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Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-21-2021
I have been contemplating a fair amount on the concept of transience, especially as it has been discussed on the forum a lot recently. More particularly talking about "transient" vs "non-transient" material. I would like to, as Ra might say, offer a slightly different slant on this concept for your consideration. My intention is to hopefully offer a more wholistic view of the idea.
To do this I will mostly be using sound and music as an analogy. I will do my best to keep the language accessible and explain myself in "layman's terms".
First, some definitions of 'transient':
Quote:1a: passing especially quickly into and out of existence : TRANSITORY
transient beauty
b: passing through or by a place with only a brief stay or sojourn
transient visitors
2: affecting something or producing results beyond itself
From Merriam-Webster
Quote:adjective
lasting only for a short time; impermanent.
"a transient cold spell"
staying or working in a place for only a short time.
"the transient nature of the labor force in catering"
noun
1.
a person who is staying or working in a place for only a short time.
2.
a momentary variation in current, voltage, or frequency.
From google
Thus, it can be see that the antonym or opposite word is thus - eternal.
In between these two we have a sustaining, something which starts, stays for awhile, and then passes along. These three elements have many parallels in various religious/spiritual teachings but I am not going to lean too heavily in to those.
In truth, these three are one. A beginning, middle and end. The end is eternal, for it is where all beginnings arise. Beginnings are momentary, they occur in a flash. The middle speaks the story, it is the life of the beginning and the end. Yet, they cannot be found without each other, they are unified.
"The Three are Two, the Two are One, the One is None."
This is the life spark, it is a formula for a soul.
It is an archetype of expression which can be utilized as a model for consciousness to express itself in a 'balanced' or rather wholistic manner.
That is to say, an entity which sees and knows its beginning, middle and end, knows itself well. How then is infinity to know itself?
It is eternally beginning, sustaining and ending, these are the breath of the universe. This is the pulse that beats and gives life form.
In sound, we have a similar structure (and I believe the principle can be laid across various aspects of physics), of transient (also called attack), sustain and decay.
In short, the transient is the initial "birth" or beginning of a sound, marked by a jump in energy. Then the note or sound as it rings and resonates is the sustain. Then the process of the sound diminishing and returning to silence is the decay. These things are not separate, they are just different aspects of the waveform or sound.
Music utilizes all three of these in varying degrees, or rather music is created out of sounds which innately have these traits. More precisely it is vibration and frequency which 'has' these properties and all sounds are collections of frequencies, which are basically "rates of vibration". Music is an artful attempt to arrange these in pleasing manners.
The same is true of conversation, whether it be in text or verbal. Even the written word, every single word has a frequency or vibration, and further, I believe that there is something of the writer's 'vibration' that lingers with every word that is written by a particular entity. We see all these words and definitions, but to me, it is the music of ideas. These words are just a way of sharing our vibrations with each other, a way of sharing in thought.
Coming back around to the thought that started this thread, what is "transient" vs "non-transient" material? By these definitions, transient discusses those things which are impermanent. However, this still leaves more to be explored.
I found this very interesting quote that actually puts us right in the direction I was intending to go.
Quote:39.6 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me— can you interpret a transmission from “The Nine,” where they say “CH is a principle which is the revealing principle of knowledge and law?” Can you tell me what that principle is?
Ra: I am Ra. The principle so veiled in that statement is but the simple principle of the constant or Creator and the transient or the incarnate being and the yearning existing between the two, one for the other, in love and light amidst the distortions of free will acting upon the illusion-bound entity.
I think that's just beautiful, tbh. However, this description of "the constant [] and the transient", the Creator and the incarnate being, perfectly sits with what I'm trying to get at.
The transient and the constant are woven together, yearning for eachother. It is the transient which is "illusion-bound". Thus we have that the Creator is eternal.
When Ra distinguishes between transient and "non-transient" information, it seems to me that it tends to be the difference between the conversation moving towards the Law of One which is eternal, or about, as the word suggests "impermanent" things, which are transient. However, this discussion of the Law of One tends towards all those distortions which were towards increased awareness of the Law of One.
Yet, it is often the transient material which "heads" the non-transient. There are times when Ra shared transient material for practical and useful purposes. In the eyes of Ra, a "most severe psychic attack" is still transient material. So, I think that perhaps it is not the best measure for human discussions, personally.
Quote:57.1 Questioner: Could you first give me an indication of the instrument’s condition, please?
Ra: I am Ra. This instrument is under a most severe psychic attack. This instrument is bearing up well due to replenished vital energies and a distortion towards a sense of proportion which your peoples call a sense of humor.
