(11-02-2021, 09:08 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Can anyone recommend a credible source for information on long-term side effects of the vaccines (as opposed to the "long-haul" covid cases)? 

I've been looking, and I find anecdotal stories from people (and their specific symptoms). Yet, the medical establishment seems to be saying (in short) no real long-lasting side effects except in very rare cases. But that doesn't match what some people are experiencing. 

I wonder if science doesn't know, and hasn't caught up, yet because these vaccines were developed and distributed so quickly.

I got two doses of a covid vaccine. The second dose took me down: horrible, debilitating pain in my joints. I could not move any part of my body without crumpling in pain. I was bed-ridden for 2 days, and had to crawl very slowly, with tears streaming from the pain, to the bathroom to get OTC pain medicine.

I now have lingering joint pain (esp in my knees). And, I'm wondering: could it be related to the vaccine? It feels like my body is in a semi-inflammatory state ... not as bad as it was right after the dose, but a lingering heightened immune response. That's the best way I can describe it.

I apologize for asking for this specific information, because I bet one of you dear friends already has asked/received it. But there are 64 pages of this thread?!? And, I'm late to the party.

Thanks in advance.

(11-02-2021, 09:08 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Can anyone recommend a credible source for information on long-term side effects of the vaccines (as opposed to the "long-haul" covid cases)? 

I've been looking, and I find anecdotal stories from people (and their specific symptoms). Yet, the medical establishment seems to be saying (in short) no real long-lasting side effects except in very rare cases. But that doesn't match what some people are experiencing. 

I wonder if science doesn't know, and hasn't caught up, yet because these vaccines were developed and distributed so quickly.

I got two doses of a covid vaccine. The second dose took me down: horrible, debilitating pain in my joints. I could not move any part of my body without crumpling in pain. I was bed-ridden for 2 days, and had to crawl very slowly, with tears streaming from the pain, to the bathroom to get OTC pain medicine.

I now have lingering joint pain (esp in my knees). And, I'm wondering: could it be related to the vaccine? It feels like my body is in a semi-inflammatory state ... not as bad as it was right after the dose, but a lingering heightened immune response. That's the best way I can describe it.

I apologize for asking for this specific information, because I bet one of you dear friends already has asked/received it. But there are 64 pages of this thread?!? And, I'm late to the party.

Thanks in advance.

(11-04-2021, 03:03 AM)Margan Wrote: I met with three old friends some weeks ago, we walked around town and later had a coffee before they went back to Munich. I already felt drained and was glad when they finally left.
Two days later I came down with cold symptoms, throat ache and a bit of coughing. Like the colds I had in earlier years but I did not have them for a while now.
The thing is... all three of them are fully vaccinated. I mean I made sure to keep my distance (although when we had the coffee we sat a bit closer) but still I wonder... could this have been a case of shedding?
Dr Mikovits says that the shedding should not be a problem and is actually helping the immune system. Still I feel it wierd that I came down with those symptoms after meeting them.

(11-04-2021, 01:20 PM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Regarding shedding, I want to share some tools that work well for me for protection around those who shed. Take what resonates and leave the rest.

1. A black crystal. I have a black crystal necklace that I wear when I know I'm going to be around those who shed for a significant period of time.

2. A black flame visualization. Imagine a black flame in your mind's eye, and the flame actively disconnecting your energy fields from those energies that will harm you through absorption rather than connection.

Black crystals and black flames are often tools for service-to-self adepts to disconnect from others so I don't recommend using it beyond setting boundaries and protecting yourself when necessary if you wish to polarize positive. Service-to-other individuals have a natural tendency to radiate and connect energetically to others, but this can be harmful to the self if one is picking up on more powerful negative energy than one is capable of transmuting.

I recommend this video if you wish to learn more about these techniques: https://youtu.be/3PKUhwrr_iI

Quote:By black crystals do you mean shungite or tourmaline?

(11-12-2021, 05:29 PM)zedro Wrote: Oh and according to LaPress (quebec  based newspaper/rag), the deer in Granby Zoo will get vaccinated, as well as the wild deer in Longueil (south of montreal). So now the deer may or may not be producing spike proteins? Of course there is zero science behind this, and I can't tell if this is just a money scam or something more nefarious (graphene?). So when do our pets get required to be vaccinated?

This is getting more out of control everyday, I'm curious to whom still supports this and thinks this is all rational and for the "greater good"....

