(08-07-2021, 05:23 PM)tadeus Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Relax Wrote: would you agree that everyone have access to a car without knowing how o drive?

would you agree that there are long knifes in a kitchen?

(08-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Relax Wrote: there are people who will make their decisions from what they read...

The sense of a forum is to exchange facts and points of view.

(08-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Relax Wrote: but perhaps this is simply that the pro vax info is lacking - so the threads are so UNBALANCED... I don't have the energy... and no one else posts much...

Simply switch on the television or radio or read any main stream press ...

Here are some posts with arguments why people have choosen to take the vaccine.

(08-07-2021, 03:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: Has anyone ever seen such a place here on Earth?  I think it would be too much to expect this community to be heaven on Earth.  I am even wondering if trying to become this, would not just bring us even further from it.

This community believes in light and love and in the LOO.
In this world it's a special view that is awaiting a new density moving towards love.

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

(08-07-2021, 08:31 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

But why does coherence have to be painted in such an extreme light? Submitting to another's opinions in order to be in agreement is no real coherence because you're not there. You're just occupying a place of non-existence.

Coherence is not established by everyone thinking the same way, but from people moving to occupy the same reality, otherwise we're all just talking across purposes and not truly interacting. This is done by defining our terms to ensure we are speaking the same language, extending a generosity of interpretation, because communication is imperfect, and just generally collaborating with others. That's what builds societies.

(08-07-2021, 09:32 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:31 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

But why does coherence have to be painted in such an extreme light? Submitting to another's opinions in order to be in agreement is no real coherence because you're not there. You're just occupying a place of non-existence.

Coherence is not established by everyone thinking the same way, but from people moving to occupy the same reality, otherwise we're all just talking across purposes and not truly interacting. This is done by defining our terms to ensure we are speaking the same language, extending a generosity of interpretation, because communication is imperfect, and just generally collaborating with others. That's what builds societies.

Coherent      
  1. adj. Sticking together; cohering.
  2.  adj. Marked by an orderly, logical, and aesthetically consistent relation of parts.
  3.  adj. Of, relating to, or having waves with similar direction, amplitude, and phase that are capable of exhibiting interference.

Definition 3 is that which is used in physics to describe laser light vs normal light.

I have no interest in being stuck to my fellow humans in a physical or intellectual sense, I have no interest in forming a logical and aesthetically consistent relation with my fellow humans, and I have no interest in moving in the same direction, amplitude or phase as my fellow humans.

I really don't care if you decide to occupy a different reality or talk across purposes. I will go do my thing with other people who are interested and you can do yours. I do not want or need to be accepted by everyone.

(08-07-2021, 06:10 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Many people come here and have not the slightest idea what Love actually is or what the Light actually is and many do not even know the true meaning of either of those two things even after spending a lot of time here.
Which world are you referring to? This forum or something else? Well, it is all the same no matter how you would view it.....Interior/exterior

(08-07-2021, 08:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: Pfizer/Biotech second shot hit people real bad around here. First shot was not so problematic. My aunt says all the old people who got two dosis of Sinovac where she is never had any side effects. Now that they want to give them Pfizer/Biontech as the third shot, they dont want it since it makes major side effects.

Seeing side effects of 2nd shot of Pfizer, im leaning towards Jannsen (Dutch subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson) or another non mRNA vaccine. If i could get Sinovac here, i would have done it.

(08-07-2021, 09:41 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 09:32 PM)Dtris Wrote: I really don't care if you decide to occupy a different reality or talk across purposes. I will go do my thing with other people who are interested and you can do yours. I do not want or need to be accepted by everyone.

Okie dokie Dtris, I was just describing what I saw as coherence as applied to human relating. It was not my intention to make it a personal matter about us or say that everyone should occupy the same reality, obviously.

(08-08-2021, 07:41 AM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 09:41 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 09:32 PM)Dtris Wrote: I really don't care if you decide to occupy a different reality or talk across purposes. I will go do my thing with other people who are interested and you can do yours. I do not want or need to be accepted by everyone.

Okie dokie Dtris, I was just describing what I saw as coherence as applied to human relating. It was not my intention to make it a personal matter about us or say that everyone should occupy the same reality, obviously.