This attack is potentially disruptive to this contact for a brief period of your space/time.
57.2 Questioner: Is there anything in particular that we can do in addition to what we are doing to alleviate this attack?
Ra: I am Ra. There is nothing you can do to alleviate the attack. The understanding of its mechanism might be of aid.
57.3 Questioner: Could you tell us its mechanism?
Ra: I am Ra. The Orion group cannot interfere directly but only through pre-existing distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes.
Thus in this case, this entity reached for an heavy object with one hand and this miscalculated action caused a deformation or distortion of the skeletal/muscular structure of one of this instrument’s appendages.
Your aid may be helpful in supporting this instrument in the proper care of this distortion which is equivalent to what you call your post-operative state when bones are not firmly knit. This instrument needs to be aware of care necessary to avoid such miscalculated actions and your support in this state of awareness is noted and encouraged.
57.4 Questioner: Is there anything that we can specifically do to alleviate the problem that is already existing?
Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless, thus we share it though it is transient, lacking the principle but only offering a specific transient effect.
The wrist area should be wrapped as in the sprained configuration, as you call this distortion, and what you call a sling may be used on this distorted right side of the body complex for one diurnal period. At that time symptoms, as you call these distortions, shall be reviewed and such repeated until the distortion is alleviated.
The healing work to which each is apprentice may be used as desired.
It is to be noted that a crystal is available.
I love so many things about this as a demonstrative idea. Carla was under attack, but was basically handling it well because she had a good sense of humour. Ra is basically like "y'all can tell her to be more careful" and there's like a little bit of self back-talk where "your support [] is noted and encouraged". Like Carla knows she needs to be told to take it easy.
Then Ra basically gives like, a basic first aid instruction and then encourages them to use the healing techniques Ra has been teaching them. All in all, it is actually a sort of mundane exchange, and the material is full of these kinds of things.
The thing is though, the material wouldn't be the same without these bits. It would be less human, it wouldn't have the same sense of completeness and humanity reaching out to something greater and awe-inspiring. Actually, I think it is the transient material that acts as a contrast to make the non-transient material really stick out, like yin and yang. In music, these moments are where things are defined, where you hear sounds "as themselves" instead of just being a muddle.
Coming back to the musical analogy, the transient is the 'entryway', and in the context of conversation, it's those little bits of small talk, humour, interaction and care which helps open us up to eachother so that we can discuss the deeper, eternal things. These transients act as signposts for how we are all doing and what is going on in our lives. They are moments where our most human selves actually make an appearance.
What I think can be done, is these transients can be used as a way to lean in to the eternal. All of the discussion regarding the eternal is made up of many transients, which together create a music of thought. Between all these transients are the sustained and eternal ideas, the "reading between the lines" that we all must do in order to gain a grasp or sight of the divine.
So I offer to you, think of how the transient and the eternal can be interwoven in love, for they long to be together, to work together and to exist in bonded unity. For the illusion-bound entity is seeking the mystery-clad being, and when they find each other infinity is revealed at last.
(Okay, I went a little beyond sound and music, but c'ie la vie.)
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Diana - 01-21-2021
(01-21-2021, 03:26 AM)Aion Wrote: So I offer to you, think of how the transient and the eternal can be interwoven in love, for they long to be together, to work together and to exist in bonded unity. For the illusion-bound entity is seeking the mystery-clad being, and when they find each other infinity is revealed at last.
(Okay, I went a little beyond sound and music, but c'ie la vie.)
Your whole post above is so well thought out and eloquently put.
I have never thought focus on spirit while thinking the mundane (transient) is meaningless was a good idea. Why are we here? Why is anybody here? To me, it is all meaningful. The smallest event in one's life might be the largest step toward a greater awareness, a giant step along one's path. But that is not to say small steps or steps backward have less meaning. As in your music analogy, it is all part of an orchestration which evolves organically as each "instrument" plays, tunes, breaks out in a solo, leaves the band...
Ra's quote about not getting caught up in the maelstrom comes to mind. But that does not mean there is nothing here in this transient life that matters. As you said, the eternal and the transient work together, and it can be shown, as you also pointed out, that the transient are steps along the path—so how does one separate the path from the steps from the destination?
In this world, time is linear, and so we are used to separating moments out into points in a (life) line. The greater view of time is that the linear element is lost within an unfathomable, dynamic "soup" of oneness. Everything effects every other thing. There is no separation. There may be degrees of affectation depending on how transient something is, but it still has an effect.
I think, perhaps, it comes down to balance. Being aware of both the accountability and responsibility in the transience of this life, and the eternal nature of existence, without getting too caught up in either (in effect ignoring one or the other), is more in balance. Ignoring something is resisting it. Catalyst may be transient to varying degrees, but it all needs to be processed or it causes blockages, which affects the path, which affects existence.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Patrick - 01-21-2021
The sacramental nature of all aspects of the Creation...
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Minyatur - 01-21-2021
The material does have a bit of a harsh to accept view in regards to the transient. This quote comes to mind:
Ra Wrote:This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.
Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.
Then again, I think the context of the material might be of importance to understand why they seem to impose this view. First of all, they are messengers of the Law of One and so have a purpose of their own in sharing what pertains to the Law of One. As can be read in the quote, that is the message they bring. Also, every session depletes the energy of Carla and I do think they aimed for Don to respect this offering and focus on why they are making this contact with them. So it might really just be a way to hint to Don that he is wasting Carla's vital energy and the time they have for the contact.
These circumstances do not really apply to the forum in denying a place for the more transient stuff.. If Ra really thought transient things are of no importance, then why would they make contact with transient creatures such as us? Will we not merely wither and die, while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity? Seems to me like it's really just about a matter of the context and circumstances of the contact.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-21-2021
It is actually worth noting that throughout the material it is DON who uses, and introduced, the word 'transient' to the conversation. I think this is incredibly revealing as to the place of this word in the material, and that it is much more Don's idea than Ra's.
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=transient&o=s
It first appears here, followed by a very clear definition of what Don considers transient:
Quote:27.3 Questioner: Thank you very much. I will now proceed with the process of starting the second book of The Law of One. This, I will assume, will be a much more difficult task than the first book because we want to focus on things that are not transient, and as questioner I may have difficulty at times.
When I do have this difficulty I may fall back on some partially transient questions simply because I will not be able to formulate what I really need to formulate, and I apologize for this, but I will try my best to stay on the track and eliminate things of no value from the book if they do occur during my questioning.
The statement I will make to begin with I have written. It is: Most entities in this density focus their minds on some transient condition or activity with little regard to its value as a tool or an aid to their growth and understanding of the true or undistorted essence of the creation of which they are an integral part.
We will attempt, by starting at the beginning of creation, to establish an overview of ourselves in the creation, thereby arriving at a more informed point of inspection of what we consider to be reality. It is hoped that this process will allow us to participate more effectively in the process of evolution.
I would like to start with definitions of words that we have been using that possibly we have not— and possibly cannot— totally understand, but since the first words that we use are intelligent infinity, I would like for you to define each of these words and give me the definition of their combination.
Ra: I am Ra. Your vibrations of mind complex indicate a query. However, your vibrational sound complex indicate a preference. Please restate.
Quote:37.4 Questioner: I have been very hesitant to ask certain questions for fear that they would be regarded, as I regard them, as questions of unimportance or too great a specificity and thereby reduce our contact with you. In order to disseminate some of the information that I consider to be of extreme importance; that is, the non-transient type of information, information having to do with the evolution of mind, body, and spirit, it seems almost necessary in our society to include information that is of little value simply because that’s how our… our society works and… how the system of distribution appraises that which is offered for distribution. Could you comm— Will… will you comment on this problem that I have?
Ra: I am Ra. We comment as follows: It is quite precisely correct that the level and purity of this contact is dependent upon the level and purity of information sought. Thusly, the continued requests for specific information from this particular source is deleterious to the substance of your purpose. Moreover, as we scanned your mind to grasp your situation as regards the typescript of some of our words, we found that you had been criticized for the type of language construction used to convey data. Due to our orientation with regard to data, even the most specifically answered question would be worded by our group in such a way as to maximize the accuracy of the nuances of the answer. This, however, mitigates against what your critic desires in the way of simple, lucid prose. More than this we cannot say. These are our observations of your situation. What you wish to do is completely your decision and we remain at your service in whatever way we may be without breaking the Way of Confusion.
Interestingly, like the way transients in music provide definition, Ra avoids "specificity" in the same way, thus "smoothing the transient". In music, to "get rid of a transient", you actually just smooth it out, you take the edge and impact off so it blends with the other sounds. It loses definition, but it mixes in.
Actually, the only time Ra uses the word transient not in response to a query about something transient by Don is when they refer to the 'incarnate being' as the 'transient'.
I think there are some very revealing things there. It looks to me like, as it says, what was important or transient seemed largely interpreted through Don's lens. (Actually in one quote Ra specifically comments to transience, but does not consider it 'unimportant'.)