(11-12-2021, 05:29 PM)zedro Wrote: ...This is getting more out of control everyday, I'm curious to whom still supports this and thinks this is all rational and for the "greater good"....

(11-13-2021, 09:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: Everything in 3D is always the same spiritual test. We are presented with catalysts, none of which has any importance in and of itself, and the test is how we react to all those catalysts. There is Love in the moment, will we see it? We are not here to fix anything, we are here to find out if we can manage to love this planet as it is, warts and all.

(11-13-2021, 09:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: Regarding vaccination, from the bottom of the rabbit hole it might seem impossible to find where the Love is in this. But from where I am standing it is obvious to me. First, I do not believe even one iota of all that is said against vaccination. I see it as a true healing modality. So of course that makes it very easy for me to see it very positively and with Love.

On the other hand, where I put my efforts at the moment is into seeing where the Love is in this whole anti-vaccination movement. I see some of it, like people wanting to protect others from what they believe is a grave threat, I can see the Love there. But I have a lot of work to do still in that regard.

(11-13-2021, 09:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: I guess that if everyone is really wishing to find Love in everything, no matter where we stand, we are all going to find each others and meet in the middle somehow.

(11-13-2021, 09:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: Everything in 3D is always the same spiritual test. We are presented with catalysts, none of which has any importance in and of itself, and the test is how we react to all those catalysts. There is Love in the moment, will we see it? We are not here to fix anything, we are here to find out if we can manage to love this planet as it is, warts and all.

Regarding vaccination, from the bottom of the rabbit hole it might seem impossible to find where the Love is in this. But from where I am standing it is obvious to me. First, I do not believe even one iota of all that is said against vaccination. I see it as a true healing modality. So of course that makes it very easy for me to see it very positively and with Love.

On the other hand, where I put my efforts at the moment is into seeing where the Love is in this whole anti-vaccination movement. I see some of it, like people wanting to protect others from what they believe is a grave threat, I can see the Love there. But I have a lot of work to do still in that regard.

I guess that if everyone is really wishing to find Love in everything, no matter where we stand, we are all going to find each others and meet in the middle somehow.

(11-14-2021, 07:54 AM)zedro Wrote: Not in it for an endless debate, I understand your stance as it reflects the common narrative that I can disseminate from TV and mainstream print.

(11-14-2021, 07:54 AM)zedro Wrote: I just get perplexed on how students of the LOO material can ignore the metaphysical realities of how viruses and vaccines could work and manifest (I.e. as required), and further ignore the consequences of societal actions that obviously contradict their 'chosen' polarity. I know you will disagree with the whole interpretation, so I'm not compelled to dig further.

(11-14-2021, 08:47 AM)zedro Wrote: Q1: Does anyone believe that not getting vaccinated poses a real threat to other people, and therefore is an infringement on other people's free will?

(11-14-2021, 08:47 AM)zedro Wrote: Q2: if yes to Q1, does one believe that those not vaccinated should in turn be controlled to mitigate the premise set in Q1?

(11-14-2021, 09:25 AM)Patrick Wrote: ...the anti-vaccination narrative is fear-based. My own personal stance is not.

(11-14-2021, 09:25 AM)Patrick Wrote: Where is Love in the moment? This is the question I ask of everything I encounter. So I am not ignoring anything from my point of view. It's just that nothing is just black or white in my world.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: So anyone who believes that the vaccine may harm them is acting out of fear, but those who believe that the vaccine is 'salvation' from harm is acting out of love?

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: How is this not a projection of one's own fears onto others who have the counter view for their own health?

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: This denies people their own inner guidance by assuming they are purely acting from outside (fear based) influence, it's interesting that you do not give the same logical path that you assign yourself.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: Again you assign yourself the benefit of seeing the Grey areas, and not others who disagree. How many people have to make the statement that the vax/virus is an individually based catalyst with varying individuated consequences, how is that not seeing the spectrum?

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: It's interesting that one can realize the source and implementation of a technology can be born from a desire to control, yet somehow not consider that energetic attachment doesn't work itself into the product itself. Because what I observe is the direct manifestation of that.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: And it seems unfathomable how you cannot discern where the Love is, because you default (ironically) to a black or white supposition: vaccination saves and so is love, not getting vaccinated harms and so is fear. Take away that narrative you subscribe to, and it becomes apparent that everyone is acting out of love for others and themselves, unless one believes in controlling others in either circumstance.

