Without fear.

If not.. then aren't we also actually among the evil that give birth to future evil?

Forgiveness of STS and so forgiveness of the Elites is part of the path of opening the heart. Until that step is accomplished there remains blockages in the heart of the one trying to polarize positively.

16.6 Questioner: Then this window balancing prevents the Guardians from reducing their positive polarization by totally eliminating the Orion contact through shielding. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.


Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.
Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

I too think that love is the salvation of 3rd density, however, I really like the idea of incorporating wisdom with love if it can be done. Forgiving, loving, acceptance are admiral traits and ways of being but these contain traces of foolishness if one is not careful and for this reason, it is always balanced if one were to include wisdom if it can.

Quote:H: Do you have children?

Yes, we do. However, there is a difference between our methods of raising children than yours, in that children are raised by the entire clan so that each child has many older people to whom he can turn. In the event that one does not understand, there is always another. This, we find, is unlike your culture in which the child has very few chances for an understanding relationship with an older person. This is due to the difference in our vibrations, for in our vibration the truth is clear to us, and we can see the thoughts of those around us, even those from whom we are separated, as you would call it, physically by space. Thus, there is no falsehood or deception in any of our relationships; and therefore, each child seeks out those who vibrate in harmony with him without feeling that he must choose one person over another because of what you would call a blood relationship.

There is, of course, a special affection for one’s father or mother of the flesh, as you would call it, but it is nothing compared to the emphasis which you in your density put on this simple relationship. For in reality, you in your illusion have used this relationship to work out a great many lessons of love and service whereas we cannot use this relationship, for knowing the truth of love by the vibrations, seeing the thoughts of all those about you, we would not learn those lesson in any event, were our relationships restricted. Therefore, the restrictions are lifted, and we are free. However, we choose our friends within a vibration level which closely matches our own. And when our children are ready to mate, there is no question as to their suitability for each other, for their vibrations are obviously in harmony. Thus, our family life, as you would call it, is harmonious, and we are then free to serve others. And it is this freedom that has allowed us to come to you, for we have heard the call of your planet for help, for you desire to be as we—free and happy.

And yet, all that we can tell you is that that freedom is within yourself and not within the outer world, for the outer world is a distraction and a series of distractions which serve as a catalyst for your understanding. This catalyst you may ignore; you may become unhappy; you may become tired or you may consider these things within yourself, deciding what each lesson of your life might have to do with love. And when you see the love in a situation, then you have come one step closer to what you would call the kingdom of heaven. That is the place in which we dwell, for our dimension relates very closely to your heavenly vibration, as you would call it. In that vibration we live, and from that vibration we reach back to you to help, as it were, by inspiration, to help you want to be lifted up into a place in which there is peace and joy in reality and not only in dreams.

Does this answer your question?

H: Yes. Do you feel any other emotions besides love? Do you ever feel angry?

We feel an emotion besides love, but it is not anger. We feel an immense sorrow, a grief. We grieve for your peoples. You are not the first civilization that has approached annihilation on a planetary level, but there are not many of you. We grieve because you are separated, and we yearn and wish and hope that we can help you become one within yourselves, with love. We grieve as parents grieve when their children are unhappy, wanting to give them happiness but not knowing how. We grieve at your nations, that they are hostile to each other. For ours is a vibration of love, and when there is love there is sadness, sadness for those who do not know love; and this emotion we feel.

We speak only for the vibration of Hatonn. You must understand that we are one of many, many civilizations which make up the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. We are, shall we say, among them, not at the greatest of vibrations. Indeed, the one known to you as Latwii, and the one known to you as Telonn, are both of a light vibration which is much higher and much more full of joy than our own. And in their messages there could never be any grief. But we have not yet reached their wisdom, and we vibrate in love. Thus, we feel sadness, and we reach out to you in both love and sadness. And when you accept our love and your own sadness as a people diminishes slightly, then we feel great joy; and when you wish to fight among yourselves, then we are sad again.
(Pause)

H: Do you feel other emotions between yourselves (inaudible)?

May we say to you that it is difficult to express our thoughts through this channel on this subject, for she does not have a vocabulary suited to express the shadings of love. There are many, many different kinds of appreciation.

There are differences of opinion among us, but they are not inharmonious, for differences of opinion are simply differences in vibration and when that can be seen simply as that, it becomes simple to move an inharmonious vibration so that the person is better placed to be in harmony with those about him. You have an expression for this, which is a cliché among your peoples. We find it in this instrument’s mind. It is called, “Birds of a feather flock together.” And this is precisely what happens among our people.

Those of us who have one goal, one type of desire, spend our time pursuing it as one being. And yet, we all appreciate each other’s skills and abilities. Thus, we do not leave the vibration of love, yet our emotions vary widely as we listen to the healing of one and the music of another, or the cooking skills of another, or the poetry of another, or the ability to travel through densities and bring back beautiful stories of another.

You do not know who is speaking to you, for we do not have names. You may be having a contact with a healer Hatonn, or the singer Hatonn, or the poet Hatonn. Thus, the messages vary from time to time to a certain extent, but we are enough alike in our desire that there is similarity.

In this instrument’s mind there is a fact which perhaps helps to clarify the question. The word “snow” is one word in your language, but among those who live in the far, far north there are many, many words for snow. Thus it is with love. When you can see the variations and the shades of love, you can appreciate and feel an incredible variety of love.

H: Thank you very much for answering my question.

We are the ones to thank you, my sister, for without you we would be talking to ourselves. Is there another question?

Quote:H: Do you have children?


Yes, we do. However, there is a difference between our methods of raising children than yours, in that children are raised by the entire clan so that each child has many older people to whom he can turn. In the event that one does not understand, there is always another.

(04-30-2021, 10:39 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 10:19 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 07:50 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 04:46 AM)jafar Wrote: Untreated, it's not hard to guess of what will be the future..

The main questions here will be:
- Are we willing reach out to them? Without prejudice and hatred.
- Are we willing to accept them? Regardless of what they did.
- Are we willing to include them? Without fear.

If not.. then aren't we also actually among the evil that give birth to future evil?

Forgiveness of STS and so forgiveness of the Elites is part of the path of opening the heart. Until that step is accomplished there remains blockages in the heart of the one trying to polarize positively.

16.6 Questioner: Then this window balancing prevents the Guardians from reducing their positive polarization by totally eliminating the Orion contact through shielding. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.


Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.
Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

I too think that love is the salvation of 3rd density, however, I really like the idea of incorporating wisdom with love if it can be done. Forgiving, loving, acceptance are admiral traits and ways of being but these contain traces of foolishness if one is not careful and for this reason, it is always balanced if one were to include wisdom if it can.

I am a big fan of compassionate-wisdom. Which is what we learn in 6D.

Are you saying that forgiving STS is unwise while being compassionate ?

If so, I would find it interesting if you could provide examples of what a compassionate-wisdom response to STS would look like ?

(do not forget that forgiving them does not mean that you agree with them or that you support what they do)

(04-30-2021, 03:37 PM)Patrick Wrote: I think, after having forgiven them, we can still work against their plans. It's like forgiving someone who is going to prison. They are still going to prison even after you have forgiven. We still need to protect ourselves against STS machinations and handle the situations that come up with compassionate-wisdom. All of that does not prevent forgiveness from being given in my opinion.

We are saying: "Ok bad guys, I am forgiving you now but I am not playing your games anymore".

So we are releasing our hold on our feelings of victimhood and reclaiming our powers by forgiving.

Seems like a wise and compassionate thing to do.

(04-30-2021, 04:47 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 03:37 PM)Patrick Wrote: I think, after having forgiven them, we can still work against their plans. It's like forgiving someone who is going to prison. They are still going to prison even after you have forgiven. We still need to protect ourselves against STS machinations and handle the situations that come up with compassionate-wisdom. All of that does not prevent forgiveness from being given in my opinion.

We are saying: "Ok bad guys, I am forgiving you now but I am not playing your games anymore".

So we are releasing our hold on our feelings of victimhood and reclaiming our powers by forgiving.

Seems like a wise and compassionate thing to do.

This balance has some fine nuances, that are quite hard to navigate without getting distorted. For example, in this situation too much green can lead one into sadness/sorrow/pity and too much blue can lead into arrogance/superiority/schadenfreude. Because it is about true color green-blue center balance, these nuances can be extremely hard to notice, so subtle they can be. Try it, I bet many aren't as purely forgiving as it on a first glance might seem.

Quote:67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

(04-30-2021, 05:36 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 04:47 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 03:37 PM)Patrick Wrote: I think, after having forgiven them, we can still work against their plans. It's like forgiving someone who is going to prison. They are still going to prison even after you have forgiven. We still need to protect ourselves against STS machinations and handle the situations that come up with compassionate-wisdom. All of that does not prevent forgiveness from being given in my opinion.

We are saying: "Ok bad guys, I am forgiving you now but I am not playing your games anymore".

So we are releasing our hold on our feelings of victimhood and reclaiming our powers by forgiving.

Seems like a wise and compassionate thing to do.

This balance has some fine nuances, that are quite hard to navigate without getting distorted. For example, in this situation too much green can lead one into sadness/sorrow/pity and too much blue can lead into arrogance/superiority/schadenfreude. Because it is about true color green-blue center balance, these nuances can be extremely hard to notice, so subtle they can be. Try it, I bet many aren't as purely forgiving as it on a first glance might seem.

I think this is closer to my meaning.

Quote:67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

To me forgiving the Elites is synonymous with: "you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well".

Having forgiven you can then have this balance: "the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time"

(04-30-2021, 06:12 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: Heh. That is easier said than done when going deeper than green ray. Just look at Ra's past 'dealings' with humans, they too require lessons in this regard. While those of Ra, for example, likely have no trouble forgiving themselves and the misguided humans that took over Ra's gifts in Egypt, balance through the whole of the lesson had hardly been achieved. Their execution did not help polarising beyond 6.5D+.

(04-30-2021, 01:07 PM)Spaced Wrote:

Quote:H: Do you have children?


Yes, we do. However, there is a difference between our methods of raising children than yours, in that children are raised by the entire clan so that each child has many older people to whom he can turn. In the event that one does not understand, there is always another.

This is how I've always felt child rearing should be handled. Many indigenous cultures raise kids this way.

Quote:You do not know who is speaking to you, for we do not have names. You may be having a contact with a healer Hatonn, or the singer Hatonn, or the poet Hatonn. Thus, the messages vary from time to time to a certain extent, but we are enough alike in our desire that there is similarity.