Quote:51.2 Questioner: Thank you. This next question I feel to be a transient type of question; however, it has been asked me by one whom I have communicated with who has been intensely involved in the UFO portion of the phenomenon. If you deem it too transient or unimportant we’ll skip it, but I have been asked how is it possible for the craft of, shall we say, the fourth-density to get here in that it seems that as you approach the velocity of light mass approaches infinite. We have talked about the increase of spiritual mass and it was just a question as to how this transition from very distant planets is made in craft and my question would be why craft would be necessary at all? This is not an important question.
Ra: I am Ra. You have asked several questions. We shall respond in turn.
Firstly, we agree that this material is transient.
Secondly, those for the most part coming from distant points, as you term them, do not need craft as you know them. The query itself requires understanding which you do not possess. We shall attempt to state what may be stated.
Firstly, there are a few third-density entities who have learned how to use craft to travel between star systems while experiencing the limitations you now understand. However, such entities have learned to use hydrogen in a way different from your understanding now. These entities still take quite long durations of time, as you measure it, to move about. However, these entities are able to use hypothermia to slow the physical and mental complex processes in order to withstand the duration of flight. Those such as are from Sirius are of this type. There are two other types.
One is the type which, coming from fourth, fifth, or sixth density in your own galaxy, has access to a type of energy system which uses the speed of light as a slingshot and thus arrives where it wishes without any perceptible time elapsed in your view.
The other type of experience is that of fourth, fifth, and sixth densities of other galaxies and some within your own galaxy which have learned the necessary disciplines of personality to view the universe as one being and, therefore, are able to proceed from locus to locus by thought alone, materializing the necessary craft, if you will, to enclose the light body of the entity.
So Ra agrees it is transient, doesn't actually say anything about its importance, but then proceeds to answer the question anyways.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Patrick - 01-21-2021
I wonder if the grass is in great sorrow until it withers?
My understanding is that things in the Creation are in joy when doing what they were created to do.
It is actually the same for us. We just have to figure out what each of us was created for.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-21-2021
There is an old saying about guardian angels that even every blade of grass has an angel watching over it, urging it to grow, live and thrive.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - flofrog - 01-21-2021
I loved the music parallel Aion.
I feel like the transient could be the foam on the top of the wave crashing, we filter it and then it melts into the wave again.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - KaliSouth - 01-22-2021
As we move from transient situation to transient situation, are we not helping the Creator (i.e. ourselves) learn about all the possibilities of its existence?
The possibilities are those that move far away from the love and light (the negative path), those that seek to move closer to the light and love of the Creator, and those that have truly been "lost" for a time under the veil and are seeking meaning without remembering their divine nature.
All of these infinite parts can be frustrating to some of us who are in 3D, but ultimately as we move into higher dimensions we may achieve a better understanding of the role of the transient.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Raukura Waihaha - 01-22-2021
I've been contemplating the ideas of transient and eternal lately.
It seems that a perception of events unfolding is what creates transience.
If you existed as eternal oneness, there would be no change.
Everything that isn't one with all that is, is transient.
It seems that transience is the one infinite creator experiencing this illusory separation.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Louisabell - 01-22-2021
(01-21-2021, 03:26 AM)Aion Wrote:Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The principle so veiled in that statement is but the simple principle of the constant or Creator and the transient or the incarnate being and the yearning existing between the two, one for the other, in love and light amidst the distortions of free will acting upon the illusion-bound entity.
That is a seriously beautiful quote.
It would seem that all departures from infinity have a transient quality, including us - the illusion bound entity. So, could it be thought that all transient material has its own life, its own self-contained illusion, like a mini-creation within a creation? A story within a story, which also exists within another greater story, and so on until we reach the greatest story of them all. And at each level, maybe there can be found a reflection of the whole, so that each bit of transience speaks to something of our humanity, our divinity and what lies inbetween.
It can be said that the devil is in the details. But it is also true that love is found in the beholding and cherishing of the countless, unique flaws and imperfections which make us us. These are the small details I never want to forget ... we're all just dreamers, dreaming away, anyways.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - meadow-foreigner - 01-22-2021
Very perceptive and well-written topic. Though I haven't got anything particularly useful to add to the conversation, I'd like to congratulate Aion for the time and effort spent in processing and sharing these considerations.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - flofrog - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 10:34 AM)Louisabell Wrote:(01-21-2021, 03:26 AM)Aion Wrote:Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The principle so veiled in that statement is but the simple principle of the constant or Creator and the transient or the incarnate being and the yearning existing between the two, one for the other, in love and light amidst the distortions of free will acting upon the illusion-bound entity.
That is a seriously beautiful quote.
It would seem that all departures from infinity have a transient quality, including us - the illusion bound entity. So, could it be thought that all transient material has its own life, its own self-contained illusion, like a mini-creation within a creation? A story within a story, which also exists within another greater story, and so on until we reach the greatest story of them all. And at each level, maybe there can be found a reflection of the whole, so that each bit of transience speaks to something of our humanity, our divinity and what lies inbetween.
It can be said that the devil is in the details. But it is also true that love is found in the beholding and cherishing of the countless, unique flaws and imperfections which make us us. These are the small details I never want to forget ... we're all just dreamers, dreaming away, anyways.
that's seriously beautiful too Louisabell, thank you
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-22-2021
I'm glad this topic has found some resonance for people, I appreciate everyone's additional thoughts.
I would like to add to Louisabell's thought regarding a "reflection of the whole in each level", which essentially touches the holographic concept of reality.
I believe that that "reflection" or that piece of the whole which resides in all is what Ra refers to as the Original Thought.
Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the Original Thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.
Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator.
As It decides to know Itself, It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator, which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself.
Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the One Original Thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.
In silence lies every possible frequency, waiting to be called out and resonate. When a sound arises, the silence becomes the sound, it 'activates' or 'actuates' and then sustains until it decays away, returning once again to the silence. So is the life of the transient incarnate being.
Yet, without these sounds, there is no music, there is no life.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Bring4th_Austin - 01-24-2021
As they say,
"Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water."
I think this is a very meaningful conversation that has a lot of nuance. As you point out, Aion, it's typically Don using the word "transient," and I think as a culture, Law of One students picked that up as a way to discuss focus on different types of information, placing higher importance on some. Perhaps that isn't the best use of language.
Ra did, however, often use the word "unimportant" to describe things that...well, their words, "Thus, you will find our statements, at times, to be those which imply that a question is unimportant. This is due to our perception that the given question is unimportant." (Thanks Ra
)But in light of your point about the value of transient or "unimportant" information, I've always thought that no matter how transient or unimportant, Ra would try to expose a thread that could be pulled to dig deeper. An example would be in the quote you reference from session 51 when Don was asking about specific methods that UFOs and various entities use to travel through the universe. When bringing it up, Don said it was "unimportant," and Ra agreed "that this material is transient."
Yet Ra dropped a hint, referencing how disciplines of the personality relate to travel for higher density beings. In the next session, Don pulled that thread to reveal a much deeper topic for exploration, and Ra praised his perception, saying "You penetrate the outer teaching."
The seemingly unimportant and transient topic of how these wacky aliens travel through the universe unfolded into a meaningful conversation about the disciplines of the personality and the nature of the self in relationship to technology and the universe. And by exploring the question deeper, Ra was able to talk about the issue in a way that could become analogous to our current journey, and not just about how UFOs get about.
I think this is a poignant example of your point about the "transient" and "non-transient" being interwoven, and while Ra seemed to want to dissuade Don from "unimportant" information, there's always opportunity to see the whole creation reflected in the most seemingly minor details.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-24-2021
That is precisely the type of example I was trying to illuminate, thanks for expanding the sentiment.
ALL HAIL THE POWER OF THE SEGUE!
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Raukura Waihaha - 01-24-2021
It feels to me like Ra sees transient information as less important because their agenda is the dissemination of the Law of One. This is a 6D perspective which means anything regarding 3-5D would be outside the scope of their focus.
I don't feel that the information was unimportant from our perspective, just to a being who chooses a 6D perspective.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Sacred Fool - 01-25-2021
(01-21-2021, 03:26 AM)Aion Wrote: I have been contemplating a fair amount on the concept of transience, especially as it has been discussed on the forum a lot recently. More particularly talking about "transient" vs "non-transient" material.
Yes, that's a good topic for discussion.
above Wrote:57.4 Questioner: Is there anything that we can specifically do to alleviate the problem that is already existing?
Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless, thus we share it though it is transient, lacking the principle but only offering a specific transient effect.
To me, this is the essence of the distinction between a question of transient importance and one of deeper importance: the deeper engagement is born of deep seeking, seeking the Eternal.
In my view, temporality has nothing to do with it, per se. The fact that something is brief or enduring is a mere fact; the key here is the quality of engagement.
William Blake Wrote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
Happily for us all, Prof. Elkins, an unusually deep seeker, understood--especially after Ra pointed it out--that the quality of the work done is proportional to the quality of the engagement, and in this case that entails steering away from questions "lacking the principle but offering a transient effect."
From 37.4 supra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We comment as follows: It is quite precisely correct that the level and purity of this contact is dependent upon the level and purity of information sought. Thusly, the continued requests for specific information from this particular source is deleterious to the substance of your purpose.
As far as these forums are concerned, I feel its a fair guess that the quality of the work done here is a reflection of the quality of the yearning for the Eternal. That is, threads which move towards deeper engagement raise the vibration, moving in the upward spiral, while threads which spin around, digging ruts in circles of conspiracy theories or ceaseless complaining muddy the vibration.
Just my perspective.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-25-2021
I changed my mind how I am going to deliver this energy.
It's true that focus is very important and I think key to any kind of movement in consciousness, collective or individual.
What would the focus of "seeking the Eternal" look like to different people I wonder?
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Sacred Fool - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:37 AM)Aion Wrote: What would the focus of "seeking the Eternal" look like to different people I wonder?
Hmm, well, perhaps that would, in part, differ according to a person's level of polarization? That is, according to the percentage of self which is focused upon that particular task.
So, it might be a generalized feeling of desire (I have certainly experienced that) or it could be more akin to feeling like a force of nature, such as heated air arising continuously from a kind of "burning bush" within one's gut, where the desire-to-serve-driven energy sweeps upward one's variegated fragments of being towards to heart and then towards the indigo energy center, there to enjoy communion with Divinity.
What would you say?
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Aion - 01-25-2021
It's true that it will be different for everyone, and your description is apt and poetic, at least in the sense of what it seems you are reaching for.
I think it is revealed in people's interests, passions and curiosities. To me, any focus taken deeply enough will lead you to the Creator, the Eternal. That, to me, is the essence of the "infinite holographic nature". So I am still trying to figure out what this means in the context of having discussions on an online forum.
Quite simply, I think Eternity is somewhat ineffable to those of us on this plane. I think at best we can talk around it, and seeking towards it is a a very personal journey of self-discovery. Personally, stuff like metaphysics, philosophy, etc, even though I believe these are attempts to get closer to the divine and are fun to talk about, I actually think the most profound connection to a sense of the eternal I've ever experienced has been in stillness and silence. So, that tells me that discussion maybe isn't a tool I would choose to use to move closer to feel eternity, although others may differ, some may very much connect to divinity through conversation. However, I have a hard time defining that without having to go on a case by case, individual to individual basis.
Rather, even though I discuss philosophy, my goal in conversation is to get closer to people and thereby reach the Eternal. Therefore I suppose I am easily pleased, for I see the Eternal in All.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - hounsic - 01-25-2021
I live in Sedona and have easy access to the outdoors so for me being present in nature is my favorite activity. Truly feel one with creation at least for a little bit.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Louisabell - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:37 AM)Aion Wrote: I changed my mind how I am going to deliver this energy.So this foray into the transience was also somewhat transient?
It's true that focus is very important and I think key to any kind of movement in consciousness, collective or individual.
Thinking more on this subject in context of the Ra Material - Ultimately for me, the Law of One is a philosophy of self-empowerment. I have found it rich in teachings that offer total responsibility for one’s self, one’s evolution and one’s destiny. As far as I can see, that which Ra referred to as important is that which is full of potential in expanding consciousness and providing instruction that strike at the heart of meaningful spiritual practice.
That which Ra labels the unimportant and the transient is information that is simply consumed and not much else. How many times do you need to read the quotes about the Men In Black and underground bases until it outgrows its appeal? Moreover, where is the call to action? What sense of personal responsibility can be found there? Maybe this information could be useful in attempting to play the planetary game, but that’s not what Ra was about.
On the other hand, the “non-transient” philosophy offered in the Law of One is a type of living text for me. It points to that which you must take upon yourself to experience, and when you do put the philosophy into practice, those magical personal experiences do come. These experiences then give a whole new meaning and light to the written words. The text evolves alongside you, and you notice things that you didn’t/couldn’t notice before. Quotes which once seemed only sentimental in nature to me, now appear to be much more literal. The concept of intelligent infinity has also changed a lot for me over the years (of course one cannot have a complete concept of intelligent infinity, but one can try). With each new articulated iteration, all the interlinking and interwoven concepts in the text are also illuminated in similar intensity. And I suppose that is why after many years, I am still excited to read the Ra Material. It is an utterly non-transient text to me in my life. I don’t think I will ever grow bored of it.