Sorry if that came across as personal. I was also speaking in a general sense with my understanding of coherence in this context.

(08-08-2021, 04:23 AM)tadeus Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 06:10 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Many people come here and have not the slightest idea what Love actually is or what the Light actually is and many do not even know the true meaning of either of those two things even after spending a lot of time here.
Which world are you referring to? This forum or something else? Well, it is all the same no matter how you would view it.....Interior/exterior

Most of the informations about the vaccine here have nothing to do with light or love.
They are simple bare facts to think about and you can find them on many other places in the internet.

With the world is the fiction referred, where most of the people are still living within.
This is causing the confusion / distortion of the connection to earth and spiritual mind.
You can describe it is Interior / exterior.

(08-07-2021, 06:03 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: https://news.yahoo.com/dr-anthony-fauci-expect-flood-230903108.html

I just don't know why so many people are ok with this?  How can people not see that this is evil?

(08-07-2021, 07:12 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

Well that's it. So not asking people to change means accepting them as they are. If you don't want to change you're probably not going to ask others to change either.

You want to remain yourself and you accept that others will remain themselves.

So there is no point asking members to do anything different. No point asking LLR to banish the Covid subject and no point asking Relax to stop asking for change.

Instead we all work on accepting each others as we are and accepting this community as it is.

But that is just a thought. I am not asking anyone to change.

(08-09-2021, 02:07 AM)omcasey Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 07:12 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 06:01 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:42 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: What does it look like to the collective us though?
Go take a look.

I'll only see what I can see from my personal vantage point.

(08-07-2021, 04:30 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: If it can't be visualized singularly, how is there supposed to be coherent movement?
I fail to see how any of this matters.

The point is, I no longer believe there is supposed to be coherent movement. A 3d community, such as this one, cannot have a singular point of view. So it cannot be fully coherent.

If we can't move coherently, maybe we should not move at all.

In other words, maybe we should just stop asking this community or any of its members to change.

While we may be constructed from light/love, the thought of being coherent with my fellow humans is vomitous to me. I will be me and no one else. I will think what I think and everyone else be damned. I strive to be accepting and love all my fellow humans, but I will not accept becoming a clone who has to agree with everyone else. I would rather walk the other path or cease to exist at that point.

Well that's it. So not asking people to change means accepting them as they are. If you don't want to change you're probably not going to ask others to change either.

You want to remain yourself and you accept that others will remain themselves.

So there is no point asking members to do anything different. No point asking LLR to banish the Covid subject and no point asking Relax to stop asking for change.

Instead we all work on accepting each others as we are and accepting this community as it is.

But that is just a thought. I am not asking anyone to change.

Exceptional !!

And here would have a very fine example of a coherent wave. -- it is not the differentiations but the uniting ( sticking/staying ) together in unison of acceptance of difference(s) that sparks the coherent wave.

I am on board.
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(08-08-2021, 04:29 AM)tadeus Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: Pfizer/Biotech second shot hit people real bad around here. First shot was not so problematic. My aunt says all the old people who got two dosis of Sinovac where she is never had any side effects. Now that they want to give them Pfizer/Biontech as the third shot, they dont want it since it makes major side effects.

Seeing side effects of 2nd shot of Pfizer, im leaning towards Jannsen (Dutch subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson) or another non mRNA vaccine. If i could get Sinovac here, i would have done it.

There is a nice (new) lecture from Sucharit Bhakdi and he explains understandable why the second shot is much more fatal.
(Sorry - there seems to be no english version)

(08-11-2021, 11:19 PM)the Wrote: a lot of people saying their companies plan to 'mandate' c19 vaccine.

(08-12-2021, 02:28 PM)David_1 Wrote:    Since it is a crime to force an experimental drug on an employee, people who do not wish to take the shot should say, “No” if they are required to take the shot as a condition of keeping their job.  They should not resign their job, because if they are then fired, they have a legal right to sue.

(08-13-2021, 02:59 PM)Patrick Wrote: "Federal government to require vaccinations for all federal public servants, air and train passengers" ... "Vaccine requirements in the transportation sector will help protect the safety of employees, their families, passengers, their communities and all Canadians. And more broadly, it will hasten Canada's recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic"