(02-02-2021, 10:55 PM)zedro Wrote: I doubt that, because if they fell back to 3rd density, they would have had to evolve to 6D before the current earth master cycle (which is supposed to be the 1st one) since they talk about all the major cycles and harvests here.

What sounds more likely is the Venusians who didn't evolve with the Ra complex probably ended up at Muldek. Ra obviously has karmic ties to our greater history (including Muldek and Mars) which is why they came originally in the past and recently. It certainly feels like they are obscuring alot through the LoC.

(02-03-2021, 12:00 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-02-2021, 10:55 PM)zedro Wrote: I doubt that, because if they fell back to 3rd density, they would have had to evolve to 6D before the current earth master cycle (which is supposed to be the 1st one) since they talk about all the major cycles and harvests here.

What sounds more likely is the Venusians who didn't evolve with the Ra complex probably ended up at Muldek. Ra obviously has karmic ties to our greater history (including Muldek and Mars) which is why they came originally in the past and recently. It certainly feels like they are obscuring alot through the LoC.

Ra says that the planet wasn't 3D habitable until 75,000 years ago. That could mean that after the destruction of the Maldek civilization 700,000 years ago, it wasn't until 75,000 years ago that the planet could support 3D life again.
"Falling back to 3D" or relearning choices made behind the veil is something that doesn't necessarily take as long as natural 3D progression, without outside interference.
There was an ascension event in South America 25,000 years ago, before 4D conditions were the planetary norm. I feel it's possible to reach 6D within 3D cycles using ascension techniques and having certain frequencies boosted with pyramids etc.

(02-03-2021, 12:00 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote: There was an ascension event in South America 25,000 years ago, before 4D conditions were the planetary norm. I feel it's possible to reach 6D within 3D cycles using ascension techniques and having certain frequencies boosted with pyramids etc.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Who says they are more capable?

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: They are here learning, no different than us.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Also the statement seems metaphysically inconsistent IMO. Not even sure I understand it, and I'm not sure why this narrative is of any significance.

Quote:10.1 Questioner: I think it would clarify things for us to go back to the time just before the transfer of souls from Maldek to see how the Law of One operated with respect to this transfer, and why this was necessary. What happened to Maldek, or the people on Maldek, to cause them to lose their planet? How long ago did this occur?

Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere, following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity, or the service to self.

This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war.

The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately seven oh five oh oh oh, seven hundred and five thousand [705,000] of your years ago. (The cycles had begun much, much earlier upon this sphere due to its relative ability to support the first-dimensional life forms at an earlier point in the space/time continuum of your solar system.) These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot, or tangle, of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Approximately six hundred thousand [600,000] of your years ago, the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious. This awareness brought them to the point upon what you would call the lower astral planes where they could be nurtured until each mind/body/spirit complex was able, finally, to be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life-illusion complex.

After this experience of learn/teaching, the group decision was to place upon itself a type of what you may call karma alleviation. For this purpose they came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms. This, then, they have been experiencing until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others.

Since this was the conscious decision of the great majority of those beings in the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately five hundred thousand [500,000] of your years ago, and the type of body complex available at that time was used.

(02-03-2021, 03:09 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Who says they are more capable?

Ra, in the Material.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: They are here learning, no different than us.

They are us.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Also the statement seems metaphysically inconsistent IMO. Not even sure I understand it, and I'm not sure why this narrative is of any significance.

If you haven't understood it, perhaps asking for clarification before positing a hypothesis, would be more beneficial.
I wasn't aware a subject had to be any more or less significant, to be discussed in an open forum.
I'd suggest maybe not posting somewhere that isn't resonating but that's just an option.
Do what thou wilt.

Quote:18.21 Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex, or sub-complex, as elite or different, and better, than other-selves, this one of the techniques of service to self.

(02-03-2021, 03:20 AM)Aion Wrote:

(02-03-2021, 03:09 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Who says they are more capable?

Ra, in the Material.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: They are here learning, no different than us.

They are us.