But at the same time, not everyone will take to the call of personal evolution as readily as others. So, what can appear like stagnation from the outside may actually be what is exactly needed on someone else’s path. So who can say that another is only circling?
(01-25-2021, 01:37 AM)Aion Wrote: What would the focus of "seeking the Eternal" look like to different people I wonder?
This one is tricky for me to define. To ‘seek the Eternal’ is to seek that which is our very Self in the truest sense. The incomplete entity (which we all are), by virtue of its very nature of needing to feel whole, must seek the completion of itself. So in that way, I see that the "seeking the Eternal'' is all that we ever do. It just may look a little confused from the outside because we’re all looking in the strangest places for that which will make us whole again.
And I agree that words can have limited use in seeking the Eternal.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Diana - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 11:31 AM)Louisabell Wrote: That which Ra labels the unimportant and the transient is information that is simply consumed and not much else. How many times do you need to read the quotes about the Men In Black and underground bases until it outgrows its appeal? Moreover, where is the call to action? What sense of personal responsibility can be found there? Maybe this information could be useful in attempting to play the planetary game, but that’s not what Ra was about.
This is a good point about Ra, as others have also pointed out. Ra was a messenger of the LOO. It doesn't follow that because they concentrated on their specific message that other aspects of this reality are not important—especially in getting to the point where one can even absorb the idea of unity.
Everyone is different. For example, many members have said they came here by way of David Wilcock, UFO studies, etc., which may be labeled as "transient" material, but it got them to the Ra Material and the LOO. So to extrapolate, the average person who is immersed in the human drama will come across a variety of prompts to open up the consciousness—and much or all of this may be "transient."
So is the transient important? Yes, in that it is part of the path. But also, and I think this is equally important, why not have some fun along the way? We are in this world, and it is rich with endless experience. Why limit oneself to only one way of thinking, one way of experiencing. One's consciousness is what it is at any given moment. I personally am pretty detached from the human drama, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a well-made movie or go to a MUFON meeting and have fun hearing someone speak about UFOs.
I like the idea of naturally, organically, moving along one's path, because that is—in my view—more accepting; whereas limiting oneself to just the "eternal" may involve resistance of the transient. One eventually, naturally, moves away from the transient—so allowing that organic process is perhaps the best way to progress.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Sacred Fool - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 11:58 AM)Diana Wrote: So is the transient important? Yes, in that it is part of the path. But also, and I think this is equally important, why not have some fun along the way?
As I tried to illustrate above with the Blake quote and Ra quotes, from a spiritual perspective, the distinction between transient and non-transient material may be more apparent than real. The real distinction may be the degree of fullness of engagement within the entity with whatever the subject matter is. So, one can engage in a transient manner with deep stuff or in an deeply integrated manner with seemingly trivial stuff. And, sure, one can just take a break from all this highfalutin jabbering and just relax and have a little fun. Why not, indeed? But even then, the opportunity for deeper engagement may well arise. To take it or not is an individual choice, of course. I would suggest again that polarity may be a telltale factor in such decision making.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Patrick - 01-25-2021
It's just that with channeled material, it seems that requesting what is considered transient detunes the channel. I'm not sure what the rules are, but there seems to be rules governing this sort of information exchange.
Otherwise, anyone could hack into "reality" and bypass any measure of obfuscation simply by requesting the information from those of higher densities who can fully see 3D without filters.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - sillypumpkins - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:37 AM)Aion Wrote: What would the focus of "seeking the Eternal" look like to different people I wonder?
this is a fun question to think about it. i am finding it hard to put into words. i think peregrine sacred fool put it well. i especially agree with his bit about how it's "all we ever do." So it's kind of hard to like, put into words when "seeking the Eternal" is almost like a default mode of being.
personally? the focus of my "seeking" is tied into the transient in some ways. in a shallow way, though. in that, when i'm outside and I hear a bird in the trees, while that might be a fleeting, transient sort of event, it is of course tied into the Eternal. Hearing the beautiful birds sing...... i don't know what to say about it! hahahahaha. It's just like.... beautiful. It helps me to remember. Same with people. I have a friend who I just adore. The other day, I was on the phone with her and I just became enamored with like, All of it. I mean, what triggered it was my friend venting to me about something, and she was sort of getting into a "logic loop" about it. Which is a classic thing that my friend does. So I just felt like this adoration for this little thing that my friend does, and yet, it wasn't even about my friend. It was about the Eternal, I think
(01-25-2021, 12:11 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(01-25-2021, 11:58 AM)Diana Wrote: So is the transient important? Yes, in that it is part of the path. But also, and I think this is equally important, why not have some fun along the way?