Quote:The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.

The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

(11-13-2021, 05:17 AM)zedro Wrote: Guess I'm confounded by how people can equate successfully navigating a "spiritual test" to [...] the path of least resistance, physically, mentally and emotionally.

Sometimes interpreting context is more important than interpreting facts.

(11-14-2021, 02:06 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: So anyone who believes that the vaccine may harm them is acting out of fear, but those who believe that the vaccine is 'salvation' from harm is acting out of love?

No, like I said the mainstream narrative is fear-based as well. That is how they justify the control measures, because they fear the virus and the unvaccinated.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: How is this not a projection of one's own fears onto others who have the counter view for their own health?

I do not share their fear of the virus or of the unvaccinated. As I do not share the fear of vaccination from the anti-vaccination movement.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: This denies people their own inner guidance by assuming they are purely acting from outside (fear based) influence, it's interesting that you do not give the same logical path that you assign yourself.

As everyone else, I have indeed my own views about anything and everything. I have my own judgement which I use only towards making my own personal decisions.

But what makes you believe this denies anyone else their own personal views? I do not impose my judgment calls onto others.

The majority of information shared in this thread against vaccination is fear-based as far as I can discern. I know some people are not getting vaccinated simply because they do not believe they need it or maybe because it is too strongly attached to big pharma and stuff like that. Their reasons for not getting vaccinated are not necessarily fear-based. I am making that comment about the information that is shared in this thread against vaccination (the narrative). That information is fear-based in my opinion.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: Again you assign yourself the benefit of seeing the Grey areas, and not others who disagree. How many people have to make the statement that the vax/virus is an individually based catalyst with varying individuated consequences, how is that not seeing the spectrum?

You asked the question: "I'm curious to whom still supports this and thinks this is all rational and for the "greater good"".

So I'm just opening a window into my thought processes in order to answer that question and in case anyone else is interested. It is also in order for readers to be aware that not everyone is against vaccination in these forums.

But while I do assign myself that benefit of having a wide point of view, why would you believe I am in any way denying the same of others?

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: It's interesting that one can realize the source and implementation of a technology can be born from a desire to control, yet somehow not consider that energetic attachment doesn't work itself into the product itself. Because what I observe is the direct manifestation of that.

Pardon me if I misunderstood your meaning here, but I do not believe vaccines are born from a desire to control.

(11-14-2021, 11:08 AM)zedro Wrote: And it seems unfathomable how you cannot discern where the Love is, because you default (ironically) to a black or white supposition: vaccination saves and so is love, not getting vaccinated harms and so is fear. Take away that narrative you subscribe to, and it becomes apparent that everyone is acting out of love for others and themselves, unless one believes in controlling others in either circumstance.

It seems you are trying to put words into my mouth. I do not believe that not getting vaccinated harms anyone in anyway whatsoever. If you have a headache and do not take Acetaminophen to alleviate it, why would that harm anyone else? I see vaccination in the same light. Not taking it is not going to harm anyone.

I am aware that Love is behind all of our actions. I do see that. Yet it does not mean I can see the whole path Love takes for everyone. For example, in the instance of someone being tortured to death, I might not be able to see what pathways Love is taking. Maybe the victim loves the torturer so much that he agreed to this before the incarnation just so the torturer could be able to feel the pleasure of torturing someone. Only Love is acting here, Love of self at the expense of others and love of others up to the ultimate sacrifice.

All I am saying is that all catalysts, big or small, are fabricated by the Universe in order to move us. What will be the motivations behind our movement? I did mention my belief that those sharing the information against vaccination are doing this out of Love for others and in order to protect others from what they believe is a grave threat.

We are all "misguided" to some extent, but that does not matter much. Our guidance is not guiding us directly toward Truth per se, it is only guiding us towards the roads we need to travel in order to learn what we came here to learn. So I am not worried one way or another. All is well. We are all going to end up within Truth whatever roads we traveled.

zedro Wrote:This is getting more out of control everyday, I'm curious to whom still supports this and thinks this is all rational and for the "greater good"....

Patrick Wrote:I do... but I no longer believe that I can reach this far down into the rabbit hole in order to have a real discussion on that subject. So I figured the only sensible thing to do is to wait about 3 years and see if the world of conspirations has moved to other more interesting pastures by then.