(02-03-2021, 02:55 AM)zedro Wrote: Also the statement seems metaphysically inconsistent IMO. Not even sure I understand it, and I'm not sure why this narrative is of any significance.

If you haven't understood it, perhaps asking for clarification before positing a hypothesis, would be more beneficial.
I wasn't aware a subject had to be any more or less significant, to be discussed in an open forum.
I'd suggest maybe not posting somewhere that isn't resonating but that's just an option.
Do what thou wilt.

To be fair, the attempt was considered a failure.

Quote:18.21 Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex, or sub-complex, as elite or different, and better, than other-selves, this one of the techniques of service to self.

(02-03-2021, 03:18 AM)Aion Wrote: Which came first, the Totality or the individuation?

Ra from 6D says they don't exist inside time anymore, they "can be with [us] in any of [our] times", where does that leave their "past"? Wherefrom exists progression when you are outside of linear time?

Ra is not "from this system" or any system at all, just like none of us are truly "from" anywhere. They are an endlessly transmuting consciousness which exists eternally, transforming, experiencing and dwelling in unity.

Ra in 6D can be in any time, but is that the only manner by which Ra exists? Ra refers to "wanderers of Ra", apparently individuated portions of the collective, which are incarnate as people on this planet. Apparently, quite a few of them. Yet, if they can wander in 3D, what stops them from being active in 4D and 5D as well?

Anyways, moving beyond the philosophical meanderings, Ra gives their story here.

Quote:10.1 Questioner: I think it would clarify things for us to go back to the time just before the transfer of souls from Maldek to see how the Law of One operated with respect to this transfer, and why this was necessary. What happened to Maldek, or the people on Maldek, to cause them to lose their planet? How long ago did this occur?

Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere, following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity, or the service to self.

This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war.

The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately seven oh five oh oh oh, seven hundred and five thousand [705,000] of your years ago. (The cycles had begun much, much earlier upon this sphere due to its relative ability to support the first-dimensional life forms at an earlier point in the space/time continuum of your solar system.) These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot, or tangle, of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Approximately six hundred thousand [600,000] of your years ago, the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious. This awareness brought them to the point upon what you would call the lower astral planes where they could be nurtured until each mind/body/spirit complex was able, finally, to be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life-illusion complex.

After this experience of learn/teaching, the group decision was to place upon itself a type of what you may call karma alleviation. For this purpose they came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms. This, then, they have been experiencing until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others.

Since this was the conscious decision of the great majority of those beings in the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately five hundred thousand [500,000] of your years ago, and the type of body complex available at that time was used.

So it seems the Confederation did have an interaction and tried to aid Maldek after they self-sploded themselves and became an asteroid belt, but Ra makes it sound like "y'know, before I joined the team", so makes you wonder at what point Ra became part of the Confederation and what they were doing in the meantime, hmmm.

(02-03-2021, 03:53 AM)Aion Wrote: What gave Yahweh the idea that "larger and stronger" would mean "capable of grasping the Law of One", I wonder?

Perhaps a suggestion that the consciousnesses which inhabited said bodies were not yet mature enough to be humble in their power? Sounds like the nephilim.

(02-08-2021, 12:28 AM)unity100 Wrote: Ra's 3d being ~4 billion years ago makes them being Maldekians impossible.

(02-09-2021, 01:41 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-08-2021, 12:28 AM)unity100 Wrote: Ra's 3d being ~4 billion years ago makes them being Maldekians impossible.

Is it possible that their 3D experience was one with no veil, where they were simultaneously incarnated on all planets of the logos?
If there existed a time with no veil, perhaps they were one aspect of an interplanetary conglomerate.

(02-09-2021, 12:21 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(02-09-2021, 01:41 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-08-2021, 12:28 AM)unity100 Wrote: Ra's 3d being ~4 billion years ago makes them being Maldekians impossible.

Is it possible that their 3D experience was one with no veil, where they were simultaneously incarnated on all planets of the logos?
If there existed a time with no veil, perhaps they were one aspect of an interplanetary conglomerate.

Ra extensively speaks about their 3d veil experience and tells how they used tarot and sex as polarization vehicles to work through it.