As I tried to illustrate above with the Blake quote and Ra quotes, from a spiritual perspective, the distinction between transient and non-transient material may be more apparent than real. The real distinction may be the degree of fullness of engagement within the entity with whatever the subject matter is. So, one can engage in a transient manner with deep stuff or in an deeply integrated manner with seemingly trivial stuff. And, sure, one can just take a break from all this highfalutin jabbering and just relax and have a little fun. Why not, indeed? But even then, the opportunity for deeper engagement may well arise. To take it or not is an individual choice, of course. I would suggest again that polarity may be a telltale factor in such decision making.
yesss.... I love what you're pointing out here. It's not even about the "material"!! It never was. It's always about HOW we are engaging with the world, not WHAT we are engaging with.
as the great little richard once said: "it's not what you do, it's the way how you do it!"
A few years ago, I embarked on a mushroom journey (high dose, dark room, silence) and there was one message that pervaded the whole experience, and that was: IT'S ALL DOWN TO YOU! Period. Your post reminded me of that.
This thread is fun I'm gonna keep checking back in
peace
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Sacred Fool - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:31 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: personally? the focus of my "seeking" is tied into the transient in some ways. in a shallow way, though. in that, when i'm outside and I hear a bird in the trees, while that might be a fleeting, transient sort of event, it is of course tied into the Eternal. Hearing the beautiful birds sing...... i don't know what to say about it! hahahahaha. It's just like.... beautiful.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd point to this passage to say it's really about the vibrational quality, that's why it can seem silly (ahem). It's not made to flow into discursive thought, therefore we ofttimes simply dismiss it or walk away from it without giving it its due appreciation. This also speaks to Patrick's question above about "rules" and to Aion's comment about experiencing the Eternal in silence when there just ain't much to say about it. It's not a words thing, although we can try to copy it in words; it's a felt experience-of-vibration thing.
This is exactly why some people read the Ra Material despite the difficult lingo and the start-stop questioning style and all the other impediments. It's the vibrational quality which speaks to us, despite the words sometimes. I would say, also, that that's possibly what Blake was pointing to in that excerpt: if you can tune into a vibrational state which resonates through All (rather than your conscious awareness getting caught in loops of logic, emotion or whatever), then a connected whole seems to sway and dance together as one complex wave form (to return to the audio analogy).
I'm not trying to say that it's an all or nothing proposition, by any means, but your transient enjoyment of your friend's vibrational pattern triggered in you a broader appreciation of the entire phenomenon, in a transitory way. And so, we move along step by step into deeper and deeper engagement with phenomenal being crossed with eternal being.
This comes back to Louisabell's comments about responsibility....but I'm out of time....which is so darned transient!!!
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Diana - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:17 PM)Patrick Wrote: It's just that with channeled material, it seems that requesting what is considered transient detunes the channel. I'm not sure what the rules are, but there seems to be rules governing this sort of information exchange.
That makes logical sense from more than one perspective. Anytime you veer from a particular focus, or water down that focus with related foci, it gets less "in tune" with the original focus.
From a channeling point of view, the more aligned the channel with the channeled—following the idea of tuning into a radio frequency—the clearer the message. Also, the farther off the alignment, I imagine the more energy is expended in receiving clear messages.
But channeling is quite different from living life. That is not to say that one who channels shouldn't align one's life as closely as possible in intent and action with the desired information, as Carla points out in her channeling handbook. It's just that life includes more possibilities to learn and grow consciously than concentrating on one avenue only.
RE: Transient, Sustained and Eternal - Minyatur - 01-25-2021
(01-25-2021, 01:17 PM)Patrick Wrote: It's just that with channeled material, it seems that requesting what is considered transient detunes the channel. I'm not sure what the rules are, but there seems to be rules governing this sort of information exchange.
I left out the first part of the quote I posted earlier in the thread which touches this:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.
It can make sense that giving importance to specific information detunes a message about the infinite. The infinite is more about that any possibility/probability complex has an existence.
(01-25-2021, 01:37 AM)Aion Wrote: What would the focus of "seeking the Eternal" look like to different people I wonder?
To me it really has been about seeking the mystery, foremost of my own existence and the Universe's existence.
The transient, that which begins and ends, reflects finitely the mystery. Even Octaves bloom only to wither and die in their season to offer a finite reflection of the Eternal. This seeking then seems achieved through change or growth in all its forms. For a 3D entity it is tied to realizing the self and its environment through self-awareness. For a 6D entity, it seems to be through seeking the Law of Foreverness.